Re: Reviews of FM 11

[Stuart Rogers]

Hi Shmuel,

I think you missed Robert's humour -- he suggested that changing *from* 
FM10 *to* FM8 would be an upgrade, i.e., an improvement.  But your 
point on Adobe's pricing is well taken, in any case!


best,
Stuart


On 09/09/2012 3:27 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I don't think Adobe sells 10 anymore. You might be able to find it at a
reseller like Amazon. Adobe charges $999 to *upgrade* from 8 to 11,
which is the same price as a new version. I'm not sure why they call
that an *upgrade* price.
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/upgrade.displayTab2.html

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 06-Sep-12 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

What does Adobe charge for upgrading from FM10 to FM8? I could use the
extra stability and better UI.
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Reviews of FM 11

[Stuart Rogers]

Hi Shmuel,

I think you missed Robert's humour -- he suggested that changing *from* 
FM10 *to* FM8 would be an "upgrade", i.e., an improvement.  But your 
point on Adobe's pricing is well taken, in any case!

best,
Stuart


On 09/09/2012 3:27 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> I don't think Adobe sells 10 anymore. You might be able to find it at a
> reseller like Amazon. Adobe charges $999 to *upgrade* from 8 to 11,
> which is the same price as a new version. I'm not sure why they call
> that an *upgrade* price.
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/upgrade.displayTab2.html
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 06-Sep-12 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>> What does Adobe charge for upgrading from FM10 to FM8? I could use the
>> extra stability and better UI.
>> ___


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+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Re: Reviews of FM 11

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I don't think Adobe sells 10 anymore. You might be able to find it at a 
reseller like Amazon. Adobe charges $999 to *upgrade* from 8 to 11, 
which is the same price as a new version. I'm not sure why they call 
that an *upgrade* price.

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/upgrade.displayTab2.html

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 06-Sep-12 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

What does Adobe charge for upgrading from FM10 to FM8? I could use the
extra stability and better UI.
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[Shmuel Wolfson]

I don't think Adobe sells 10 anymore. You might be able to find it at a 
reseller like Amazon. Adobe charges $999 to *upgrade* from 8 to 11, 
which is the same price as a new version. I'm not sure why they call 
that an *upgrade* price.
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/upgrade.displayTab2.html

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 06-Sep-12 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> What does Adobe charge for upgrading from FM10 to FM8? I could use the
> extra stability and better UI.
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Reviews of FM 11

[Gay Alson]

OMG, Arnis, STOP!! I'm having way too much fun at work this afternoon
because of you!

Anyone who hasn't read Arnis' review, do yourself a favor and check it
out: 
http://www.front-runner.com/artandinfo.php?AID=97

And Scott, thanks much for your link to the various reviews of FM 11. I
had read some of them but you pointed us toward a few new ones. I must
say, I'm quite underwhelmed with what I've read about this major new
release but we'll probably have to upgrade anyway just to try to get
rid of the daily (sometimes hourly) crashes due to FM 9's inability to
handle conditional text...


Gay Alson
Senior Technical Writer
www.epicor.com
Tel.: (514) 428-2116
Fax: (514) 426-0824
Email: gal...@epicor.com

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Hi...

Just in case you've missed it, here's a list of FM11 reviews ..


http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/08/consolidated-list-of-framemaker-
11-reviews.html

No .. Alan's review isn't on there .. yet.

Cheers,

...scott


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Re: Reviews of FM 11

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I don't know what the big deal is. For remembering the last five 
searches alone it's worth forking over 400 bucks to Adobe. Don't think 
about the fact that there are numerous free text editors that have had 
that feature for years. Those are simple text editors - not your main 
authoring tool! When your main authoring tool adds one nice feature like 
that it's worth $400. For two nice features, it's worth $600. So don't 
think about the money guys, just shell out the bucks!


On the serious side, our purchasing department would be willing to pay 
for upgrades if I feel they are necessary, and when Adobe was reasonable 
about upgrade prices I did feel it was necessary to upgrade every two 
versions or so. But now that Adobe has increased the price to $600 for 
just two versions back, I might just wait for a few more releases to 
come out and buy a full license. Adobe is really overreaching, and I 
hope they figure that out.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 04-Sep-12 9:39 PM, Gay Alson wrote:

OMG, Arnis, STOP!! I'm having way too much fun at work this afternoon
because of you!

Anyone who hasn't read Arnis' review, do yourself a favor and check it
out:
http://www.front-runner.com/artandinfo.php?AID=97

And Scott, thanks much for your link to the various reviews of FM 11. I
had read some of them but you pointed us toward a few new ones. I must
say, I'm quite underwhelmed with what I've read about this major new
release but we'll probably have to upgrade anyway just to try to get
rid of the daily (sometimes hourly) crashes due to FM 9's inability to
handle conditional text...


