Re: Frame 9 buggy - Frame 10 as bad? Frame 11 on horizon?

[Roman Banks]

Hi Gay,
 
Surprisingly, FM10 is much more stable than FM9. It does crash from time to 
time, but not as often as FM9 did. An additional advantage of FM10 is the 
introduction of the Extendscripts. If you have a good command of Javascript, 
you will rule!
 
HTH,
Roman
 


 From: Gay Alson gal...@epicor.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: Frame 9 buggy - Frame 10 as bad?  Frame 11 on horizon?
  

Hello Framers,
I use conditional text a lot.  A LOT.  Frame 9 seems to crash on a daily, 
sometimes hourly, basis. Others in my department haven’t experienced this 
behavior, but don’t use conditional text like I do. The “.recover” files drive 
me crazy because I always feel I should compare them to the source .fm file, 
but even FM warns against using .recover files. And of all the times I 
laboriously made comparisons, I found exactly once when the source doc was 
missing something in the .recover file.
Anyway, I’m not really writing to vent, more to ask if Frame 10 is any better 
when it comes to conditional text – my brief research leads me to believe 10 
fixes a lot of the problems in 9 but introduces new ones. So this may be a case 
of the known devil… 
There’s a possibility we can upgrade soon, but now I’m wondering if we should 
wait another year (?) till FM 11.  Frankly, I lobbied so long and hard to make 
the move from Word to FM (7.2) but ever since upgrading to 9, I’ve regretted it.
Parenthetically, we’re also curious about the output to various versions of 
online help in 10.
Any opinions or experiences you care to share will be received with interest 
and thanks.
~~Gay
 
 
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Senior Technical Writer
Epicor Retail
www.epicor.com
Tel.: (514) 428-2116
Fax: (514) 426-0824
E-mail: gal...@epicor.com
2800 Trans Canada Highway, Pointe Claire QC H9R 1T1


 
 
 
  


  
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RE: TOC breaker and FM 10

[LG Lists]

Yes, I am. I use it with FM 8, so I'm familiar with the location of the menu
options. Nothing there in my FM 10 installation.
 

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From: Andy Lewis [mailto:a...@ig5authoringtools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:57 PM
To: 'LG Lists'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOC breaker and FM 10



Sorry to ask the obvious - you are looking for TOC Breaker under File 
Utilities in the UI, right?

 

From: LG Lists [mailto:li...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 6:52 PM
To: a...@ig5authoringtools.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOC breaker and FM 10

 

Andy,

 

No problem. I knew it was holiday time.

 

Here is where the toc_breaker.dll file is:

 

J:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker10\fminit\Plugins

 

(Odd drive letter because my system is set to dual boot between Win XP and
Win 7, and I'm in Win XP right now.)

 

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Tutorials, show me demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks
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RMIMA Secretary
www.RMIMA.org http://www.rmima.org/  


 

 

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From: Andy Lewis [mailto:a...@ig5authoringtools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:21 AM
To: 'LG Lists'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOC breaker and FM 10

Hi Linda,

 

Many apologies for the long delay in replying.

 

Could you confirm that you have placed the toc_breaker.dll file in the
Plugins folder inside the fminit folder, rather than the plugins folder
directly under the FrameMaker 10 installation folder.

 

Thanks,

 

Andy Lewis

 

iG5 Authoring Tools

www.ig5authoringtools.com

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of LG Lists
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:02 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TOC breaker and FM 10

 

Win 7

FM 10 (as part of TCS 3.5)

 

 

I'm using the TOC breaker plug-in for a couple of books and am in the
process of setting up a new computer with FM 10 (and I'm not having fun).

 

I downloaded the plug-in version for FM 9 (don't see a version for FM 10)
and copied the .dll file to the right place for FM 10, but it does not work.
I don't see the additional menu items I should see.

 

Has anyone gotten this work with FM 10? Any alternative plug-ins that do the
same thing?

 

Thanks and happy new year!!!

 

~
Linda G. Gallagher
STC Fellow
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com http://www.techcomplus.com/  
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Help with Framemaker 10

[Rainne Knight]

I'm using Framemaker for the first time, and struggling. I'm very familiar
with InDesign, and the differences between ID and FM are counter-intuitive.

I've got FM10, and am struggling to output a PDF that the printer we're
using is happy with. The book is supposed to have only two colors: Black,
and Pantone 186. I've checked the color definitions, and black is defined
as 100% black, with my C, M, or Y in it.

And yet, the printer is insisting that there is CMY all over the document.
I can't figure out how to fix this issue. Any suggestions?


