Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Dear all, There seems to be a serious bug in FM 8.02 (p273) when opening a MIF file in FM. In 21 languages we translated into, it affected all but 4. This bug has been reported to Adobe. If someone on the list is working with multilingual content in FM8 and want more information, pls contact me off-list. Best regards, Mats Broberg ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Rick and others, Sure, here goes. There seems to be a possible bug when opening translated MIF files in FM8.02 (p273, possibly older patches too). In 21 translations we found missing glyphs in all but 4 translations, ranging from 40 to 2 missing glyphs in each file. Several translation agencies that we cooperate with confirm the same behavior. All are using different tools and workflows, so we do not think that it is user-related. You can replicate the behavior by following the procedure below (quoting the exact bug report to Adobe). Someone associated with Adobe (don't quite know the gentleman's position) replicated the behavior and (sort of) confirmed it. NOTE: Beware that characters below may be converted depending on how messages on this list is formatted. **BUG** Concise problem statement: Opening edited (translated) MIF files in FrameMaker 8 causes some of the extended characters disappear. Text containing extended characters for different languages are missing characters in FrameMaker, although all characters are present in the MIF file. The missing characters follow no particular pattern, most of the time all characters are there. (If you need more example texts in other languages to try this on, please contact me.) Steps to reproduce bug: 1. Create a new FM file and enter some text. 2. Save the file as MIF (version 8). 3. Open the saved MIF file in any text editor. 4. Replace String `Some text' with String `Ce produit est protégé par des brevets, des brevets de conception, des brevets en instance ou des brevets de conception en instance. Veuillez consulter la liste complète dans le manuel de référence sur CD-ROM.' 5. Save the edited MIF file. 6. Open the MIF file in FrameMaker Results: The word référence is missing one é, the text says réfrence. All other characters are there. Expected results: All characters entered in the MIF file should appear correctly when the MIF file is opened in FrameMaker. Best regards, Mats Broberg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: den 7 mars 2008 16:14 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Hi Mats, Can you share the bug with the list so we can all be aware of it? Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Diane, This is very difficult to detect if you don't know what you are looking for. The errors occur when you open translated MIF files in FM. In twentyone 2,000 word texts, there were all between 40 to 2 missing glyphs (Note: Glyphs, not characters) per language, except in four languages. If a word suffers from a missing glyph, there will be no extra space in the word, which makes it even more difficult to detect. Just browsing the pages is not enough to detect the errors. You must do a diff analysis, see below. The missing glyphs are indeed present in the MIF file, correctly represented in ASCII, but if you open the MIF file in FM, then resave as MIF, the glyphs are gone in the MIF file. So it is the act of opening a MIF file in FM that seem to create the errors. Our agencies detected the error by running a diff program between the FM texts and the translated texts from the translation tools. Several different workflows and translation tools were used, so, supported by the procedure in my OP, we fear this is not user-related, but a true bug. Mats Broberg From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 2008-03-08 10:01 To: Broberg, Mats Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Mats, Among other things, I manage localization for my company. We use FM8.02. We have not noticed any problems so far, but I'm epecially interested to know the symptoms of the problem and if there are any workarounds. Does it happen only when opening the files? Thanks, Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:26 AM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Yes, please share with the list -- that's _why_ there's a list. Art On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mats, Can you share the bug with the list so we can all be aware of it? Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Dear all, There seems to be a serious bug in FM 8.02 (p273) when opening a MIF file in FM. In 21 languages we translated into, it affected all but 4. This bug has been reported to Adobe. If someone on the list is working with multilingual content in FM8 and want more information, pls contact me off-list. Best regards, Mats Broberg ___ ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Art, No, not in this case. The source language files (English) are written in FM8.02, saved as MIF8, translated into 21 languages (using several different translation tools and workflows), and then opened in FM8.02. It is when opening the files in FM that some glyphs are missing (that are present in the MIF files). We have checked some of the glyphs that are missing, and they are within the Unicode range that FM8 supports. Mats Broberg From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 2008-03-08 21:52 To: Broberg, Mats Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Mats, Are the files, by any chance FM files from a pre 7 version? If so, the missing glyphs may be non-Unicode characters that aren't being converted in the new Unicode world. Art On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Broberg, Mats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diane, This is very difficult to detect if you don't know what you are looking for. The errors occur when you open translated MIF files in FM. In twentyone 2,000 word texts, there were all between 40 to 2 missing glyphs (Note: Glyphs, not characters) per language, except in four languages. If a word suffers from a missing glyph, there will be no extra space in the word, which makes it even more difficult to detect. Just browsing the pages is not enough to detect the errors. You must do a diff analysis, see below. The missing glyphs are indeed present in the MIF file, correctly represented in ASCII, but if you open the MIF file in FM, then resave as MIF, the glyphs are gone in the MIF file. So it is the act of opening a MIF file in FM that seem to create the errors. Our agencies detected the error by running a diff program between the FM texts and the translated texts from the translation tools. Several different workflows and translation tools were used, so, supported by the procedure in my OP, we fear this is not user-related, but a true bug. Mats Broberg From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 2008-03-08 10:01 To: Broberg, Mats Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Mats, Among other things, I manage localization for my company. We use FM8.02. We have not noticed any problems so far, but I'm epecially interested to know the symptoms of the problem and if there are any workarounds. Does it happen only when opening the files? Thanks, Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:26 AM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Yes, please share with the list -- that's _why_ there's a list. Art On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mats, Can you share the bug with the list so we can all be aware of it? Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Dear all, There seems to be a serious bug in FM 8.02 (p273) when opening a MIF file in FM. In 21 languages we translated into, it affected all but 4. This bug has been reported to Adobe. If someone on the list is working with multilingual content in FM8 and want more information, pls contact me off-list. Best regards, Mats Broberg ___ ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Hi Alison, No, I am only familiar with a MIF8/FM8 workflow in this translation case. Perhaps Jeremy knows? Best regards, Mats Broberg From: Alison Carrico [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2008-03-12 17:45 To: Broberg, Mats; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) This could end up being an issue for my company. Do you know if it happens with v7 MIFs when opened with v8? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Broberg, Mats Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:47 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Jeremy, Thanks, good to hear you could replicate the behavior on your side. Now we definitely can remove the word Possible from the topic title... I will talk to our vendors and see if they can use this workaround. In the meantime, I hope that the men and women at Adobe understands how serious this bug is and will provide a patch as soon as possible. Thanks for the test work you did, Jeremy! Best regards, Mats Broberg www.flirthermography.com From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 2008-03-09 05:53 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Broberg, Mats Subject: Re: Possible MIF - FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:24:48 +0100, Broberg, Mats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Concise problem statement: Opening edited (translated) MIF files in FrameMaker 8 causes some of the extended characters disappear. Text containing extended characters for different languages are missing characters in FrameMaker, although all characters are present in the MIF file. The missing characters follow no particular pattern, most of the time all characters are there. We can confirm this bug in Frame 8.0p273. In your test case, the last UTF-8 character was dropped; the others were kept. We investigated a bit further and may have a workaround for you. We noticed the string content was fairly long, at 214 bytes (counting the five UTF-8 instances as two bytes each). While that doesn't exceed the 254-byte limit, we thought it would be worth examining. When we cut the string into three ParaLines as Frame would, where the first two were about 100 bytes each, all characters remained. We understand that a TM tool is generating the MIF. Is there a way to limit the maximum line length it allows in a single String to, say, 128? The length doesn't really matter to Frame, since the line breaks are reset anyway upon loading the MIF. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/acarrico%40adamsglob alization.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Dear all, There seems to be a serious bug in FM 8.02 (p273) when opening a MIF file in FM. In 21 languages we translated into, it affected all but 4. This bug has been reported to Adobe. If someone on the list is working with multilingual content in FM8 and want more information, pls contact me off-list. Best regards, Mats Broberg
Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Rick and others, Sure, here goes. There seems to be a possible bug when opening translated MIF files in FM8.02 (p273, possibly older patches too). In 21 translations we found missing glyphs in all but 4 translations, ranging from 40 to 2 missing glyphs in each file. Several translation agencies that we cooperate with confirm the same behavior. All are using different tools and workflows, so we do not think that it is user-related. You can replicate the behavior by following the procedure below (quoting the exact bug report to Adobe). Someone associated with Adobe (don't quite know the gentleman's position) replicated the behavior and (sort of) confirmed it. NOTE: Beware that characters below may be converted depending on how messages on this list is formatted. **BUG** Concise problem statement: Opening edited (translated) MIF files in FrameMaker 8 causes some of the extended characters disappear. Text containing extended characters for different languages are missing characters in FrameMaker, although all characters are present in the MIF file. The missing characters follow no particular pattern, most of the time all characters are there. (If you need more example texts in other languages to try this on, please contact me.) Steps to reproduce bug: 1. Create a new FM file and enter "some text". 2. Save the file as MIF (version 8). 3. Open the saved MIF file in any text editor. 4. Replace with 5. Save the edited MIF file. 6. Open the MIF file in FrameMaker Results: The word r?f?rence is missing one ?, the text says r?frence. All other characters are there. Expected results: All characters entered in the MIF file should appear correctly when the MIF file is opened in FrameMaker. Best regards, Mats Broberg > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro > Sent: den 7 mars 2008 16:14 > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) > > Hi Mats, > > Can you share the bug with the list so we can all be aware of > it? Thank you very much. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com
Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Diane, This is very difficult to detect if you don't know what you are looking for. The errors occur when you open translated MIF files in FM. In twentyone 2,000 word texts, there were all between 40 to 2 missing glyphs (Note: Glyphs, not characters) per language, except in four languages. If a word suffers from a missing glyph, there will be no extra space in the word, which makes it even more difficult to detect. Just browsing the pages is not enough to detect the errors. You must do a diff analysis, see below. The missing glyphs are indeed present in the MIF file, correctly represented in ASCII, but if you open the MIF file in FM, then resave as MIF, the glyphs are gone in the MIF file. So it is the act of opening a MIF file in FM that seem to create the errors. Our agencies detected the error by running a diff program between the FM texts and the translated texts from the translation tools. Several different workflows and translation tools were used, so, supported by the procedure in my OP, we fear this is not user-related, but a true bug. Mats Broberg From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcal...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sat 2008-03-08 10:01 To: Broberg, Mats Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Mats, Among other things, I manage localization for my company. We use FM8.02. We have not noticed any problems so far, but I'm epecially interested to know the symptoms of the problem and if there are any workarounds. Does it happen only when opening the files? Thanks, Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems = -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:26 AM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Yes, please share with the list -- that's _why_ there's a list. Art On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Mats, > > Can you share the bug with the list so we can all be aware of it? Thank you > very much. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > There seems to be a serious bug in FM 8.02 (p273) when opening a MIF > > file in FM. In 21 languages we translated into, it affected all but 4. > > This bug has been reported to Adobe. > > > > If someone on the list is working with multilingual content in FM8 and > > want more information, pls contact me off-list. > > > > Best regards, > > Mats Broberg > > ___ > > ___ > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Jeremy, Thanks, good to hear you could replicate the behavior on your side. Now we definitely can remove the word "Possible" from the topic title... I will talk to our vendors and see if they can use this workaround. In the meantime, I hope that the men and women at Adobe understands how serious this bug is and will provide a patch as soon as possible. Thanks for the test work you did, Jeremy! Best regards, Mats Broberg www.flirthermography.com From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] Sent: Sun 2008-03-09 05:53 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Broberg, Mats Subject: Re: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:24:48 +0100, "Broberg, Mats" wrote: >Concise problem statement: >Opening edited (translated) MIF files in FrameMaker 8 causes some >of the extended characters disappear. Text containing extended >characters for different languages are missing characters in >FrameMaker, although all characters are present in the MIF file. >The missing characters follow no particular pattern, most of the >time all characters are there. We can confirm this bug in Frame 8.0p273. In your test case, the last UTF-8 character was dropped; the others were kept. We investigated a bit further and may have a workaround for you. We noticed the string content was fairly long, at 214 bytes (counting the five UTF-8 instances as two bytes each). While that doesn't exceed the 254-byte limit, we thought it would be worth examining. When we cut the string into three ParaLines as Frame would, where the first two were about 100 bytes each, all characters remained. We understand that a TM tool is generating the MIF. Is there a way to limit the maximum line length it allows in a single to, say, 128? The length doesn't really matter to Frame, since the line breaks are reset anyway upon loading the MIF. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273)
Hi Alison, No, I am only familiar with a MIF8/FM8 workflow in this translation case. Perhaps Jeremy knows? Best regards, Mats Broberg From: Alison Carrico [mailto:acarr...@adamsglobalization.com] Sent: Wed 2008-03-12 17:45 To: Broberg, Mats; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) This could end up being an issue for my company. Do you know if it happens with v7 MIFs when opened with v8? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Broberg, Mats Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:47 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) Jeremy, Thanks, good to hear you could replicate the behavior on your side. Now we definitely can remove the word "Possible" from the topic title... I will talk to our vendors and see if they can use this workaround. In the meantime, I hope that the men and women at Adobe understands how serious this bug is and will provide a patch as soon as possible. Thanks for the test work you did, Jeremy! Best regards, Mats Broberg www.flirthermography.com From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] Sent: Sun 2008-03-09 05:53 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Broberg, Mats Subject: Re: Possible MIF -> FM bug in FM 8.02 (p273) On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:24:48 +0100, "Broberg, Mats" wrote: >Concise problem statement: >Opening edited (translated) MIF files in FrameMaker 8 causes some >of the extended characters disappear. Text containing extended >characters for different languages are missing characters in >FrameMaker, although all characters are present in the MIF file. >The missing characters follow no particular pattern, most of the >time all characters are there. We can confirm this bug in Frame 8.0p273. In your test case, the last UTF-8 character was dropped; the others were kept. We investigated a bit further and may have a workaround for you. We noticed the string content was fairly long, at 214 bytes (counting the five UTF-8 instances as two bytes each). While that doesn't exceed the 254-byte limit, we thought it would be worth examining. When we cut the string into three ParaLines as Frame would, where the first two were about 100 bytes each, all characters remained. We understand that a TM tool is generating the MIF. Is there a way to limit the maximum line length it allows in a single to, say, 128? The length doesn't really matter to Frame, since the line breaks are reset anyway upon loading the MIF. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as acarrico at adamsglobalization.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/acarrico%40adamsglob alization.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
