Re: MIF to SGML/XML
I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going that route. Scott At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Darren, I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
Hi all, Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is built into windows. FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML. I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle database. Best regards, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going that route. Scott At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Darren, I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/martin.smith%40golehtek.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: MIF to SGML/XML
Thanx to you both for the info! Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 AM To: Rick Quatro; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers Subject: Re: MIF to SGML/XML I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going that route. Scott At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Darren, I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then. Scott At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is built into windows. FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML. I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle database. Best regards, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
MSXML is just an extension for programming languages. It provides commands for opening XML files, finding nodes, adding nodes, that sort of thing. Microsoft maintains it, but despite this it works pretty well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then. Scott At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is built into windows. FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML. I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle database. Best regards, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
Hi Scott, MSXML is not a format but an XML parser/processor. It is very fast and stable, and has a small footprint. I have heard even ardent Microsoft-haters say that it is an excellent XML tool. Best of all, it can be controlled from FrameScript. It is also free. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going that route. Scott At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Darren, I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
Hi Scott, Confidence is gained from experience. I have confidence in MSXML because I have used it successfully in dozens of my scripts. I have not heard a single complaint from any of my clients that have it installed. If you discount software just because it is from Microsoft, you will miss out on some good, time-saving, production tools. Any big software company is going to have some junk (Apple and Adobe included), but I don't like to throw out the baby with the bath water, as they say. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then. Scott At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is built into windows. FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML. I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle database. Best regards, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
MIF2Go Art On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until we find something else. Thanks, Darren Darren Butler FrameMaker Template Custodian NG Corp ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: MIF to SGML/XML
Butler,Darren wrote: Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. FM itself will convert an unstructured document to structured, although I understand there can be a fair amount of work involved, depending on the doc and the EDD/DTD you want to use (or need to create). What does Maximus do that FM doesn't? Just curious. :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
Oy. This time I'll cc the correct list! (Sorry dual techwr-l, framers subscribers!) On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Paul Nagai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meant to cc the list, too ... On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Paul Nagai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until we find something else. Thanks, Darren I have a really hard time imagining that this would interest you (aimed at a different market based on wild assumptions I'm making about your assumed Maximus source code availability), but PTC (who acquired Arbortext, the brand) has an import/export product that supports, among many other things, the conversion from FrameMaker (MIF) to XML. Here they have it attached to a server product (Publishing Engine), but I know it is also executable on an enabled client from a GUI or the command line. http://ptc.com/products/arbortext/publishing-engine/product-capabilities.htm If you're converting thousands of pages, probably not going to be interesting unless you are already an Arbortext shop. Get deep into the hundreds of thousands ... maybe. Into the millions? Then the software (and potential service costs) start to fade out as inhibitors depending on your requirements. -- Paul Nagai -- Paul Nagai -- Paul Nagai ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
http://www.leximation.com/tools/mifml/ does a 100% conversion from MIF to XML. I used it to mass change unstructured FrameMaker documents to custom XML using MIFML as the starting point, followed by quite a bit of custom XSL stylesheets. - Michael Müller-Hillebrand On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until we find something else. -- ___ Michael Müller-Hillebrand: Dokumentations-Technologie Adobe Certified Expert, FrameMaker Lösungen und Training, FrameScript, XML/XSL, Unicode http://cap-studio.de/ -- Tel. +49 (9131) 28747 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
Have you considered mif2go? http://www.omsys.com/ Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:37:07 -0400, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML As Art said, Mif2Go does that job. It does it for both structured and unstructured Frame files, effectively, with minimal configuration, and very quickly. The best way to see if it suits your needs is to try it yourself. The free unlimited demo version is at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm What specific flavor of XML are you using? Is it DITA, DocBook, your own format, or what? That makes a big difference in selecting the most appropriate tool. Also, is your intent to migrate from Frame to another application, or to single-source from Frame and support XML output on demand? Those two processes make real different demands on your toolchain, time, and budget. Post back to the list on those two points, and you may get more precise assistance. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF to SGML/XML
Hi Darren, I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hello fellow FrameManiacs, Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until we find something else. Thanks, Darren Darren Butler FrameMaker Template Custodian NG Corp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