Gay Alson
Senior Technical Writer
www.epicor.com
Tel.: (514) 428-2116
Fax: (514) 426-0824
Email: gal...@epicor.com

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 09:26:08 -0700
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Hi...

Just in case you've missed it, here's a list of FM11 reviews ..


http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/08/consolidated-list-of-framemaker-
11-reviews.html

No .. Alan's review isn't on there .. yet.

Cheers,

...scott


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Re: Reviews of FM 11

[MamaRed Knight]

OMG is right Arnis!!! The funniest way to write a review I've ever seen.

Jerilynne Knight

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Re: Reviews of FM 11

[Robert Lauriston]

What does Adobe charge for upgrading from FM10 to FM8? I could use the
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[Shmuel Wolfson]

I don't know what the big deal is. For remembering the last five 
searches alone it's worth forking over 400 bucks to Adobe. Don't think 
about the fact that there are numerous free text editors that have had 
that feature for years. Those are simple text editors - not your main 
authoring tool! When your main authoring tool adds one nice feature like 
that it's worth $400. For two nice features, it's worth $600. So don't 
think about the money guys, just shell out the bucks!

On the serious side, our purchasing department would be willing to pay 
for upgrades if I feel they are necessary, and when Adobe was reasonable 
about upgrade prices I did feel it was necessary to upgrade every two 
versions or so. But now that Adobe has increased the price to $600 for 
just two versions back, I might just wait for a few more releases to 
come out and buy a full license. Adobe is really overreaching, and I 
hope they figure that out.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 04-Sep-12 9:39 PM, Gay Alson wrote:
> OMG, Arnis, STOP!! I'm having way too much fun at work this afternoon
> because of you!
>
> Anyone who hasn't read Arnis' review, do yourself a favor and check it
> out:
> http://www.front-runner.com/artandinfo.php?AID=97
>
> And Scott, thanks much for your link to the various reviews of FM 11. I
> had read some of them but you pointed us toward a few new ones. I must
> say, I'm quite underwhelmed with what I've read about this "major new
> release" but we'll probably have to upgrade anyway just to try to get
> rid of the daily (sometimes hourly) crashes due to FM 9's inability to
> handle conditional text...
>
>
> Gay Alson
> Senior Technical Writer
> www.epicor.com
> Tel.: (514) 428-2116
> Fax: (514) 426-0824
> Email: galson at epicor.com
>
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>   Message: 6
>   Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 09:26:08 -0700
>   From: Scott Prentice 
>   To: 'Framers' 
>   Subject: FM11 reviews...
>   Message-ID: <50462BA0.7090300 at leximation.com>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>   
>   Hi...
>   
>   Just in case you've missed it, here's a list of FM11 reviews ..
>   
>   
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/08/consolidated-list-of-framemaker-
> 11-reviews.html
>
>   No .. Alan's review isn't on there .. yet.
>
>   Cheers,
>
>   ...scott
> 
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Reviews of FM 11

[MamaRed Knight]

OMG is right Arnis!!! The funniest way to write a review I've ever seen.

Jerilynne Knight

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Gay Alson  wrote:

> OMG, Arnis, STOP!! I'm having way too much fun at work this afternoon
> because of you!
>
> Anyone who hasn't read Arnis' review, do yourself a favor and check it
> out:
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Reviews of FM 11

[Robert Lauriston]

What does Adobe charge for upgrading from FM10 to FM8? I could use the
extra stability and better UI.

Reviews of FM 11

[Gay Alson]

OMG, Arnis, STOP!! I'm having way too much fun at work this afternoon
because of you!

Anyone who hasn't read Arnis' review, do yourself a favor and check it
out: 
http://www.front-runner.com/artandinfo.php?AID=97

And Scott, thanks much for your link to the various reviews of FM 11. I
had read some of them but you pointed us toward a few new ones. I must
say, I'm quite underwhelmed with what I've read about this "major new
release" but we'll probably have to upgrade anyway just to try to get
rid of the daily (sometimes hourly) crashes due to FM 9's inability to
handle conditional text...


Gay Alson
Senior Technical Writer
www.epicor.com
Tel.: (514) 428-2116
Fax: (514) 426-0824
Email: galson at epicor.com

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 09:26:08 -0700
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Hi...

Just in case you've missed it, here's a list of FM11 reviews ..


http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/08/consolidated-list-of-framemaker-
11-reviews.html

No .. Alan's review isn't on there .. yet.

Cheers,

...scott


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