RE: Hello (FM 11 Documentation)
Original Message From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com ... Things like that. The current state of the FrameMaker docs is the result of them being updated with new features release after release. You should rewrite from scratch with a task-oriented focus. -- While I'm inclined to agree--and as I acknowledge that 'cobblers wear no shoes' and we'll never have perfect documentation about documenting with FM--it is no mean feat to address every task that one might attempt in FM. I'm not sure how I would begin, and I've used if for quite a while (though not so long as many here). What I think gives more bang for the buck--again, assuming we can't have it all--is doing more and better work on the provided templates. I should be able to open a template and: * See every style applied somewhere, in real applications (with lorum, if necessary) not just a word or two so you can click it, and DEFINITELY not blank. * See usage _explained_ when a non-obvious technique is employed (e.g., 2pt height, -2pt above anchor lines; resetting numbering on list intro headings NOT on stupid List 1/A styles!). [Yes, I know: it's high time I insisted upon clients Structured FM!] * See even more info on the Reference pages--would it kill you to explain the all of the building blocks for Index or TOC tagging in a text box on those Ref pages?! * Compare and contrast with other templates with the same deliverables goals, but different major style elements (e.g., step-level indentation, which calls for TONS more List styles; or Chapter-Page(-Figure/-Table/-etc) numbering which calls for use of BOOK-level tools and/or Running H/Fs) And so forth: A DITA project that I can immediately deploy, if I'm none too picky about appearance yet. Maybe a structured application or five that actually DO what 90% of all software and hardware companies need (HTML Help, PDF-for-print, PDF-for-screen, ePub). And I think you can save yourself the effort of delivering business templates anymore, which will free up development time for those really awesome, thorough, real-world-case templates. I mean, does anyone really use FM for that, with Open/Libre/MSOffice totally dominating that content generation space? (TL;DR:) I would rather learn by reading explications of actual, working template files that are already 80% of the way to being what I need for any publication, than reading empty instructions in a user guide. And when I'm ready to use those working template files to build up content, Ctrl+A, Delete removes all of the learning tools and samples, leaving only clean pages (with H/Fs). And I'm not having to add fifty styles to deal with real-world cases going forward. David ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello (Frame 11 documentation)
The FrameMaker 11 help PDF is at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/framemaker_11_help.pdf At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub version and other documents. HTH, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello (Frame 11 documentation)
At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub version and other documents. Cool! Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello
Mike's complaint is that the docs are not comprehensive at the lowest level. I'm more concerned about the docs not being comprehensive at the highest level. What are the five (?) different settings I need to check to eliminate blank pages? What is best practice for creating a template to standardize a particular type of document such as a user guide or release notes? How do I create a linked RoboHelp project from FrameMaker source? How do I create my first DITA XML book? Things like that. The current state of the FrameMaker docs is the result of them being updated with new features release after release. You should rewrite from scratch with a task-oriented focus. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Gyanesh Talwar gyanesh.tal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Thanks for the encouraging words. It may not be judicious of me to make big commitments, but the effort going forward is going to be close to the things you have mentioned. About Hunspell and Proximity dictionaries ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello
Are there any improvements to the user guide that don't regard new or changed features? The DITA documentation doesn't appear to be any more helpful for new users. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Gyanesh Talwar gyanesh.tal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am thrilled to be writing to the group where I have learned so much. I have been documenting FrameMaker for over one year now. I hope to get your valuable feedback on FrameMaker 11 and FrameMaker Publishing Server (yes, FrameMaker Server's new name) user guide. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/index.html ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello
On 7/25/2012 10:27 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: Many settings are documented in the Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf Mike, can you tell me where to find this document? Gyanesh, I too would like to read the manual on paper. I also would like to know more about what's in maker.ini Thanks, Theresa de Valence ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hello
