Translating FM files into Japonese

[Ragnar Hanås]

Hello,

He probably refers to the Trados filter S-tagger that converts FM files to
Word (rft) files with colored tags. The translator will just translate the
text in between the colored tags, and then you can convert back into
Japanese with S-Tagger. I did that with Japanese many years ago. The
learning curve can be a bit tricky, bit is really rather straight-forward
once you get used to it. You would need to install Japanese fonts as well.
The problem is that Trados does not sell this as a standalone program
anymore, so you would have to purchase the whole Trados package. Therefore
is seems better that the translation agency who probably already has a
Trados license does the S-Tagger work as well.

Regards,

Ragnar Hanas

Uddevalla Hospita,

Sweden



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Hi,



We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training
booklet written in English. The document is very largely table based with
typically an image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with
straddled narrow columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions. 



The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format.
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.



Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files
and the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their
side. I received my Fm files translated into the target language from which
I made PDFs.



Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done ? just pay a company to
generate Trados files from FM files?



Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),



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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Stephen O'Brien]

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
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RE: Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alastair Dent]

It is very strange indeed and I doubt that your translator is experienced.

Trados is a translation tool. It is normal for the translators to import files 
into Trados and export as appropriate.

Send them the files in rtf format and save yourselves a bundle. Or find a 
translator who knows what they are doing.

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Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
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Re: Translating FM files into Japonese

[John Sgammato]

Hi Stephen,
I am just now having a 200pp largely table-based book translated into
Japanese by GlobalVis: http://www.globalvis.com/.
They are working directly from my unstructured FM11 files with no trouble
and the output is making our Japanese sales engineer very happy. They
handle all the translation memory work themselves; I did not need to get
involved in that at all.
In fact, the translation project carried on without a hitch while I took a
2-week vacation.

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  Hi,

 ** **

 We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training
 booklet written in English. The document is very largely table based with
 typically an image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with
 straddled narrow columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.
 

 ** **

 The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is
 an additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we
 questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format.
 Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

 ** **

 Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files
 and the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their
 side. I received my Fm files translated into the target language from which
 I made PDFs.

 ** **

 Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual
 is requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done – just pay a company
 to generate Trados files from FM files?

 ** **

 Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

 ** **

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RE: Translating FM files into Japonese

[Jaime Zuniga]

Hi Stephen,

They may be trying to cut down on the prepping of FM files for translation, 
sort of like an engineering cost. I would think that a price of $12 p/p would 
be for the prepping AND the formatting of the FM files after translation. By 
them asking you for Trados files it takes care of the prepping part and most 
probably assumes that someone else will do the formatting.

Jaime


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Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
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Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
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RE: Translating FM files into Japonese

[Harro de Jong]

Stephen O'Brien wrote:

...

 The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an
 additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we
 questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format.
 Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.
 
 Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and
 the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. 
 I
 received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made
 PDFs.
 
 Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is
 requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to
 generate Trados files from FM files?


The additional cost would be to import the translated files into FrameMaker and 
check the page layouts, correct the pagination, set up a Japanese template etc.

Trados can import and export MIF files, but not .fm files. If you provide the 
MIFs to the translator and he sets up Trados appropriately [1], he should be 
able to translate the files, then it's up to you to convert them back and do 
the layout checks. 


1: there are some settings he needs to do so that Trados can differentiate 
between editable text and FM tags. If this isn't done correctly, the translator 
can corrupt autonumbering, cross-references etc. 




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RE: Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alison Craig]

Stephen:

I have handled translation for up to 17 languages for my company and have only 
ever seen a per page cost quoted for final DTP preparation (I haven't done 
Japanese at this job, but we do translate into Chinese).

As you say you do the final PDFs then obviously your translation firm isn't 
doing the DTP.

Any professional translation firm will already own TRADOS and/or other 
translation prep tools, so if they are asking you to do this, then they sound 
lazy or unprofessional. 

If you want to contact me off list, I can steer you to some better firms with 
decent processes and reliable work (my company is a medical device company and 
there are heavy duty requirements for translations firms to qualify to 
translate our docs).

