Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Caroline Tabach]

The template file I use for all the chapter in a book has a number of master 
pages, not just left and right  (as John says), you can have a number and call 
them different names.
Then you decide which Master page you want to use for a specific chapter, or 
even page
We have one for the front page and one for left and right
But If I have a long title, then we have a different master page
Then a stand alone doc, that is not part of a chaptered book, may be set up 
slightly differently, but they are all part of the same Template file that we 
apply to all of the chapters in a book 


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

And a cover page, and a TOC page,and a Front Matter page, and a horizontal 
layout page if you are inclined

Can't you have a mater page for each of the side tabs, then have FM select the 
MP automatically based on a paragraph style you can apply to the section?

I haven't been following this thread much, so if what I'm saying doesn't make 
sense, I'm getting used to it.

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From:   "Harding, Dan" <dhard...@illinois.edu>
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Date:   08/11/2016 10:31 AM
Subject:Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
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Then I'm missing something in the discussion: I'm not creating additional 
master page sets. By default, a FM file has a "Left" and a "Right" master 
page... which I am using. I'm simply copying the relevant background object 
group from the side tab master FM file and pasting it onto the "Right"
master page for that chapter FM file. I'm not changing anything else.

The side tab master file is where I set sizing and positioning for all of the 
tab groups relevant to one another, and then simply utilize as needed 
throughout the "real" chapter files... For the chapter 1 FM file, the tab 1 
group of objects for the side tab get copied, for the chapter 2 FM file, the 
tab 2 group, etc. Since copy and paste work on exact position, it's a very 
simple process.

I'm hard pressed to understand how not putting the tab objects on the master 
pages would make this process easier.

-Dan

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From: john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com [mailto:john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:10 AM
To: Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu>
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Framers 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

No, but it makes your life easier.  Even if you have 10 or more different 
master pages, wouldn't it be easier to have on MP and just define which page to 
use?

The only time I could picture multiple MP sets is one for each client or 
document type (Release note vs instructions_

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From:"Harding, Dan" <dhard...@illinois.edu>
To:  "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Date:08/11/2016 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
Sent by: "Framers"   



"That seems wrong to me. Master pages shou

Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Steve Rickaby]

In this interesting discussion about master page strategies, it's worth 
remembering that FrameMaker gives you the tools to apply master pages 
automatically in both a structured and unstructured environments: the 
UnstructMasterPageMaps and StructMasterPageMaps tables on the reference pages.

These only appear (FrameMaker creates them for you) when you use the Apply 
Master Pages... command. They allow you to trigger the application of specific 
master page based on named paragraph tags on the respective body pages. To 
those of you who know this, it's old hat, but I'm posting this for anyone who's 
not aware of this feature. It can save a load of time and increase layout 
security.

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Robert Lauriston]

My view is that all importable elements should be defined in an
external .fm file that serves as a template for all files in a book.
Then you can use Apply Master Pages to clean things up after
reorganizing.

Manually tying formats to the current sequence of .fm files in a .book
incurs significant technological debt.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu> wrote:
> "That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to 
> chapter."
>
> Since when? As long as the page dimensions and main text flow frames are 
> identical, master page ancillary content can most certainly vary by chapter. 
> You are not limited to using a single master page set for an entire book.
>
> -Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
> Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:02 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
>
> That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to chapter.
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu> wrote:
>> Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years, but a 
>> simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.
>>
>> I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of the 
>> thumb tabs on it for the entire book (or more than one recto page if there 
>> are multiple sequences of tabs), properly spaced with graphics and text 
>> grouped, and then simply select and copy and paste the relevant group onto 
>> the master page of each chapter.
>>
>> One copy & paste action per chapter. Works like a charm.
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:39 -0500 11/8/16, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>On 8/10/2016 11:37 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>>I would suggest you use thumbs tabs on every page, and move them down
>>the page as the chapters increment. This makes them easier to use. I
>>can tell you how to do this (automatically, unstructured) if you
>>decide to go down this route.
>
>
>I would be interested to know how to do this.

