Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Does that let you search all fonts for a particular character? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Klaus Daube fr...@daube.ch wrote: I use BabelMap where I can switch between Combined Font and Single Font. The required symbol (U+2611 BALLOT BOX WITH CHECK) can be found - for example - in Segoe UI Symbol. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks (1 pdf)
I already have utilities that let me page through 250 fonts to find a particular character. Search would save a lot of time. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Klaus Daube fr...@daube.ch wrote: On 19 Sep 2012 at 12:03, Robert Lauriston wrote: Does that (BabelMap) let you search all fonts for a particular character? You can find the grlyph with Composite font ON, then switch to Single font and select a font from the list to check whether this font shows the glyph and then select the next promising font... See the PDF with the respective screen shots. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 19/09/2012 7:02 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: For the record, there is *no//*/legally available,/**/non-Adobe /version of Myriad Pro. - Dov Thanks for clarifying, Dov. During my searches for an answer to the missing glyph that Windows was lying to me about, I came across sites such as Fontzone.net and cufonfonts.com that offer free versions of the font, and such as linotype that offer Myriad Pro but hide the fact that it's Adobe's in a nearly invisible line of grey type at the bottom of the page. I paid Adobe for my version, so I know for sure that's the one I'm using! Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 18/09/2012 11:14 AM, O'Laoghaire Micheal wrote: On the bright side ... I have had good experiences with Frame Online Chat Lucky you! I gave it a try. Sidharth didn't know the answer, but took my phone number and assured me that the Framemaker expert was on his way to the office and would phone me upon arrival. Shortly afterward, I got an e-mail from Sidharth, saying: I am glad that I have been able to resolve this issue for you and I have closed the case with your consent. And no, nobody phoned... sigh Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help with unicode and question marks
None of the Adobe fonts posted on fontzone.net or cufonfonts.com are legal! These web sites do not have licenses for the fonts and/or permission to post them for download. Thanks for the pointers which I will forward to Adobe Legal for follow-up! - Dov [cid:image001.png@01CD9722.1A68A400] Dov Isaacs Principal Scientist Adobe Systems Incorporated +1 408.536.2896 (tel) +1 408.242.5161 (cell) isa...@adobe.com 345 Park Avenue San Jose, CA 95110-2704 USA http://www.adobe.com Feel free to print this e-mail if your needs dictate hard copy. There is no need to feel guilty about printing! Paper is renewable and recyclable. From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:35 AM To: Dov Isaacs Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help with unicode and question marks On 19/09/2012 7:02 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: For the record, there is *no//*/legally available,/**/non-Adobe /version of Myriad Pro. - Dov Thanks for clarifying, Dov. During my searches for an answer to the missing glyph that Windows was lying to me about, I came across sites such as Fontzone.net and cufonfonts.com that offer free versions of the font, and such as linotype that offer Myriad Pro but hide the fact that it's Adobe's in a nearly invisible line of grey type at the bottom of the page. I paid Adobe for my version, so I know for sure that's the one I'm using! Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com inline: image001.png___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 18/09/2012 7:14 PM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN] wrote: So, that means that that check glyph IS missing from that font, right? Wei On 9/19/2012 3:31 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote: I just checked: When I type Alt+10003, Word inserts the character using MS Gothic, overriding the paragraph style (font: Calibri) with no warning or indication. That's correct, Wei, in Calibri and in Myriad Pro (the version sold by Adobe at least), the checkmark glyph at U+2713 does not exist. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Christoph Korsmeier wrote the Windows 7 character map is misleading as it seems to display replacement glyphs from other fonts, where the font you have selected has them missing. Yes this is a typical MS super-intelligent program pretending to know what I want... Hence I use BabelMap where I can switch between Combined Font and Single Font. Myriad (being a proper unicode font) simply doesn't have that checkmark glyph. You might want to try other fonts from your system, since if your charmap displays it, it should definitely be somewhere. The required symbol (U+2611 BALLOT BOX WITH CHECK) can be found - for example - in Segoe UI Symbol. HTH Klaus Daube ~ Docu + Design Daube; Schracher 11; CH-8053 Zrich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help with unicode and question marks
