Re: [Frameworks] Kodak 7363 - exposing and developing

[Dominic Angerame]

I use this stock all the time I have it processed as reversal and rate it 
anywhere between 10 or 12 asa i send processing out to a lab the stock is 
tricky because it has very few greys if you want to sell any let me know I 
still film with it contact me off sight for other tips domi...@cinemod.net

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> On Apr 20, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Isaac Brooks  wrote:
> 
> For the D19 treatment/negative I've rated it at a 25 ASA with consistent 
> results. If you have sealed D19, use it with that film. 
> 
> Isaac 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM Colin Brant  wrote:
>> Dear Frameworks,
>> 
>> I am having trouble finding consensus on how to shoot and process Kodak's 
>> now discontinued 7363 hi-con stock. I bought a bunch from the last run they 
>> did (2015 I believe) and am now starting to shoot it. I know that there have 
>> been threads that address this in the past (one even came up in a google 
>> search) and that this issue, or similar ones, are touched on in books like 
>> Kathryn Ramey's textbook -- but even so, I'm still left wondering how to 
>> rate it, and how to leave it in developer. 
>> 
>> My desire: shoot 7363 in daylight, develope in Lomo tank without push/pull 
>> in D19 as B Neg.
>> 
>> In the first test I did, it was shot at 6ASA and developed for about 6min 
>> and this resulted in a mostly overexposed negative. Also, I'm most familiar 
>> with D19 so am not sure if there might be other equivalent developers 
>> requiring the same timing that could give me an idea of where to begin. 
>> 
>> Any insight y'all may have would be greatly appreciated!
>> cb
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodak 7363 - exposing and developing

[Colin Brant]

Thanks, Isaac!

I mix my own D19 from powder that I bought in bulk at the ratios outlined
in this recipe from Photographers Formulary
. There it calls for
8.5 minutes in D19 @ 70°F, but doesn't specify a film stock or process
(e.g. reversal or neg). Seems too long to me, but curious what others have
found?

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Isaac Brooks 
wrote:

> For the D19 treatment/negative I've rated it at a 25 ASA with consistent
> results. If you have sealed D19, use it with that film.
>
> Isaac
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM Colin Brant  wrote:
>
>> Dear Frameworks,
>>
>> I am having trouble finding consensus on how to shoot and process Kodak's
>> now discontinued 7363 hi-con stock. I bought a bunch from the last run they
>> did (2015 I believe) and am now starting to shoot it. I know that there
>> have been threads that address this in the past (one even came up in a
>> google search) and that this issue, or similar ones, are touched on in
>> books like Kathryn Ramey's textbook -- but even so, I'm still left
>> wondering how to rate it, and how to leave it in developer.
>>
>> My desire: shoot 7363 in daylight, develope in Lomo tank without
>> push/pull in D19 as B Neg.
>>
>> In the first test I did, it was shot at 6ASA and developed for about 6min
>> and this resulted in a mostly overexposed negative. Also, I'm most familiar
>> with D19 so am not sure if there might be other equivalent developers
>> requiring the same timing that could give me an idea of where to begin.
>>
>> Any insight y'all may have would be greatly appreciated!
>> cb
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodak 7363 - exposing and developing

[Isaac Brooks]

For the D19 treatment/negative I've rated it at a 25 ASA with consistent
results. If you have sealed D19, use it with that film.

Isaac

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM Colin Brant  wrote:

> Dear Frameworks,
>
> I am having trouble finding consensus on how to shoot and process Kodak's
> now discontinued 7363 hi-con stock. I bought a bunch from the last run they
> did (2015 I believe) and am now starting to shoot it. I know that there
> have been threads that address this in the past (one even came up in a
> google search) and that this issue, or similar ones, are touched on in
> books like Kathryn Ramey's textbook -- but even so, I'm still left
> wondering how to rate it, and how to leave it in developer.
>
> My desire: shoot 7363 in daylight, develope in Lomo tank without push/pull
> in D19 as B Neg.
>
> In the first test I did, it was shot at 6ASA and developed for about 6min
> and this resulted in a mostly overexposed negative. Also, I'm most familiar
> with D19 so am not sure if there might be other equivalent developers
> requiring the same timing that could give me an idea of where to begin.
>
> Any insight y'all may have would be greatly appreciated!
> cb
>
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[Frameworks] Kodak 7363 - exposing and developing

[Colin Brant]

Dear Frameworks,

I am having trouble finding consensus on how to shoot and process Kodak's
now discontinued 7363 hi-con stock. I bought a bunch from the last run they
did (2015 I believe) and am now starting to shoot it. I know that there
have been threads that address this in the past (one even came up in a
google search) and that this issue, or similar ones, are touched on in
books like Kathryn Ramey's textbook -- but even so, I'm still left
wondering how to rate it, and how to leave it in developer.