Sending you an article off-line.

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Theresa de Valence]

On 8/10/2016 11:37 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

I would suggest you use thumbs tabs on every page, and move them down
the page as the chapters increment. This makes them easier to use. I
can tell you how to do this (automatically, unstructured) if you
decide to go down this route.



I would be interested to know how to do this.

Thanks,
Theresa de Valence

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[john . x . posada]

And a cover page, and a TOC page,and a Front Matter page, and a horizontal
layout page if you are inclined

Can't you have a mater page for each of the side tabs, then have FM select
the MP automatically based on a paragraph style you can apply to the
section?

I haven't been following this thread much, so if what I'm saying doesn't
make sense, I'm getting used to it.

John X Posada
AVP | Global Risk Analytics | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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From:   "Harding, Dan" <dhard...@illinois.edu>
To:
Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Date:   08/11/2016 10:31 AM
Subject:Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
Sent by:"Framers"   



Then I'm missing something in the discussion: I'm not creating additional
master page sets. By default, a FM file has a "Left" and a "Right" master
page... which I am using. I'm simply copying the relevant background object
group from the side tab master FM file and pasting it onto the "Right"
master page for that chapter FM file. I'm not changing anything else.

The side tab master file is where I set sizing and positioning for all of
the tab groups relevant to one another, and then simply utilize as needed
throughout the "real" chapter files... For the chapter 1 FM file, the tab 1
group of objects for the side tab get copied, for the chapter 2 FM file,
the tab 2 group, etc. Since copy and paste work on exact position, it's a
very simple process.

I'm hard pressed to understand how not putting the tab objects on the
master pages would make this process easier.

-Dan

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From: john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com [mailto:john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:10 AM
To: Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu>
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Framers 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

No, but it makes your life easier.  Even if you have 10 or more different
master pages, wouldn't it be easier to have on MP and just define which
page to use?

The only time I could picture multiple MP sets is one for each client or
document type (Release note vs instructions_

John X Posada
AVP | Global Risk Analytics | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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From:"Harding, Dan" <dhard...@illinois.edu>
To:  "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Date:08/11/2016 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
Sent by: "Framers"   



"That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to
chapter."

Since when? As long as the page dimensions and main text flow frames are
identical, master page ancillary content can most certainly vary by
chapter. You are not limited to using a single master page set for an
entire book.

-Dan

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces
+dharding=illinois....@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert
+Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to
chapter.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu>
wrote:
> Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years,
> but a
simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.
>
> I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of
> the
thumb tabs on it for the entire book (or more than

Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Harding, Dan]

Then I'm missing something in the discussion: I'm not creating additional 
master page sets. By default, a FM file has a "Left" and a "Right" master 
page... which I am using. I'm simply copying the relevant background object 
group from the side tab master FM file and pasting it onto the "Right" master 
page for that chapter FM file. I'm not changing anything else.

The side tab master file is where I set sizing and positioning for all of the 
tab groups relevant to one another, and then simply utilize as needed 
throughout the "real" chapter files... For the chapter 1 FM file, the tab 1 
group of objects for the side tab get copied, for the chapter 2 FM file, the 
tab 2 group, etc. Since copy and paste work on exact position, it's a very 
simple process. 

I'm hard pressed to understand how not putting the tab objects on the master 
pages would make this process easier.

-Dan

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:10 AM
To: Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu>
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Framers 
<framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc....@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

No, but it makes your life easier.  Even if you have 10 or more different 
master pages, wouldn't it be easier to have on MP and just define which page to 
use?

The only time I could picture multiple MP sets is one for each client or 
document type (Release note vs instructions_

John X Posada
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330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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From:   "Harding, Dan" <dhard...@illinois.edu>
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Date:   08/11/2016 10:04 AM
Subject:Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
Sent by:"Framers"   



"That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to chapter."

