Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables
Hi Jeff - and anyone who is interested in this. I've posted a request: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-10103 Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: May 28, 2021 10:27 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables Hi Alison, Use the Tracker - ( <https://tracker.adobe.com/> https://tracker.adobe.com/) - to get suggestions on Adobe's radar. Post back & others can join in to vote up your suggestion. Jeff From: Framers < <mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of A Craig < <mailto:acr...@shaw.ca> acr...@shaw.ca> Sent: May 28, 2021 1:16 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables Thanks Lynne and Peter. I'll probably go with a non-printing colour, but Adobe, if you're listening, this would be a great addition to the next revision of Frame! ;- Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [ <mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com> mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynne A. Price Sent: May 27, 2021 5:44 PM To: <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables Alison, You can use Peter's approach. To apply a character format in the definition of a variable, put the character tag in angle brackets before the text; to go back to the previous character format use or . The Add/Edit Variable dialog includes a list of backet-enclosed character formats and so you don't have to type them. If you don't want to bother defining a new color, you can maintain two files, each with a single entry in the character catalog, called something like VariableFormat. In one define VariableFormat to have the properties you want, in the other define VariableFormat to be AsIs for all properties; in the other define VariableFormat to have the properties you want while editing. Include in the definition of every variable. To switch between the two views, import formats, selecting only character formats, from the appropriate file. By the way, to define a character format that doesn't change any properties, in the Character Designer, type Shift-F8. You could also use conditional text and apply a Variable condition to all variables with a global Find/Change. As needed, you can either change the condition indicator for the Variable condition, or show or hide condition indicators. The special color is the only one of these methods that doesn't require you to make an appropriate setting before printing. --Lynne On 5/27/2021 5:01 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > I can't remember if variables can be defined with a character format. > If so, define a format with a color that you define as a non-printing > color in a color-definition set. If not, use Find to apply a format > with a non-printing color to the variables. > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:52 PM A Craig< <mailto:acr...@shaw.ca> acr...@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> FrameMaker 2020 >> Win 10, 64 bit >> Unstructured >> >> Word has the option to "Show Bookmarks" so they're always highlighted >> within the text (but of course they don't print). >> >> Does Frame have anything similar for variables? >> >> It would be great if I could look at a page of Frame text and >> immediately see which items were inserted as variables. >> >> Alison -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training <mailto:lpr...@txstruct.com> lpr...@txstruct.com <http://www.txstruct.com> http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at <http://www.frameusers.com> http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at <http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at <http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to <mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> listad...@frameusers.com __
Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables
You're welcome, Alison. Thanks, Lynne, for confirming after all these years away from actual hands-on FM, my memory still works, and so does FM. :) Alison, Adobe listens to requests, just not here. I'm sure someone on the list can provide the link to the enhancement portal. OTOH, perhaps someone could provide a script for this task. Hint. :) On Fri, May 28, 2021, 12:16 PM A Craig wrote: > Thanks Lynne and Peter. > > I'll probably go with a non-printing colour, but Adobe, if you're > listening, this would be a great addition to the next revision of Frame! > ;- > > Alison > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Lynne A. Price > Sent: May 27, 2021 5:44 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables > > Alison, > > You can use Peter's approach. To apply a character format in the > definition of a variable, put the character tag in angle brackets before > the text; to go back to the previous character format use Font> or . The Add/Edit Variable dialog includes a list of > backet-enclosed character formats and so you don't have > to type them. > > If you don't want to bother defining a new color, you can maintain two > files, each with a single entry in the character catalog, called something > like VariableFormat. In one define VariableFormat to have the properties > you want, in the other define VariableFormat to be AsIs for all properties; > in the other define VariableFormat to have the properties you want while > editing. Include in the definition of every variable. To > switch between the two views, import formats, selecting only character > formats, from the appropriate file. By the way, to define a character > format that doesn't change any properties, in the Character Designer, type > Shift-F8. > >You could also use conditional text and apply a Variable condition to > all variables with a global Find/Change. As needed, you can either change > the condition indicator for the Variable condition, or show or hide > condition indicators. > > The special color is the only one of these methods that doesn't > require you to make an appropriate setting before printing. > > --Lynne > > On 5/27/2021 5:01 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > > I can't remember if variables can be defined with a character format. > > If so, define a format with a color that you define as a non-printing > > color in a color-definition set. If not, use Find to apply a format > > with a non-printing color to the variables. > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:52 PM A Craig wrote: > > > >> FrameMaker 2020 > >> Win 10, 64 bit > >> Unstructured > >> > >> Word has the option to "Show Bookmarks" so they're always highlighted > >> within the text (but of course they don't print). > >> > >> Does Frame have anything similar for variables? > >> > >> It would be great if I could look at a page of Frame text and > >> immediately see which items were inserted as variables. > >> > >> Alison > > -- > Lynne A. Price > Text Structure Consulting, Inc. > Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, > and training > lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com > voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables
