RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Hi Darren, I'm not sure if you've fixed your problem yet - I think I may not have received all the posts, but, if you're working on an APL (and not an IX), then all you need to do is add a space AND a period to your IgnoreCharsAPL paragraph on the APL Reference page. Once gotcha is that the space cannot go at the end of the paragraph. I put "space" & "." at the start, and it sorted in the way you wanted. Regards Rob Evans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Sent: 03 November 2008 17:15 To: Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods Fred Ridder insisted: >> I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention.<< *whap-to-da-forehead* I failed to realized that the customer is not generating a true index (IX) but an alpha list of paragraphs. That resulting list is named "index" within the document. You'd think the *.APL file extension would have given me a clue.. ;^) Their template has both IX and APL entries in the ref page. It's too late in the workflow to go back and add index markers in the doc; so I guess they're stuck with hand-fixing the APL? 'Thanx Fred, I couldn't see the forest for the trees. 'Thanx also to Peter Gold. That was the right answer, I was asking the wrong question. 'Thanx to "RickScript" Quatro. Where would I be without duct tape, the kjv and FrameScript. '3 style points to Shmuel Wolfson for originality. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:47 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods Darrenn Butler wrote: > If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, > does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a > total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large > indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and > eye-straining. I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention. But assuming that the intent is that *every* index entry ends in a period, I would include it in the index specifications on the IX reference page of the index file rather than including it in each and every index entry marker, since a missing period in a marker (which can happen quite easily) would result in a second, unpunctuated entry in the compiled index. Just go to the IX reference page and find the SeparatorsIX paragraph. Add a period (or whetever other character you want to use as an entry terminator) at the very start of the paragraph, before the separator space. Then regenerate the index. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert.evans%40arc.c om Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Fred Ridder insisted: >> I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention.<< *whap-to-da-forehead* I failed to realized that the customer is not generating a true index (IX) but an alpha list of paragraphs. That resulting list is named "index" within the document. You'd think the *.APL file extension would have given me a clue.. ;^) Their template has both IX and APL entries in the ref page. It's too late in the workflow to go back and add index markers in the doc; so I guess they're stuck with hand-fixing the APL? 'Thanx Fred, I couldn't see the forest for the trees. 'Thanx also to Peter Gold. That was the right answer, I was asking the wrong question. 'Thanx to "RickScript" Quatro. Where would I be without duct tape, the kjv and FrameScript. '3 style points to Shmuel Wolfson for originality. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:47 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods Darrenn Butler wrote: > If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, > does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a > total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large > indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and > eye-straining. I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention. But assuming that the intent is that *every* index entry ends in a period, I would include it in the index specifications on the IX reference page of the index file rather than including it in each and every index entry marker, since a missing period in a marker (which can happen quite easily) would result in a second, unpunctuated entry in the compiled index. Just go to the IX reference page and find the SeparatorsIX paragraph. Add a period (or whetever other character you want to use as an entry terminator) at the very start of the paragraph, before the separator space. Then regenerate the index. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Darrenn Butler wrote: > If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, > does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a > total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large > indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and > eye-straining. I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention. But assuming that the intent is that *every* index entry ends in a period, I would include it in the index specifications on the IX reference page of the index file rather than including it in each and every index entry marker, since a missing period in a marker (which can happen quite easily) would result in a second, unpunctuated entry in the compiled index. Just go to the IX reference page and find the SeparatorsIX paragraph. Add a period (or whetever other character you want to use as an entry terminator) at the very start of the paragraph, before the separator space. Then regenerate the index. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Why don't you just replace the period with a tiny graphic that looks like a period. You could put it on your reference page. Not the cleanest solution, but it's original :) -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Darren, > > Instead of a list of paragraphs, you could use FrameScript to insert a > custom marker in each of these paragraphs. The custom marker would have the > paragraph's text, but it would have the sort string in square brackets > without the period. The script could be run on the entire book, making it > virtually automatic; or it could run automatically whenever you update the > book and generate the index. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > >> Fred Ridder wrote: The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. >> Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an >> entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other >> punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another >> matter...<< >> >> >> If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, >> does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a >> total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large >> indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and >> eye-straining. >> >> Thanx, >> DJ > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Hi Darren, Instead of a list of paragraphs, you could use FrameScript to insert a custom marker in each of these paragraphs. The custom marker would have the paragraph's text, but it would have the sort string in square brackets without the period. The script could be run on the entire book, making it virtually automatic; or it could run automatically whenever you update the book and generate the index. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Fred Ridder wrote: >>>The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. > Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an > entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other > punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another > matter...<< > > > If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, > does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a > total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large > indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and > eye-straining. > > Thanx, > DJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Hi, Darren: Have you tried specifying the sort order with square brackets in each index marker? For example: Heidi Chronicles.[Heidi Chronicles] Heidi.[Heidi] etc. Markerworker is a free marker editing tool from cudspan. Search Google for: markerworker cudspan HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred Ridder wrote: >>>The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. > Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an > entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other > punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another > matter...<< > > > If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, > does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a > total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large > indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and > eye-straining. > > Thanx, > DJ > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:33 PM > To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC > Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods > > The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. > Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an > entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other > punctuation character). > > The best fix for your situation is another matter... > > > >> Subject: Sorting: Ignoring periods >> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:43:32 -0400 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com >> >> Hello fellow FrameManiacs, >> >> >> >> In an index of paragraph titles; >> >> >> >> I WANT: >> >> Heidi. >> >> Heidi Chronicles. >> >> Heidi Fleiss. >> >> Heidi Ho. >> >> Heidi Klum. >> >> >> >> I GET: >> >> Heidi Chronicles. >> >> Heidi Fleiss. >> >> Heidi Ho. >> >> Heidi Klum. >> >> Heidi. >> >> >> >> Do I need to monkey with the SortOrder of the IgnoreChars? >> >> >> >> TIA, >> >> DJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Fred Ridder wrote: >>The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another matter...<< If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and eye-straining. Thanx, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:33 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another matter... > Subject: Sorting: Ignoring periods > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:43:32 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Hello fellow FrameManiacs, > > > > In an index of paragraph titles; > > > > I WANT: > > Heidi. > > Heidi Chronicles. > > Heidi Fleiss. > > Heidi Ho. > > Heidi Klum. > > > > I GET: > > Heidi Chronicles. > > Heidi Fleiss. > > Heidi Ho. > > Heidi Klum. > > Heidi. > > > > Do I need to monkey with the SortOrder of the IgnoreChars? > > > > TIA, > > DJ > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.co m > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
