Fred, As a young person just beginning to venture into the experimental film world I find your unwillingness to name names rather troublesome. Your writing in the past year has been an invaluable resource for me. But knowingly letting these disgusting people and their art continue to garner the recognition and prestige it does, I think is wrong. History demands to be rewritten. Space made for the marginalized. If you do kno some of the greatest experimental filmmakers who did these things I would hope that you would share it. I think it’s important information especially in regards to writing about their work in the future. Especially in experimental filmmaking where much of the content is personal.
On Friday, November 24, 2017, Cecilia Dougherty <cecilia.doughe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you! > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 4:34 PM Fred Camper <f...@fredcamper.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','f...@fredcamper.com');>> wrote: > >> Amazing, but unfortunately not that big of a surprise. It supports my >> point that no group should feel holier than thou, or immune from all the >> badness. (Take, for example, priests, oh, wait, let's not...) >> >> I have to admit I do not understand the psychology at work here -- what >> pleasure could any male get out of such behavior? I will say with virtual >> certainty that nothing that you did "prompted" him. I guess we humans are >> all different, and not always in good ways. >> >> Thanks for speaking up. >> Fred Camper >> Chicago >> >> >> On 11/24/2017 11:17 AM, Kate Ewald wrote: >> >> I will give an anecdote about this very listserv: I was very severely >> sexually harassed as a college student posting about a film screening in >> 2008. It was for a well-known experimental filmmaker. The response to my >> post involved "oh, you don't know what you're talking about and I bet you >> can shut up and stick a dick in your mouth." This persisted for several >> posts (becoming increasingly graphic), some just to me, some to the whole >> list - I'm not sure what prompted such a reaction from this stranger. >> Scott was kind enough to delete these posts from the archives out of >> respect and block this person from Frameworks, but as a young person first >> entering the experimental film community (it was my first post on >> Frameworks), I was shaken. Some people policed it and stood up for me >> then, but Scott made it go away very quickly. So yes, this happens in our >> community, and yes, this happens on this listserv. I wish it weren't the >> case. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing listframewo...@jonasmekasfilms.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com');>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com');> >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > -- > “As from when does somewhere become truly yours?” -- Georges Perec > > Cecilia Dougherty > http://www.ceciliadougherty.com > http://inbetweentheories.com > >
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