Since when? As long as the page dimensions and main text flow frames are 
identical, master page ancillary content can most certainly vary by chapter. 
You are not limited to using a single master page set for an entire book.

-Dan

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces
+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
+Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to chapter.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu>
wrote:
> Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years, 
> but a
simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.
>
> I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of 
> the
thumb tabs on it for the entire book (or more than one recto page if there are 
multiple sequences of tabs), properly spaced with graphics and text grouped, 
and then simply select and copy and paste the relevant group onto the master 
page of each chapter.
>
> One copy & paste action per chapter. Works like a charm.
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[john . x . posada]

No, but it makes your life easier.  Even if you have 10 or more different
master pages, wouldn't it be easier to have on MP and just define which
page to use?

The only time I could picture multiple MP sets is one for each client or
document type (Release note vs instructions_

John X Posada
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From:   "Harding, Dan" <dhard...@illinois.edu>
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Date:   08/11/2016 10:04 AM
Subject:Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs
Sent by:"Framers"   



"That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to
chapter."

Since when? As long as the page dimensions and main text flow frames are
identical, master page ancillary content can most certainly vary by
chapter. You are not limited to using a single master page set for an
entire book.

-Dan

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From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces
+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to
chapter.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu>
wrote:
> Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years, but a
simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.
>
> I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of the
thumb tabs on it for the entire book (or more than one recto page if there
are multiple sequences of tabs), properly spaced with graphics and text
grouped, and then simply select and copy and paste the relevant group onto
the master page of each chapter.
>
> One copy & paste action per chapter. Works like a charm.
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[Harding, Dan]

"That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to chapter."

Since when? As long as the page dimensions and main text flow frames are 
identical, master page ancillary content can most certainly vary by chapter. 
You are not limited to using a single master page set for an entire book.

-Dan

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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+dharding=illinois@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to chapter.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Harding, Dan <dhard...@illinois.edu> wrote:
> Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years, but a 
> simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.
>
> I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of the 
> thumb tabs on it for the entire book (or more than one recto page if there 
> are multiple sequences of tabs), properly spaced with graphics and text 
> grouped, and then simply select and copy and paste the relevant group onto 
> the master page of each chapter.
>
> One copy & paste action per chapter. Works like a charm.
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Scott Turner]

Yes it can be done, and it is effective for printed materials. I did this for 
documents back around Frame 5 onward. I used conditional text to set the 
chapter bleed tabs. That was back when the company k was with produces a 
printed manual as a product.

> On Aug 10, 2016, at 09:53, Denis Daly  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 'Thumb 
> Tabs' (correct name?).
> 
> These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to aid the 
> user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
> 
> Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?
> 
> I use FM12, Windows 10.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Pat Christenson]

I managed to get the tab to move down the edge in each chapter. I think 
conditional text might have been involved. Anyway, I know it can be done.

Pat

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:52 PM
To: Jay Mahler <j...@mahler.com>
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

I've got a (very old) Frame file that I acquired when FM 5.5.6 was still the 
latest version. It claims to be able to automate the creation of bleed tabs. 
I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works, but I have the file 
(with requisite master pages) and the font it required, if anyone wants a look.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jay Mahler <j...@mahler.com> wrote:

> I've also created manual thumb tabs in unstructured FM. I put the tabs 
> on both right and left master pages, and I manually moved them for 
> each chapter. The big downside is when I added or moved chapters, 
> which happened quite often in one very large manual.
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Lin Sims]

I've got a (very old) Frame file that I acquired when FM 5.5.6 was still
the latest version. It claims to be able to automate the creation of bleed
tabs. I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works, but I have the
file (with requisite master pages) and the font it required, if anyone
wants a look.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jay Mahler  wrote:

> I've also created manual thumb tabs in unstructured FM. I put the tabs on
> both right and left master pages, and I manually moved them for each
> chapter. The big downside is when I added or moved chapters, which happened
> quite often in one very large manual.
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Jay Mahler]

I've also created manual thumb tabs in unstructured FM. I put the tabs on both 
right and left master pages, and I manually moved them for each chapter. The 
big downside is when I added or moved chapters, which happened quite often in 
one very large manual.

