Re: [Frameworks] fast film
I think he meant you push it one stop (or f-stop on your lens) – you have to use a different developer to retain the grain. You can either under-expose by setting your metre on a different rating, or simply open your lens by one-stop every time you metre a situation (inset it f4 if you metre f5.6). The whole length to be processed has to be treated the same (100' , 400' or whatever). Just tell the lab (if you don't do it yourself) that you've pushed it by one stop – they'll do a special run with the right developer (and time/temp). No big deal, Lars – we're all guilty of ignorance, most of us use those moments in relationships with loved ones. P I wonder if anyone could clarify for me what exactly 'rating at 250' means in this context. Does this mean metering as if the film was 250ASA, and then doing all lab work the same, without pushing or pulling in anyway? Or does it mean something else? begging forgiveness for my ignorance, LF On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM, J Vent jvent.subscripti...@gmail.commailto:jvent.subscripti...@gmail.com wrote: Good Morning- According to Kodak they no longer make anything over Vision 3 500T asa rating and have not for some time now. Long gone are the days when Kodak would/could reformulate almost any of their stocks past or present for an extra fee. http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/index.htm All of the stocks listed on the above link are available with the exception of Color Reversal 7285 which was removed from production in Dec/Jan. Since the vision 3 emulsion is so forgiving they rated it down from 800 to 500, this info from the Hollywood Kodak Student rep. The film can easily be re rated at 800 or 1000 asa, however beyond that there will be a noticeable increase in grain, particularly in the shadow areas. This emulsion holds its highlights exceedingly well but by rating it 2 or more stops over you will degrade the shadow or underexposed areas. This may not be an issue for your project, and certainly you can alter the result with lab work as suggested above. Vision 3 works especially well when rated down to 250, for a stop of overexposure, this technique provides superior results and is used exclusively on my Cinematography lab students projects. One light work prints come out nice with this technique. JV On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Raymond Rea prodc...@gmail.commailto:prodc...@gmail.com wrote: I do miss the brief time period when Kodak made 800T. I shot a roll on a back porch with one 100W bare light bulb as illumination (existing light). Not only did highlights expose well but I got some subtle detail in the shadows (no change in contrast as with pushing). Ray -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.commailto:jihalp...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Message-ID: 1362933975.44852.yahoomail...@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.commailto:1362933975.44852.yahoomail...@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No 800 speed color neg film has been made by Kodak for some time. And, as was pointed out, Fuji stopped manufacturing all motion picture film. I second Nicky's sentiment - rate Vision3 500T at 1000 or even 2000, and then have it pushed a stop or two. Or, shoot it at 500, and just have the print/transfer brightened. It has a huge latitude and can handle it. -Jason From: Nicholas Hamlyn nicky.ham...@talktalk.netmailto:nicky.ham...@talktalk.net To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Why don't you push the 500 a stop or two? Nicky. On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:42, J Vent wrote: No - 500T is the fastest speed motion picture film made by Kodak at this time. Fuji has ceased production of motion picture film. Vision 3 500T is very forgiving it can easily be rated at 250 to give one stop of over exposure. What is your intent with a higher speed emulsion? JV Black Metal relaxes me Roy Griffin '13 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, matthew brown matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.commailto:matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks
Re: [Frameworks] fast film
The way most labs are set up (almost all in fact) is that all film that is manufactured for a specific process (ECN-2, for example) will get processed in the same chemistry for the same amount of time, unless an adjustment is requested (and paid for) by the client. In the case of taking a film that has been rated by the manufacturer at 500 and 'rating at 250', you would be overexposing the film in camera, as if it were a faster film stock. If you then processed the film 'normal' you would end up with a denser negative, with no change in granularity or contrast. Likewise you could process this film as 'pull 1-stop', which would yield a negative of normal density with decreased granularity and slightly flattened contrast. In either case you could have adjustments made in printing or transferring to correct for color shifts and proper exposure, leaving the granularity unaffected. With Vision3 stocks, you can easily over or underexpose by 1 stop, process normal, and have brightness and color corrections made in the print/transfer, while retaining the original granularity. Working the other way, say taking a film that has been rated by the manufacturer at 500 and 'rating at 1000', you would be underexposing the film in camera. If you then processed the film 'normal' you would end up with a thinner negative, with no change in granularity or contrast. Likewise you could process this film as 'push1-stop', which would yield a negative of normal density with increased granularity and slightly increased contrast. Again, these could be corrected for color and brightness in printing or transferring, while retaining the granularity of normal (normal grain) or push-processing (increased granularity). -Jason Halprin From: Lars Fuchs edi...@klipper.tv To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film I wonder if anyone could clarify for me what exactly 'rating at 250' means in this context. Does this mean metering as if the film was 250ASA, and then doing all lab work the same, without pushing or pulling in anyway? Or does it mean something else? begging forgiveness for my ignorance, LF ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] fast film