For the record, there is no legally available, non-Adobe version of Myriad Pro. - Dov [cid:image001.png@01CD9680.317BF540] Dov Isaacs Principal Scientist Adobe Systems Incorporated +1 408.536.2896 (tel) +1 408.242.5161 (cell) isa...@adobe.com 345 Park Avenue San Jose, CA 95110-2704 USA http://www.adobe.com Feel free to print this e-mail if your needs dictate hard copy. There is no need to feel guilty about printing! Paper is renewable and recyclable. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:04 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help with unicode and question marks On 18/09/2012 7:14 PM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN] wrote: So, that means that that check glyph IS missing from that font, right? Wei On 9/19/2012 3:31 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote: I just checked: When I type Alt+10003, Word inserts the character using MS Gothic, overriding the paragraph style (font: Calibri) with no warning or indication. That's correct, Wei, in Calibri and in Myriad Pro (the version sold by Adobe at least), the checkmark glyph at U+2713 does not exist. -- Stuart Rogers inline: image001.png___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 17/09/2012 6:24 PM, Alison Craig wrote: Stuart: I noodled around a bit on the net and Myriad Pro doesn't actually seem to be a Unicode font. So then I went to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_fonts#List_of_Unicode_fonts). Myriad Pro is not included on their list of Unicode fonts. That isn't necessarily definitive, but it certainly meshes with the behavior you're seeing. I also tried to add a checkmark to one of my own documents that uses Myriad Pro and I got precisely the behavior you described. So I'm thinking you need to use another font, at least for special characters (who knew a checkmark was special?) Alison Thanks for looking, Alison, but Myriad Pro is definitely Unicode -- it's an OpenType font (purchased from Adobe). Adobe says: The OpenType format offers outstanding benefits to users: cross-platform font file format, Unicode encoding, rich linguistic support with the capacity to support over 65,000 glyphs... And the checkmark glyph certainly exists in the font; it appears in the FM character and hex utilities, it works fine in Word, it appears in the Windows Charater Map in the Unicode subrange Symbols Dingbats. Seems the problem lies with FM; alas, I may have to take Robert's advice and call Adobe Support cringe. Best regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:32 PM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help with unicode and question marks FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document. The paragraph is formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font. No matter how I try to insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark. The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003. Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM. The Hex Input tool correctly displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box. But all I get is question marks in my document. What am I missing? thanks, -- Stuart Rogers -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Interesting. The Unicode character is 2610, Myriad Pro has that character, but it doesn't show up in FM10 for me either. Same version of Windows. I'd call Adobe support. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote: FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document. The paragraph is formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font. No matter how I try to insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark. The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003. Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM. The Hex Input tool correctly displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box. But all I get is question marks in my document. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Hello Alison and Stuart, Myriad Pro IS a Unicode font. The thing is, that specific character, and many other characters in the same group, are not included in this font. You can verify this in Character Map. So, Unicode is a way to encode the characters in a font, but that font may not include all characters. Even if in the so-called catch-all font Arial Unicode MS, some characters are missing! Kindest, Wei Jiang EnglishChinese Translator and Multilingual DTPer based in Beijing, China On 9/18/2012 6:24 AM, Alison Craig wrote: Stuart: I noodled around a bit on the net and Myriad Pro doesn't actually seem to be a Unicode font. So then I went to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_fonts#List_of_Unicode_fonts). Myriad Pro is not included on their list of Unicode fonts. That isn't necessarily definitive, but it certainly meshes with the behavior you're seeing. I also tried to add a checkmark to one of my own documents that uses Myriad Pro and I got precisely the behavior you described. So I'm thinking you need to use another font, at least for special characters (who knew a checkmark was special?) Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:32 PM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help with unicode and question marks FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document. The paragraph is formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font. No matter how I try to insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark. The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003. Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM. The Hex Input tool correctly displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box. But all I get is question marks in my document. What am I missing? thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jia...@polytrans.com.cn. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jiangw%40polytrans.com.cn Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Hi Stuart, the Windows 7 character map is misleading as it seems to display replacement glyphs from other fonts, where the font you have selected has them missing. We just switched from Windows XP a week ago, and now I'm annoyed I can't view what's actually inside a font anymore. Myriad (being a proper unicode font) simply doesn't have that checkmark glyph. You might want to try other fonts from your system, since if your charmap displays it, it should definitely be somewhere. i. A. Christoph Korsmeier Tel.