Hi Alison, Use the Tracker - (https://tracker.adobe.com/) - to get suggestions on Adobe's radar. Post back & others can join in to vote up your suggestion. Jeff From: Framers on behalf of A Craig Sent: May 28, 2021 1:16 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables Thanks Lynne and Peter. I'll probably go with a non-printing colour, but Adobe, if you're listening, this would be a great addition to the next revision of Frame! ;- Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynne A. Price Sent: May 27, 2021 5:44 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables Alison, You can use Peter's approach. To apply a character format in the definition of a variable, put the character tag in angle brackets before the text; to go back to the previous character format use or . The Add/Edit Variable dialog includes a list of backet-enclosed character formats and so you don't have to type them. If you don't want to bother defining a new color, you can maintain two files, each with a single entry in the character catalog, called something like VariableFormat. In one define VariableFormat to have the properties you want, in the other define VariableFormat to be AsIs for all properties; in the other define VariableFormat to have the properties you want while editing. Include in the definition of every variable. To switch between the two views, import formats, selecting only character formats, from the appropriate file. By the way, to define a character format that doesn't change any properties, in the Character Designer, type Shift-F8. You could also use conditional text and apply a Variable condition to all variables with a global Find/Change. As needed, you can either change the condition indicator for the Variable condition, or show or hide condition indicators. The special color is the only one of these methods that doesn't require you to make an appropriate setting before printing. --Lynne On 5/27/2021 5:01 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > I can't remember if variables can be defined with a character format. > If so, define a format with a color that you define as a non-printing > color in a color-definition set. If not, use Find to apply a format > with a non-printing color to the variables. > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:52 PM A Craig wrote: > >> FrameMaker 2020 >> Win 10, 64 bit >> Unstructured >> >> Word has the option to "Show Bookmarks" so they're always highlighted >> within the text (but of course they don't print). >> >> Does Frame have anything similar for variables? >> >> It would be great if I could look at a page of Frame text and >> immediately see which items were inserted as variables. >> >> Alison -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables
Thanks Lynne and Peter. I'll probably go with a non-printing colour, but Adobe, if you're listening, this would be a great addition to the next revision of Frame! ;- Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynne A. Price Sent: May 27, 2021 5:44 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables Alison, You can use Peter's approach. To apply a character format in the definition of a variable, put the character tag in angle brackets before the text; to go back to the previous character format use or . The Add/Edit Variable dialog includes a list of backet-enclosed character formats and so you don't have to type them. If you don't want to bother defining a new color, you can maintain two files, each with a single entry in the character catalog, called something like VariableFormat. In one define VariableFormat to have the properties you want, in the other define VariableFormat to be AsIs for all properties; in the other define VariableFormat to have the properties you want while editing. Include in the definition of every variable. To switch between the two views, import formats, selecting only character formats, from the appropriate file. By the way, to define a character format that doesn't change any properties, in the Character Designer, type Shift-F8. You could also use conditional text and apply a Variable condition to all variables with a global Find/Change. As needed, you can either change the condition indicator for the Variable condition, or show or hide condition indicators. The special color is the only one of these methods that doesn't require you to make an appropriate setting before printing. --Lynne On 5/27/2021 5:01 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > I can't remember if variables can be defined with a character format. > If so, define a format with a color that you define as a non-printing > color in a color-definition set. If not, use Find to apply a format > with a non-printing color to the variables. > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:52 PM A Craig wrote: > >> FrameMaker 2020 >> Win 10, 64 bit >> Unstructured >> >> Word has the option to "Show Bookmarks" so they're always highlighted >> within the text (but of course they don't print). >> >> Does Frame have anything similar for variables? >> >> It would be great if I could look at a page of Frame text and >> immediately see which items were inserted as variables. >> >> Alison -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables
Alison, You can use Peter's approach. To apply a character format in the definition of a variable, put the character tag in angle brackets before the text; to go back to the previous character format use Font> or . The Add/Edit Variable dialog includes a list of backet-enclosed character formats and so you don't have to type them. If you don't want to bother defining a new color, you can maintain two files, each with a single entry in the character catalog, called something like VariableFormat. In one define VariableFormat to have the properties you want, in the other define VariableFormat to be AsIs for all properties; in the other define VariableFormat to have the properties you want while editing. Include in the definition of every variable. To switch between the two views, import formats, selecting only character formats, from the appropriate file. By the way, to define a character format that doesn't change any properties, in the Character Designer, type Shift-F8. You could also use conditional text and apply a Variable condition to all variables with a global Find/Change. As needed, you can either change the condition indicator for the Variable condition, or show or hide condition indicators. The special color is the only one of these methods that doesn't require you to make an appropriate setting before printing. --Lynne On 5/27/2021 5:01 PM, Peter Gold wrote: I can't remember if variables can be defined with a character format. If so, define a format with a color that you define as a non-printing color in a color-definition set. If not, use Find to apply a format with a non-printing color to the variables. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:52 PM A Craig wrote: FrameMaker 2020 Win 10, 64 bit Unstructured Word has the option to "Show Bookmarks" so they're always highlighted within the text (but of course they don't print). Does Frame have anything similar for variables? It would be great if I could look at a page of Frame text and immediately see which items were inserted as variables. Alison -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] "Visible" Variables
I can't remember if variables can be defined with a character format. If so, define a format with a color that you define as a non-printing color in a color-definition set. If not, use Find to apply a format with a non-printing color to the variables. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:52 PM A Craig wrote: > FrameMaker 2020 > Win 10, 64 bit > Unstructured > > Word has the option to "Show Bookmarks" so they're always highlighted > within > the text (but of course they don't print). > > Does Frame have anything similar for variables? > > It would be great if I could look at a page of Frame text and immediately > see which items were inserted as variables. > > Alison > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