In FrameMaker versions through 8.x (which is what I am still using for a variety of reasons), the file for Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf was located in the Documents folder of the FrameMaker installation directory. The FrameMaker 7.0 version of the document (which was distributed with 8.x software releases as well as all 7.x versions) devotes some 18 pages to what is in the maker.ini file and how it can be changed. With the major UI changes that were introduced in FM9, it's probable that large portions of the document became obsolete or incorrect, and it's possible that the file was simply removed from the distribution rather than being brought up to date. -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:53:12 -0500 From: t...@bstw.com To: i...@mikewickham.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Hello On 7/25/2012 10:27 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: Many settings are documented in the Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf Mike, can you tell me where to find this document? Gyanesh, I too would like to read the manual on paper. I also would like to know more about what's in maker.ini Thanks, Theresa de Valence ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello
Hi, Gyanesh, We are glad to have you participating here! In fact, since FM development moved to India, it has been nice to see that several members of the team have become active in the community and responsive to it. Thanks! One shortcoming that I have always found in Adobe documentation (and not just FM documentation) is that it so often fails to document some things that should obviously, and by default, be covered. For example, EVERY menu command, EVERY preference setting, and EVERY dialog option should be well described. Yet, these are often completely omitted from the help files. For example, FM11's Reviewer's Guide says that FM11 now includes a Hunspell dictionary option in preferences, in addition to the Proximity dictionary. But looking at the new FM11 online help, I searched for Hunspell and nothing could be found on it. There appears to be no information to tell users why they would choose one dictionary over the other. This is a preference setting, so it should be described in help. The Reviewer's Guide also talks about Improved handling of placed graphics, and mentions the new RemoveGeneratedFacetsForTypes= setting in maker.ini. But searching online help for that setting turns up nothing. (Perhaps it is documented in maker.ini itself, but I'm still on FM10 and don't currently have FM11 to look.) The Reviewer's Guide also mentions, under New Equations and Anchored Frame behavior, that anchored frames are now saved as individual MIF files, but there is a setting to revert to previous behavior: DefaultvVectorFormatForXMLExport=CGM. Again, a help search for this setting turns up nothing. Which reminds me, one thing FM help has always lacked is full documentation of maker.ini settings. Every setting in maker.ini should be documented. Some are documented in help. Some are documented in maker.ini itself (though often poorly). Many settings are documented in the Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf-- but, if I recall correctly, that file is no longer included on distribution disks, so many FM users don't even know that it exists! (And the downloadable version that exists is labeled as for FM7!) But many settings remain completely undocumented, including settings that, by default, are not included in maker.ini. So users don't know the settings are available. I would also add that, while I do see the advantages of online documentation being updatable and searchable, I miss printed documentation. The nice thing about a printed version is you can sit down with a manual and just read it to learn about things you wouldn't have thought to browse for in help. Adobe should consider creating print-on-demand (POD) versions of its documentation to satisfy that need. I think they may have done this previously with Creative Suite documentation. There was a time you could order printed copies of CS documentation in the Adobe Store-- though often a ridiculous six months or more after the product release! I used to order those when they were available. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello
Hi Mike, Thank you for mentioning these points. I did not have the opportunity to partake in the testing of FM11, but I am very happy to see that Hunspell is now an option, something I requested several years back. I will use the first opportunity I have to download FM11 and test the Hunspell dictionary which is regularly available to so many languages, even mine! I am also happy to see how active some of the developers' team are on this list. But I also agree that the Adobe software documentation is far from adequate. In the past this has been something that many have requested to be improved. The documentation is in fact so meager that it may be misinterpreted as patronizing (i.e.: If you need more documentation than this, you are just a looser. Or something along that line.) It is IMHO embarrassing for Adobe to see that some (a few) customers stumble upon something that can be done, or that they find out after digging and digging, and Adobe has no mention of these things. Do they really expect the customer to have to spend their time almost reverse engineering their software to find out what is installed? I am also confident that improved documentation will increase the number of Adobe customers. Why? Do I need to answer that? Brgds, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland 2012/7/25 Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com Hi, Gyanesh, We are glad to have you participating here! In fact, since FM development moved to India, it has been nice to see that several members of the team have become active in the community and responsive to it. Thanks! One shortcoming that I have always found in Adobe documentation (and not just FM documentation) is that it so often fails to document some things that should obviously, and by default, be covered. For example, EVERY menu command, EVERY preference setting, and EVERY dialog option should be well described. Yet, these are often completely omitted from the help files. For example, FM11's Reviewer's Guide says that FM11 now includes a Hunspell dictionary option in preferences, in addition to the Proximity dictionary. But looking at the new FM11 online help, I searched for Hunspell and nothing could be found on it. There appears to be no information to tell users why they would choose one dictionary over the other. This is a preference setting, so it should be described in help. The Reviewer's Guide also talks about Improved handling of placed graphics, and mentions the new **RemoveGeneratedFacetsForTypes=** setting in maker.ini. But searching online help for that setting turns up nothing. (Perhaps it is documented in maker.ini itself, but I'm still on FM10 and don't currently have FM11 to look.) The Reviewer's Guide also mentions, under New Equations and Anchored Frame behavior, that anchored frames are now saved as individual MIF files, but there is a setting to revert to previous behavior: ** DefaultvVectorFormatForXMLExpo**rt=CGM. Again, a help search for this setting turns up nothing. Which reminds me, one thing FM help has always lacked is full documentation of maker.ini settings. Every setting in maker.ini should be documented. Some are documented in help. Some are documented in maker.ini itself (though often poorly). Many settings are documented in the Customizing_Frame_Products.**pdf-- but, if I recall correctly, that file is no longer included on distribution disks, so many FM users don't even know that it exists! (And the downloadable version that exists is labeled as for FM7!) But many settings remain completely undocumented, including settings that, by default, are not included in maker.ini. So users don't know the settings are available. I would also add that, while I do see the advantages of online documentation being updatable and searchable, I miss printed documentation. The nice thing about a printed version is you can sit down with a manual and just read it to learn about things you wouldn't have thought to browse for in help. Adobe should consider creating print-on-demand (POD) versions of its documentation to satisfy that need. I think they may have done this previously with Creative Suite documentation. There was a time you could order printed copies of CS documentation in the Adobe Store-- though often a ridiculous six months or more after the product release! I used to order those when they were available. Mike Wickham __**_ You are currently subscribed to framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe@lists.**frameusers.comframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/**mailman/options/framers/** bodvar%40gmail.comhttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. --
Re: Hello
On 7/25/2012 10:53 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 7/25/2012 10:27 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: Many settings are documented in the Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf Mike, can you tell me where to find this document? Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf can be found here: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf You might also want to check out this page in the FrameMaker Development Center: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/online_manuals.html or the FrameMaker Development Center page itself: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker.html There are some good resources there, even for non-developers like me. Mike ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hello! doubt regarding Framemaker
Akilan, First, you would receive more and possibly better responses if you post to the Adobe User-to-User forum or join and post to one of the Framemakers mailing lists or frameusers.com omsys.com Second, I'm not an XML expert, but if your elements also use Frame paragraph tags, you need to set the Pagination of the tag to Run In Head. An alternative would be to have tab stops separate each element rather than returns. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Cheers, Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Vichu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello Campbell! I am Akilan Sivanandham! i have found your email id from Google Groups (adobe framemakers) i have a serious doubt in Frame maker. i know to convert XML to frame maker but i am not able to place the elements in correct place for ex: in my Xml i have tags like book author akhi /author booknamemy New Book/bookname verifiedbysiva/verifiedby /book when i convert this to frame maker i am just getting as follows akhi my New Book siva But i need to make it as my New BookSivaakhi this is the format, i need. is this is related to template or EDD.. i tried for past 2 weeks. waiting for your kind reply in need. with friendly Akilan Sivanandham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