Rainne

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Re: Help with Framemaker 10

[Rainne Knight]

Oops, that should read: ...with no C, M, or Y in it.

Sorry for the error!


Rainne

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On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Rainne Knight ladyrai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm using Framemaker for the first time, and struggling. I'm very familiar
 with InDesign, and the differences between ID and FM are counter-intuitive.

 I've got FM10, and am struggling to output a PDF that the printer we're
 using is happy with. The book is supposed to have only two colors: Black,
 and Pantone 186. I've checked the color definitions, and black is defined
 as 100% black, with my C, M, or Y in it.

 And yet, the printer is insisting that there is CMY all over the document.
 I can't figure out how to fix this issue. Any suggestions?


 Rainne

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Re: Frame 9 buggy - Frame 10 as bad? Frame 11 on horizon?

[rebecca officer]

Hi Gay

We've had Frame 10 crashes fairly consistently on a small number of files when 
changing conditional text display settings. It's been a major pain!

We seem to have worked round it by doing all of these:
- remove CT from the first page of the doc, esp CT that changes the number of 
pages
- remove conditioned rows from tables
- wash through MIF

Other people reported success by separating out the CT pod, but that only 
worked for us if we closed all other pods. That made Frame near-unusable.

I'm going to upgrade us to Frame 11 as soon as it's out - and Frame 10's been 
so buggy that I'll be asking Adobe for a discount.

Cheers
Rebecca


 Gay Alson gal...@epicor.com 01/05/12 7:01 PM 
Hello Framers,

I use conditional text a lot.  A LOT.  Frame 9 seems to crash on a
daily, sometimes hourly, basis. Others in my department haven't
experienced this behavior, but don't use conditional text like I do. The
.recover files drive me crazy because I always feel I should compare
them to the source .fm file, but even FM warns against using .recover
files. And of all the times I laboriously made comparisons, I found
exactly once when the source doc was missing something in the .recover
file.

Anyway, I'm not really writing to vent, more to ask if Frame 10 is any
better when it comes to conditional text - my brief research leads me to
believe 10 fixes a lot of the problems in 9 but introduces new ones. So
this may be a case of the known devil... 

There's a possibility we can upgrade soon, but now I'm wondering if we
should wait another year (?) till FM 11.  Frankly, I lobbied so long and
hard to make the move from Word to FM (7.2) but ever since upgrading to
9, I've regretted it.

Parenthetically, we're also curious about the output to various versions
of online help in 10.

Any opinions or experiences you care to share will be received with
interest and thanks.

~~Gay

 

 

_

Gay Alson
Senior Technical Writer
Epicor Retail
www.epicor.com http://www.epicor.com/ 
Tel.: (514) 428-2116
Fax: (514) 426-0824
E-mail: gal...@epicor.com mailto:gal...@epicor.com 

2800 Trans Canada Highway, Pointe Claire QC H9R 1T1
 
 
http://www.epicor.com/Industries/Retail/Documents/printpdfinvitation12.
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Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

[Fei Min Lorente]

FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and
TimeSavers 5.0.

 

We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard
against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request
the ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found
the option for Changes Allowed: Commenting, filling in form fields, and
signing. I thought everything was all right because I could then
comment on the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat.

 

I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the
files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable
commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have,
before the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I
must be able to configure the settings in one of them without opening
the PDF file after it's been generated.

 

If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10
and Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We're supposed to upgrade this year.

 

Fei Min

 

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RE: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Fei Min,

 

As far as I can tell there is no way to automate this unless you have one of
Adobe's expensive Live Cycle server products.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

r...@frameexpert.com

http://www.frameexpert.com

 

 

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:55 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

 

FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and TimeSavers
5.0.

 

We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard
against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request the
ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found the
option for Changes Allowed: Commenting, filling in form fields, and
signing. I thought everything was all right because I could then comment on
the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat.

 

I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the
files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable
commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before
the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able
to configure the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after
it's been generated.

 

If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10 and
Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We're supposed to upgrade this year.

 

Fei Min

 

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Re: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

[Shlomo Perets]

Fei Min,

You wrote:

... I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on 
the files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat.


With the free *Adobe Reader X*, end users can use two commenting tools 
(sticky notes and highlight text), independently of how the PDF was 
created, as long as the PDF does not have security settings that prevent 
commenting -- see http://acrobat.solutions.adobe.com/content/areaderx_ipm1_en


 Is there a way to enable commenting using any of the above tools that I 
told you that I have, before the PDF is generated? We have an automated 
output system, so I must be able to configure the settings in one of them 
without opening the PDF file after it s been generated. ...


