[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap
On 23-03-2010 22.52, Alexander Limi wrote: +1 to xdv as long as it gets a decent new name. ;) YES! — And let's make sure to rename it soon, before it gets widespread mainstream acceptance -- Geir Bækholt www.jarn.com/baekholt ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap
Geir Bækholt wrote: On 23-03-2010 22.52, Alexander Limi wrote: +1 to xdv as long as it gets a decent new name. ;) YES! — And let's make sure to rename it soon, before it gets widespread mainstream acceptance If someone has a really great name, I'd consider it, but I think the ship may've sailed. Renaming now is likely to cause a lot of confusion. Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Documenting the process
Eric Steele wrote: I'm finding that I'm consistently wrong about how I think whole Plone thing works. Every assumption I had coming into this job has been met with some sort of No, we have a process. It's just not documented. Let's fix that. I'm looking for some help in actually writing down the process of how a major release of Plone comes together. Rough list of necessary parts would be: * Choosing a FWT * Choosing a release manager * The role of the FWT * The role of the Release Manager * PLIP review process * By what standards is a PLIP judged? * By what standards is a PLIP implementation judged? * Creating the release Suggestions for missing sections? Anyone willing to help me write this? I'm willing to help on this for sure! Just mail me directly or ping me on IRC if you need quick help since I don't read this mailing list too often. http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-core-developer-reference is the place for this kind of documentation. I'd prefer to keep all documentation in the same place instead of spreading it over plone.org and the Trac wiki. Why are you using the Trac wiki instead? Permissions issues? -- israel ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Documenting the process
Hi. 2010/3/24 Israel Saeta Pérez dukeb...@gmail.com: http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-core-developer-reference is the place for this kind of documentation. I'd prefer to keep all documentation in the same place instead of spreading it over plone.org and the Trac wiki. I talked briefly to Eric and Israel about this. I'll start working on this over the weekend / next week and we'll move everything into the Trac wiki to have all development of Plone information in one place. Cheers, Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: Geir Bækholt wrote: On 23-03-2010 22.52, Alexander Limi wrote: +1 to xdv as long as it gets a decent new name. ;) YES! — And let's make sure to rename it soon, before it gets widespread mainstream acceptance If someone has a really great name, I'd consider it, but I think the ship may've sailed. Renaming now is likely to cause a lot of confusion. How about something very simple like Theme Builder? (collective.themebuilder). Short, says what it does, sounds approachable. We can pretty easily refer to it as Theme Builder (formerly XDV) for a little while. What I learned in the last year at Groundwire (formerly ONE/Northwest) is that changing the name of something is easier than you'd think, if the thing you're renaming is something people like and want to work with. :-) :jon ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Jon Stahl jonst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: If someone has a really great name, I'd consider it, but I think the ship may've sailed. Renaming now is likely to cause a lot of confusion. How about something very simple like Theme Builder? (collective.themebuilder). Short, says what it does, sounds approachable. We can pretty easily refer to it as Theme Builder (formerly XDV) for a little while. I'd suggest that it keeps a name that has nothing to do with the Plone (or collective) brand. The technology isn't Plone specific, which is one of its selling points. A Plone integration package like the current collective.xdv can have a Plone specific name, though. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap
How about Pastiche ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastiche A quick review didn't find any significant open-source projects with that name, and pastiche.com is not in the web/software space. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.euwrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Jon Stahl jonst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.comoptilude%2bli...@gmail.com wrote: If someone has a really great name, I'd consider it, but I think the ship may've sailed. Renaming now is likely to cause a lot of confusion. How about something very simple like Theme Builder? (collective.themebuilder). Short, says what it does, sounds approachable. We can pretty easily refer to it as Theme Builder (formerly XDV) for a little while. I'd suggest that it keeps a name that has nothing to do with the Plone (or collective) brand. The technology isn't Plone specific, which is one of its selling points. A Plone integration package like the current collective.xdv can have a Plone specific name, though. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap
Jon Stahl wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Martin Aspelioptilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: Geir Bækholt wrote: On 23-03-2010 22.52, Alexander Limi wrote: +1 to xdv as long as it gets a decent new name. ;) YES! — And let's make sure to rename it soon, before it gets widespread mainstream acceptance If someone has a really great name, I'd consider it, but I think the ship may've sailed. Renaming now is likely to cause a lot of confusion. How about something very simple like Theme Builder? (collective.themebuilder). Short, says what it does, sounds approachable. We can pretty easily refer to it as Theme Builder (formerly XDV) for a little while. What I learned in the last year at Groundwire (formerly ONE/Northwest) is that changing the name of something is easier than you'd think, if the thing you're renaming is something people like and want to work with. :-) It's not *quite* that easy, though, because people will have things like collective.xdv in their buildouts. If an upgrade means installing something else, then in the worst case that something else could actively conflict with an old installation, and we're in trouble. It's also not so easy because at least two books in print mention XDV, as do three or four tutorials on plone.org. I think we need a damned good reason to rename, more so than this name is cooler. I also think we should ask the broader community's reaction first. Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