-Durchwahl: 022 41 - 942 43 - 12 E-Mail: christoph.korsme...@werktext.eu werkText Technik und Kommunikation Industriestraße 39–41 53721 Siegburg Tel.: 022 41 - 942 43 - 0 Fax: 022 41 - 942 43 - 29 www.werktext.eu Original Message processed by David.fx12 Help with unicode and question marks (17-Sep-2012 23:33) From: Stuart Rogers To:Framers@lists.frameusers.com FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document. The paragraph is formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font. No matter how I try to insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark. The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003. Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM. The Hex Input tool correctly displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box. But all I get is question marks in my document. What am I missing? thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as christoph.korsme...@werktext.eu. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/christoph.korsmeier%40werktext.eu Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RESOLVED: Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 17/09/2012 8:01 PM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN] wrote: Hello Alison and Stuart, Myriad Pro IS a Unicode font. The thing is, that specific character, and many other characters in the same group, are not included in this font. You can verify this in Character Map. So, Unicode is a way to encode the characters in a font, but that font may not include all characters. Even if in the so-called catch-all font Arial Unicode MS, some characters are missing! Kindest, Wei Jiang EnglishChinese Translator and Multilingual DTPer based in Beijing, China Thanks Wei Jiang, But Christoph Korsmeier has the right answer. In Windows 7, I can verify in Character Map that Myriad Pro definitely has the glyph; it appears in a group of glyphs that is also peppered with boxed-X's indicating missing glyphs, leading one with certainty to the conclusion that Myriad Pro includes the checkmark. It's a lie. In Windows XP, the Character Map shows the truth: the entire part of the unicode range that Win7 claims to include that glyph (and a whole bunch of other dingbat-style glyphs) is nothing but boxed-X's. Evidently Win7 and Microsoft products like Word do a behind-the-scenes font substitution, which FM does not recognize. (According to forums, neither does Photoshop, so perhaps it's Adobe-wide.) I know how to work around this issue, but I've wasted a lot of time uncovering Microsoft's malfeasance; I'm extremely annoyed! Thanks to all, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help with unicode and question marks
So does that mean that Word is inserting it as an Arial Unicode character when it is pasted there? Craig Ede -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wei JIANG [PT-CN] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:01 PM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help with unicode and question marks Hello Alison and Stuart, Myriad Pro IS a Unicode font. The thing is, that specific character, and many other characters in the same group, are not included in this font. You can verify this in Character Map. So, Unicode is a way to encode the characters in a font, but that font may not include all characters. Even if in the so-called catch-all font Arial Unicode MS, some characters are missing! Kindest, Wei Jiang EnglishChinese Translator and Multilingual DTPer based in Beijing, China ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Myriad (being a proper unicode font) simply doesn't have that checkmark glyph. The Unicode character is 2610. Whether Myriad Pro really contains that character or not is an open question. Windows 7 character map is misleading as it seems to display replacement glyphs from other fonts Windows 7's Character Map doesn't always fill in missing characters from other fonts, there are lots of OpenType fonts where it shows U+2610 as missing, e.g. Verdana. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RESOLVED: Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Apparently neither FrameMaker's nor Windows' character map utility is reliable. I checked the Myriad Pro Regular character set with Typograf and U+2610 is not there. Adobe's Glyph Complement agrees: http://store1.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/MYRP/MyriadPro-Regular.pdf ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 18/09/2012 2:06 PM, Craig Ede wrote: So does that mean that Word is inserting it as an Arial Unicode character when it is pasted there? I just checked: When I type Alt+10003, Word inserts the character using MS Gothic, overriding the paragraph style (font: Calibri) with no warning or indication. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: RESOLVED: Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 18/09/2012 3:02 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Apparently neither FrameMaker's nor Windows' character map utility is reliable. I checked the Myriad Pro Regular character set with Typograf and U+2610 is not there. Adobe's Glyph Complement agrees: http://store1.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/MYRP/MyriadPro-Regular.pdf ___ It's actually U+2713, a checkmark, that I was after, but the situation is the same with U+2610, a check box. s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On my PC, when I paste Myriad Pro U+2610 into Word 2010, Word changes the font to MS Gothic. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: So does that mean that Word is inserting it as an Arial Unicode character when it is pasted there? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help with unicode and question marks