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Pat Christenson]

I agree with Steve. I did a few books like this unstructured. I can't remember 
how I did it but I found the instructions somewhere online.

Pat

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On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

At 14:53 + 10/8/16, Denis Daly wrote:

>Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

Yes, and yes. However, I would suggest you use thumbs tabs on every page, and 
move them down the page as the chapters increment. This makes them easier to 
use. I can tell you how to do this (automatically, unstructured) if you decide 
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Scott Prentice]

I've got a plugin that adds these to pages in an automated fashion. But 
this is designed for use with structured FM and XML. If that's of any 
use, feel free to contact me off-list to discuss your needs.


...scott


On 8/10/16 7:53 AM, Denis Daly wrote:

Hi,

For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 'Thumb 
Tabs' (correct name?).

These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to aid the 
user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.

Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

I use FM12, Windows 10.

Thanks in advance,

Denis



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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Robert Lauriston]

That seems wrong to me. Master pages should not vary from chapter to chapter.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Harding, Dan  wrote:
> Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years, but a 
> simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.
>
> I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of the 
> thumb tabs on it for the entire book (or more than one recto page if there 
> are multiple sequences of tabs), properly spaced with graphics and text 
> grouped, and then simply select and copy and paste the relevant group onto 
> the master page of each chapter.
>
> One copy & paste action per chapter. Works like a charm.
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Harding, Dan]

Maybe I'm too "old school" but I've been using side tabs for years, but a 
simple manual implementation rather than anything automated.

I have a one-page master document just for side tabs that has ALL of the thumb 
tabs on it for the entire book (or more than one recto page if there are 
multiple sequences of tabs), properly spaced with graphics and text grouped, 
and then simply select and copy and paste the relevant group onto the master 
page of each chapter.

One copy & paste action per chapter. Works like a charm.

-Dan


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Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Denis Daly <d.d...@icpnewtech.com>
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

At 14:53 + 10/8/16, Denis Daly wrote:

>Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

Yes, and yes. However, I would suggest you use thumbs tabs on every page, and 
move them down the page as the chapters increment. This makes them easier to 
use. I can tell you how to do this (automatically, unstructured) if you decide 
to go down this route.

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Carol J. Elkins]

Ok, I've changed the links so that instead of pointing to Adobe's 
download executable files, they allow you to download a zipped file 
for each template pack. Go to http://www.frameusers.com/tools/


Please let me know (offline) if you encounter any problems.

Carol
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At 10:15 AM 8/10/2016, Craig Ede wrote:
The executable doesn't run under Win 7 or 8 either; even setting the 
compatibility setting in Win 7 doesn't help (although it might work 
on a 32 bit Win 7 installation).


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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Steve Rickaby]

At 14:53 + 10/8/16, Denis Daly wrote:

>Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

Yes, and yes. However, I would suggest you use thumbs tabs on every page, and 
move them down the page as the chapters increment. This makes them easier to 
use. I can tell you how to do this (automatically, unstructured) if you decide 
to go down this route.

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Carol J. Elkins]

Stand by. I will zip them up and make them available on 
Frameusers.com. I'll email the link when they are ready.


Carol

At 10:15 AM 8/10/2016, Craig Ede wrote:
The executable doesn't run under Win 7 or 8 either; even setting the 
compatibility setting in Win 7 doesn't help (although it might work 
on a 32 bit Win 7 installation).


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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Craig Ede]

The executable doesn't run under Win 7 or 8 either; even setting the 
compatibility setting in Win 7 doesn't help (although it might work on a 32 bit 
Win 7 installation).