Enabling PDFs for full commenting in an automated is possible with Adobe 
LiveCycle Reader Extensions (costly; you will not be able to find a price 
in Adobe's web site)



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
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Frame 9 buggy - Frame 10 as bad? Frame 11 on horizon?

[rebecca officer]

Hi Gay

We've had Frame 10 crashes fairly consistently on a small number of files when 
changing conditional text display settings. It's been a major pain!

We seem to have worked round it by doing all of these:
- remove CT from the first page of the doc, esp CT that changes the number of 
pages
- remove conditioned rows from tables
- wash through MIF

Other people reported success by separating out the CT pod, but that only 
worked for us if we closed all other pods. That made Frame near-unusable.

I'm going to upgrade us to Frame 11 as soon as it's out - and Frame 10's been 
so buggy that I'll be asking Adobe for a discount.

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Gay Alson"  01/05/12 7:01 PM >>>
Hello Framers,

I use conditional text a lot.  A LOT.  Frame 9 seems to crash on a
daily, sometimes hourly, basis. Others in my department haven't
experienced this behavior, but don't use conditional text like I do. The
".recover" files drive me crazy because I always feel I should compare
them to the source .fm file, but even FM warns against using .recover
files. And of all the times I laboriously made comparisons, I found
exactly once when the source doc was missing something in the .recover
file.

Anyway, I'm not really writing to vent, more to ask if Frame 10 is any
better when it comes to conditional text - my brief research leads me to
believe 10 fixes a lot of the problems in 9 but introduces new ones. So
this may be a case of the known devil... 

There's a possibility we can upgrade soon, but now I'm wondering if we
should wait another year (?) till FM 11.  Frankly, I lobbied so long and
hard to make the move from Word to FM (7.2) but ever since upgrading to
9, I've regretted it.

Parenthetically, we're also curious about the output to various versions
of online help in 10.

Any opinions or experiences you care to share will be received with
interest and thanks.

~~Gay





_

Gay Alson
Senior Technical Writer
Epicor Retail
www.epicor.com  
Tel.: (514) 428-2116
Fax: (514) 426-0824
E-mail: galson at epicor.com  

2800 Trans Canada Highway, Pointe Claire QC H9R 1T1





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Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

[Fei Min Lorente]

FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and
TimeSavers 5.0.



We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard
against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request
the ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found
the option for Changes Allowed: "Commenting, filling in form fields, and
signing". I thought everything was all right because I could then
comment on the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat.



I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the
files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable
commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have,
before the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I
must be able to configure the settings in one of them without opening
the PDF file after it's been generated.



If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10
and Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We're supposed to upgrade this year.



Fei Min



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Medical Division
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Hi Fei Min,



As far as I can tell there is no way to automate this unless you have one of
Adobe's expensive Live Cycle server products.



Rick



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Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

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FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and TimeSavers
5.0.



We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard
against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request the
ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found the
option for Changes Allowed: "Commenting, filling in form fields, and
signing". I thought everything was all right because I could then comment on
the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat.



I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the
files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable
commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before
the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able
to configure the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after
it's been generated.



If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10 and
Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We're supposed to upgrade this year.



Fei Min



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TCS 3.5 RH not playing nice

[Ben Allums]

On 1/2/2012 9:24 PM, hessiansx4 wrote:
> One of my colleaguesopened an existing RH project, using the new TCS
> 3.5, to generate WebHelp. Even after applying our stylesheet (and all
> other templates we typically apply) some of the .css styles are
> completely off (especially numbering and bullets). Have any of you
> experienced this? If so, what did you do to fix it?

DISCLAIMER: I work for WebWorks.

Any chance you are generating from an unstructured FrameMaker source?

Last I checked, RoboHelp exports the numbered and bulleted paragraphs as 
a table (similar to what we do in some cases).  However, their markup 
may not exactly match the source document layout.


Ben Allums
allums at webworks.com
512-381-8885

Frame 9 buggy - Frame 10 as bad? Frame 11 on horizon?

[Craig Ede]

FM10 came out in very early 2011. I'd be surprised if FM11 was released
before mid-2012 for that reason alone. A year and a half is mighty quick
turnaround for full number revision.
Craig
-Original Message-

I think those of us who were invited to participate in the FM 11 prerelease
program, but didn't have the bandwidth to do so, can safely confirm
receiving that invitation back in September. So I wouldn't be surprised to
see FM 11 announced around the end of Q1 or in early Q2. 


Richard G. Combs