My desire: shoot 7363 in daylight, develope in Lomo tank without push/pull
in D19 as B Neg.

In the first test I did, it was shot at 6ASA and developed for about 6min
and this resulted in a mostly overexposed negative. Also, I'm most familiar
with D19 so am not sure if there might be other equivalent developers
requiring the same timing that could give me an idea of where to begin.

Any insight y'all may have would be greatly appreciated!
cb
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Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

[Ed Inman]

FWIW I found these original instructions online: http://etienne.collomb.free.fr/morseg3/morseg3.htmlEd-Original Message-
From: lindsay mcintyre 
Sent: Apr 20, 2018 5:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

Hi Rob,In the G3 tank I've used several developers - these numbers are per 100ft of 16mm - if I loaded 150-200 ft on the reel I would increase the times.  2L of each solution at room temp - might need more for 35mm.  Its important to make sure that you are winding emulsion OUT at least half the time.  I've done it many times with other timings as well, based on the temperature of the solution or whether the film was underexposed.  It always seems to work pretty well.D76 for 7222 dev 12 min (usually takes 1 minute to wind from head to tail so 12 winds)wash 6 minrapid fix 6-7 minwash 7 minsD19 for 7363, 7231 and most other B+W stocksdev 5-7 minswash 5 minsrapid fix 5-6 minswash 7 minsBest, Lindsay McIntyreOn Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Rob Gawthrop  wrote:Hi LindsayWhat developer & dilution do you use? I’ve been getting rather poor results and it takes ages.ThanksRobOn 11 Apr 2018, at 18:13, lindsay mcintyre  wrote:Just in defence of the Morse G3 tank, I have several of these and I did all my black and white neg processing in these tanks for many years and always got beautiful results.  They're not as good for reversal processes, particularly if you are using permanganate bleach (even with the little exposure window) but for negative work they are great.  The process involves winding back and forth to achieve even processing and takes longer than say bucket processing, which is what I do now, but the G3 tanks have always worked well for me. I think depending on your developer, it can be about 12 minutes of winding. LindsayOn Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:I'm saying the results will be so uneven that you'll have long sections
that aren't developed at all.  A five-gallon bucket will do garbage can
development of 100 ft of 16mm well enough that, although it'll be severely
uneven, it'll at least be developed all the way through.  Folks used to
do motion analysis films that way.
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

[lindsay mcintyre]

Hi Rob,

In the G3 tank I've used several developers - these numbers are per 100ft
of 16mm - if I loaded 150-200 ft on the reel I would increase the times.
2L of each solution at room temp - might need more for 35mm.  Its important
to make sure that you are winding emulsion OUT at least half the time.
I've done it many times with other timings as well, based on the
temperature of the solution or whether the film was underexposed.  It
always seems to work pretty well.

D76 for 7222
dev 12 min (usually takes 1 minute to wind from head to tail so 12 winds)
wash 6 min
rapid fix 6-7 min
wash 7 mins

D19 for 7363, 7231 and most other B+W stocks
dev 5-7 mins
wash 5 mins
rapid fix 5-6 mins
wash 7 mins

Best,

Lindsay McIntyre



On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Rob Gawthrop  wrote:

> Hi Lindsay
>
> What developer & dilution do you use? I’ve been getting rather poor
> results and it takes ages.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
>
> On 11 Apr 2018, at 18:13, lindsay mcintyre  wrote:
>
> Just in defence of the Morse G3 tank, I have several of these and I did
> all my black and white neg processing in these tanks for many years and
> always got beautiful results.  They're not as good for reversal processes,
> particularly if you are using permanganate bleach (even with the little
> exposure window) but for negative work they are great.  The process
> involves winding back and forth to achieve even processing and takes longer
> than say bucket processing, which is what I do now, but the G3 tanks have
> always worked well for me. I think depending on your developer, it can be
> about 12 minutes of winding.
>
> Lindsay
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>
>> I'm saying the results will be so uneven that you'll have long sections
>> that aren't developed at all.  A five-gallon bucket will do garbage can
>> development of 100 ft of 16mm well enough that, although it'll be severely
>> uneven, it'll at least be developed all the way through.  Folks used to
>> do motion analysis films that way.
>> --scott
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