Craig


From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on 
behalf of Lea Rush <l...@astoria-pacific.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

Sadly, the template pack installer doesn't run on Win10. Given that it was for 
FM6.0 and older (wow), it's not a hug surprise. I'll see if I can unpack it on 
a different computer.

Lea

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Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:54 AM
To: Denis Daly; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

Maybe this would help: According to Adobe's Web site, the Framemaker Template 
Pack 1 "has a version that shows how to create running thumb tabs on recto 
pages. You can easily copy the technique to other templates after you see how 
it's done here." Get it here:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=345

Carol
At 08:53 AM 8/10/2016, Denis Daly wrote:
>For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed
>'Thumb Tabs' (correct name?).
>
>These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to
>aid the user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
>
>Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Ed Nodland]

Denis

I assume you are talking about something I refer to as bleed tabs. I use
them on a few publications. The tabs are 1 inch high and bleed into the
crop area at least 1/2 inch. They are black with white lettering. Chapter 1
starts 1 inch from the top and each tab moves down 1 inch, then if needed
the tabs start back at the top with the bottom tab at least one inch above
the bottom of the page.  I don't know how well a single-page bleed tab will
show up on the edge of the book. My tabs are on every right-hand page for
the sections that they are used for.

My data is managed in XML files and used to produce electronic
publications. I use FM to create PDFs of a few publications for commercial
printing, hence we are using structure FM. The setup is basically a
masterpage with a rotated frame on the right edge. This frame contains
variable text followed by the bleedtab with white text on the tab.  Our XML
documents contain attributes that drive the bleedtab, for example:

 
Subpart
C
Shipping Papers

172.200
Applicability.
.
.
.

   - Masterpage is set to use bleedtab
   - The text on the bleedtab is Shipping Papers
   - The position is three tabs (3 inches) down the edge

That's the basic concept, but every time I have to adjust or it up setup it
is a real pain.

Ed Nodland




On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Denis Daly  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 'Thumb
> Tabs' (correct name?).
>
> These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to aid
> the user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
>
> Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?
>
> I use FM12, Windows 10.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
> Denis Daly
> Technical Writer
>
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Lea Rush]

*huge  (sigh...)


-Original Message-

Sadly, the template pack installer doesn't run on Win10. Given that it was for 
FM6.0 and older (wow), it's not a hug surprise. I'll see if I can unpack it on 
a different computer.

Lea

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[mailto:framers-bounces+lea=astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:54 AM
To: Denis Daly; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

Maybe this would help: According to Adobe's Web site, the Framemaker Template 
Pack 1 "has a version that shows how to create running thumb tabs on recto 
pages. You can easily copy the technique to other templates after you see how 
it's done here." Get it here: 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=345

Carol
At 08:53 AM 8/10/2016, Denis Daly wrote:
>For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 
>'Thumb Tabs' (correct name?).
>
>These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to 
>aid the user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
>
>Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Lea Rush]

Sadly, the template pack installer doesn't run on Win10. Given that it was for 
FM6.0 and older (wow), it's not a hug surprise. I'll see if I can unpack it on 
a different computer.

Lea

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From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+lea=astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:54 AM
To: Denis Daly; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

Maybe this would help: According to Adobe's Web site, the Framemaker Template 
Pack 1 "has a version that shows how to create running thumb tabs on recto 
pages. You can easily copy the technique to other templates after you see how 
it's done here." Get it here: 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=345

Carol
At 08:53 AM 8/10/2016, Denis Daly wrote:
>For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 
>'Thumb Tabs' (correct name?).
>
>These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to 
>aid the user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
>
>Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?

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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Carol J. Elkins]

Maybe this would help: According to Adobe's Web site, the Framemaker 
Template Pack 1 "has a version that shows how to create running thumb 
tabs on recto pages. You can easily copy the technique to other 
templates after you see how it's done here." Get it here: 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=345


Carol
At 08:53 AM 8/10/2016, Denis Daly wrote:
For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 
'Thumb Tabs' (correct name?).


These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to 
aid the user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.


Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?


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