Alison

PS: I'm not in the office until Tuesday as Monday is a holiday in Canada)


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Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done – just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Stephen O'Brien]

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur ? la documentation et r?dacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alastair Dent]

It is very strange indeed and I doubt that your translator is experienced.

Trados is a translation tool. It is normal for the translators to import files 
into Trados and export as appropriate.

Send them the files in rtf format and save yourselves a bundle. Or find a 
translator who knows what they are doing.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: 28 June 2013 15:16
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[John Sgammato]

Hi Stephen,
I am just now having a 200pp largely table-based book translated into
Japanese by GlobalVis: http://www.globalvis.com/.
They are working directly from my unstructured FM11 files with no trouble
and the output is making our Japanese sales engineer very happy. They
handle all the translation memory work themselves; I did not need to get
involved in that at all.
In fact, the translation project carried on without a hitch while I took a
2-week vacation.

john - warm and wet by Cape Cod at 70 Fahrenheit.


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Stephen O'Brien
wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> ** **
>
> We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training
> booklet written in English. The document is very largely table based with
> typically an image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with
> straddled narrow columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is
> an additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we
> questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format.
> Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.
>
> ** **
>
> Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files
> and the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their
> side. I received my Fm files translated into the target language from which
> I made PDFs.
>
> ** **
>
> Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual
> is requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done ? just pay a company
> to generate Trados files from FM files?
>
> ** **
>
> Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),
>
> ** **
>
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Jaime Zuniga]

Hi Stephen,

They may be trying to cut down on the prepping of FM files for translation, 
sort of like an engineering cost. I would think that a price of $12 p/p would 
be for the prepping AND the formatting of the FM files after translation. By 
them asking you for Trados files it takes care of the prepping part and most 
probably assumes that someone else will do the formatting.

Jaime


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:16 AM
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur ? la documentation et r?dacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels | Software
sobrien at innovmetric.com<mailto:sobrien at innovmetric.com>
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F (1) 418.688.3001
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Harro de Jong]

Stephen O'Brien wrote:

...

> The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an
> additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we
> questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format.
> Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.
> 
> Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and
> the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. 
> I
> received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made
> PDFs.
> 
> Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is
> requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to
> generate Trados files from FM files?


The additional cost would be to import the translated files into FrameMaker and 
check the page layouts, correct the pagination, set up a Japanese template etc.

Trados can import and export MIF files, but not .fm files. If you provide the 
MIFs to the translator and he sets up Trados appropriately [1], he should be 
able to translate the files, then it's up to you to convert them back and do 
the layout checks. 


1: there are some settings he needs to do so that Trados can differentiate 
between editable text and FM tags. If this isn't done correctly, the translator 
can corrupt autonumbering, cross-references etc. 




Harro de Jong
Triview

Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alison Craig]

Stephen:

I have handled translation for up to 17 languages for my company and have only 
ever seen a per page cost quoted for final DTP preparation (I haven't done 
Japanese at this job, but we do translate into Chinese).

As you say you do the final PDFs then obviously your translation firm isn't 
doing the DTP.

Any professional translation firm will already own TRADOS and/or other 
translation prep tools, so if they are asking you to do this, then they sound 
lazy or unprofessional. 

If you want to contact me off list, I can steer you to some better firms with 
decent processes and reliable work (my company is a medical device company and 
there are heavy duty requirements for translations firms to qualify to 
translate our docs).

Alison

PS: I'm not in the office until Tuesday as Monday is a holiday in Canada)


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien [sobr...@innovmetric.com]
Sent: June 28, 2013 7:16 AM
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done ? just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur ? la documentation et r?dacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels | Software
sobrien at innovmetric.com<mailto:sobrien at innovmetric.com>
T (1) 418.688.2061
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Steve Rickaby]

Stephen... you have been given good advice on this group (as expected). I would 
only add that if you need additional advice, Paul Findon inter-works FrameMaker 
files between English and Japanese. I don't know if he watches this group, but 
his e-mail is:





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