I do miss the brief time period when Kodak made 800T. I shot a roll on a back porch with one 100W bare light bulb as illumination (existing light). Not only did highlights expose well but I got some subtle detail in the shadows (no change in contrast as with pushing). Ray -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Message-ID: 1362933975.44852.yahoomail...@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No 800 speed color neg film has been made by Kodak for some time. And, as was pointed out, Fuji stopped manufacturing all motion picture film. I second Nicky's sentiment - rate Vision3 500T at 1000 or even 2000, and then have it pushed a stop or two. Or, shoot it at 500, and just have the print/transfer brightened. It has a huge latitude and can handle it. -Jason From: Nicholas Hamlyn nicky.ham...@talktalk.net To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Why don't you push the 500 a stop or two? Nicky. On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:42, J Vent wrote: No - 500T is the fastest speed motion picture film made by Kodak at this time. Fuji has ceased production of motion picture film. Vision 3 500T is very forgiving it can easily be rated at 250 to give one stop of over exposure. What is your intent with a higher speed emulsion? JV Black Metal relaxes me Roy Griffin '13 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, matthew brown matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] fast film
Good Morning- According to Kodak they no longer make anything over Vision 3 500T asa rating and have not for some time now. Long gone are the days when Kodak would/could reformulate almost any of their stocks past or present for an extra fee. http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/index.htm All of the stocks listed on the above link are available with the exception of Color Reversal 7285 which was removed from production in Dec/Jan. Since the vision 3 emulsion is so forgiving they rated it down from 800 to 500, this info from the Hollywood Kodak Student rep. The film can easily be re rated at 800 or 1000 asa, however beyond that there will be a noticeable increase in grain, particularly in the shadow areas. This emulsion holds its highlights exceedingly well but by rating it 2 or more stops over you will degrade the shadow or underexposed areas. This may not be an issue for your project, and certainly you can alter the result with lab work as suggested above. Vision 3 works especially well when rated down to 250, for a stop of overexposure, this technique provides superior results and is used exclusively on my Cinematography lab students projects. One light work prints come out nice with this technique. JV On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Raymond Rea prodc...@gmail.com wrote: I do miss the brief time period when Kodak made 800T. I shot a roll on a back porch with one 100W bare light bulb as illumination (existing light). Not only did highlights expose well but I got some subtle detail in the shadows (no change in contrast as with pushing). Ray -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Message-ID: 1362933975.44852.yahoomail...@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No 800 speed color neg film has been made by Kodak for some time. And, as was pointed out, Fuji stopped manufacturing all motion picture film. I second Nicky's sentiment - rate Vision3 500T at 1000 or even 2000, and then have it pushed a stop or two. Or, shoot it at 500, and just have the print/transfer brightened. It has a huge latitude and can handle it. -Jason From: Nicholas Hamlyn nicky.ham...@talktalk.net To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Why don't you push the 500 a stop or two? Nicky. On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:42, J Vent wrote: No - 500T is the fastest speed motion picture film made by Kodak at this time. Fuji has ceased production of motion picture film. Vision 3 500T is very forgiving it can easily be rated at 250 to give one stop of over exposure. What is your intent with a higher speed emulsion? JV Black Metal relaxes me Roy Griffin '13 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, matthew brown matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] fast film
No - 500T is the fastest speed motion picture film made by Kodak at this time. Fuji has ceased production of motion picture film. Vision 3 500T is very forgiving it can easily be rated at 250 to give one stop of over exposure. What is your intent with a higher speed emulsion? JV Black Metal relaxes me Roy Griffin '13 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, matthew brown matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] fast film
Why don't you push the 500 a stop or two? Nicky. On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:42, J Vent wrote: No - 500T is the fastest speed motion picture film made by Kodak at this time. Fuji has ceased production of motion picture film. Vision 3 500T is very forgiving it can easily be rated at 250 to give one stop of over exposure. What is your intent with a higher speed emulsion? JV Black Metal relaxes me Roy Griffin '13 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, matthew brown matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] fast film
No 800 speed color neg film has been made by Kodak for some time. And, as was pointed out, Fuji stopped manufacturing all motion picture film. I second Nicky's sentiment - rate Vision3 500T at 1000 or even 2000, and then have it pushed a stop or two. Or, shoot it at 500, and just have the print/transfer brightened. It has a huge latitude and can handle it. -Jason From: Nicholas Hamlyn nicky.ham...@talktalk.net To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] fast film Why don't you push the 500 a stop or two? Nicky. On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:42, J Vent wrote: No - 500T is the fastest speed motion picture film made by Kodak at this time. Fuji has ceased production of motion picture film. Vision 3 500T is very forgiving it can easily be rated at 250 to give one stop of over exposure. What is your intent with a higher speed emulsion? JV Black Metal relaxes me Roy Griffin '13 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, matthew brown matthewfrancisbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] fast film
Hi, I have looked at both the Kodak and Fuji Websites and only see 500 speed film. Is there anywhere I can get color negative faster than that anymore??? thanks so much, Matthew Brown ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