Myriad Pro font does not contain the checkmark glyph. Viewing the entire glyph set can be done here: http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/singles/linotype/myriad_pro_regular/?fg=00bg=ffsample_size=36sample_text=ft=ligaacs_pt=32 Instead of Window's character map utility, might consider BabelPad for viewing/searching glyphs and fonts as it offers more features/friendlier too. When viewing Myriad Pro, it does not show support for the checkmark glyph that Windows does. Another method is viewing the Glyphs palette in InDesign. It would be interesting to know why Window's character map indicates otherwise... -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help with unicode and question marks Myriad (being a proper unicode font) simply doesn't have that checkmark glyph. The Unicode character is 2610. Whether Myriad Pro really contains that character or not is an open question. Windows 7 character map is misleading as it seems to display replacement glyphs from other fonts Windows 7's Character Map doesn't always fill in missing characters from other fonts, there are lots of OpenType fonts where it shows U+2610 as missing, e.g. Verdana. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as cs...@sajan.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/csnow%40sajan.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help with unicode and question marks
So, that means that that check glyph IS missing from that font, right? Wei On 9/19/2012 3:31 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote: On 18/09/2012 2:06 PM, Craig Ede wrote: So does that mean that Word is inserting it as an Arial Unicode character when it is pasted there? I just checked: When I type Alt+10003, Word inserts the character using MS Gothic, overriding the paragraph style (font: Calibri) with no warning or indication. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RESOLVED: Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 17/09/2012 8:01 PM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN] wrote: > Hello Alison and Stuart, > > Myriad Pro IS a Unicode font. The thing is, that specific character, and > many other characters in the same group, are not included in this font. > You can verify this in Character Map. > > So, Unicode is a way to encode the characters in a font, but that font > may not include all characters. Even if in the so-called "catch-all" font > Arial Unicode MS, some characters are missing! > > Kindest, > Wei Jiang > English<>Chinese Translator and Multilingual DTPer based in Beijing, China Thanks Wei Jiang, But Christoph Korsmeier has the right answer. In Windows 7, I can "verify" in Character Map that Myriad Pro definitely has the glyph; it appears in a group of glyphs that is also peppered with boxed-X's indicating missing glyphs, leading one with "certainty" to the conclusion that Myriad Pro includes the checkmark. It's a lie. In Windows XP, the Character Map shows the truth: the entire part of the unicode range that Win7 claims to include that glyph (and a whole bunch of other dingbat-style glyphs) is nothing but boxed-X's. Evidently Win7 and Microsoft products like Word do a behind-the-scenes font substitution, which FM does not recognize. (According to forums, neither does Photoshop, so perhaps it's Adobe-wide.) I know how to work around this issue, but I've wasted a lot of time uncovering Microsoft's malfeasance; I'm extremely annoyed! Thanks to all, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
RESOLVED: Re: Help with unicode and question marks
Apparently neither FrameMaker's nor Windows' character map utility is reliable. I checked the Myriad Pro Regular character set with Typograf and U+2610 is not there. Adobe's Glyph Complement agrees: http://store1.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/MYRP/MyriadPro-Regular.pdf
RESOLVED: Re: Help with unicode and question marks
On 18/09/2012 3:02 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Apparently neither FrameMaker's nor Windows' character map utility is > reliable. I checked the Myriad Pro Regular character set with Typograf > and U+2610 is not there. Adobe's Glyph Complement agrees: > > http://store1.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/MYRP/MyriadPro-Regular.pdf > ___ It's actually U+2713, a checkmark, that I was after, but the situation is the same with U+2610, a check box. s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
RE: Help with unicode and question marks
Stuart: I noodled around a bit on the net and Myriad Pro doesn't actually seem to be a Unicode font. So then I went to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_fonts#List_of_Unicode_fonts). Myriad Pro is not included on their list of Unicode fonts. That isn't necessarily definitive, but it certainly meshes with the behavior you're seeing. I also tried to add a checkmark to one of my own documents that uses Myriad Pro and I got precisely the behavior you described. So I'm thinking you need to use another font, at least for special characters (who knew a checkmark was special?) Alison Alison Craig Technical Documentation Lead 604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:32 PM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help with unicode and question marks FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document. The paragraph is formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font. No matter how I try to insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark. The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003. Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM. The Hex Input tool correctly displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box. But all I get is question marks in my document. What am I missing? thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
