Re: [Frameworks] textbook recommendation
Joan, all, I agree that there's not yet (and perhaps will never be) a single, comprehensive history, for all the reasons Scott says. I think those of us who teach and who may be following the current debates on MOOCs as pedagogical tools might propose to design one of these online courses. (How 'bout it? If McGraw-Hill won't have us, maybe Coursera or xEd will! The History of Avant-Garde Film. we could all make lots 'o' money!) Joan, I just finished teaching an Avant-Garde Film History course, which I offer fairly regularly at UNM. We spend a good few weeks at the beginning of the semester on the European avant-garde movements, and then move on to (mostly) American films, 1940s to the present. Because I haven't yet figured out a way to force my students to read, this semester I just typed out some excerpts from what I thought were the most useful articles on the particular film(s) or movements, and handed them out in class. For further reading (hope reigns eternal!) I also put some 100+ articles on e-reserves, which I can burn to a disc. I'd be happy to send those to you, or to anyone else who might be interested. I'll contact you offline, Joan. Nina Fonoroff Department of Cinematic Arts University of New Mexico -Original Message- From: scott sc...@financialcleansing.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] textbook recommendation Hey Jonathan et al, I don't actually think there can be a single, comprehensive history--since avant-garde cinema can mean so many things, what exactly is avant-garde and what all does that history include? In any case, I think it's better to have students enter the field by way of the filmmakers than by a single overview. Scott Original Message Subject: Re: [Frameworks] textbook recommendation From: Jonathan Walley wall...@denison.edu Date: Sat, May 11, 2013 11:38 am To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Scott (et. al.), Your CRITICAL CINEMA books are extremely useful, in part because they are, indeed, reader friendly. I would say that about MOTION STUDIES, too. I hope it's clear that my point was that I don't think there is a single broad historical survey of avant-garde cinema, so that anyone who wishes to teach a survey course on the subject must cull together material from different sources, including most definitely your books. I've used several of your interviews and other writings in classes I've taught, as well as in my own research. Maybe it's wrongheaded of me to hope for a complete history - and as I suggested in my last post, anyone who attempted such a thing would probably be in for a lot of flack. I don't know that a historical survey ala Bordwell/Thompson's or David Cook's would ever find a publisher: no matter how broad such a study would be, it would still be too narrow and specialized to be appealing as a textbook to an academic publisher. And perhaps the very idea is anathema to the avant-garde spirit. Imagine the for dummies-style prose of a college textbook (MgGraw-Hill's The Big Book of Avant-Garde Cinema) applied to Brakhage, or Frampton, or Rainer - yikes. But I would still like to see, one of these days, a broad, synthetic, and straightforward account of the subject, as it might encourage more teaching of this kind of cinema at the college or even high school level. Best, Jonathan On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:10 PM, sc...@financialcleansing.com wrote: Jonathan, I've always hoped that my Critical Cinema books might be useful for undergraduates as introductory texts. They do not pretend to provide anything like a complete history, but these volumes can provide a sense of the world of avant-garde cinema and the thinking of (some of) the filmmakers who have energized this particular world of cinema. Scott Original Message Subject: Re: [Frameworks] textbook recommendation From: Jonathan Walley wall...@denison.edu Date: Sat, May 11, 2013 7:13 am To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Dear Joan (and Frameworkers), I hope people respond on-list, as this is a perennial problem for anyone teaching undergraduate courses on avant-garde cinema. To my knowledge, there is not a good general history of AGF, much less one accessible to students with little or no background in the subject (or related subjects like art history). Indeed, I can't think of any book that purports to offer such a history - the closest I can think of is A.L. Rees's A HISTORY OF EXPERIMENTAL FILM AND VIDEO, which, while fascinating, is a little advanced for uninitiated readers, and leaves off in the 1970s before going on to focus specifically on British practice. Despite its title, it's a little scattershot historically (which I say as an admirer of the book and of Rees's work generally).
[Frameworks] New film
I posted before another version of this which needed attention - that attention has now been applied and makes for a better film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xHnQSpwHPwfeature=youtu.be ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Experiments in Cinema fundraising DVDs now available!!
Hello Frameworkers - please know that our 7 disc (wow - 7 discs!) fundraising DVD collection from Experiments in Cinema v8.53 is now available at our website along with T shirts and tote bags. See www.experimentsincinema.com for ordering information and a list of artists' works on the collection. Additionally, we still have plenty of fundraising DVD collections available from our previous festivals ready and waiting to be shipped! We are always way-thankful to all the artists who donate their works to these fundraising DVD collections as Basement Films (sponsor of Experiments in Cinema) is a 100% volunteer run micro-cinema, so all proceeds go directly to ensuring that the next version of Experiments in Cinema WILL happen. Our next call for submissions will be up on our website in early August (FYI). Last, if anyone is interested in receiving a copy of our program from EIC v8.53 please send me your mailing address and I will ship one out to ya! Remember, happiness is a warm projector! xxx Bryan Konefsky director Experiments in Cinema Great art has always gone to the masses, to their hopes and dreams, for that spark that kindled their souls. The rest, the many, all too many as Nietzsche called mediocrity, have been mere commodities that can be bought with money, cheap glory, or social position. - Emma Goldman ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Textbook
Wheeler Dixon's The Exploding Eye was an attempt to convey the scope of avant garde filmmaking without depending upon or creating a pantheon syndrome. - Jud Yalkut ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Textbook
I agree, The Exploding Eye ! great resource! Owen On May 12, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Jud Yalkut jvidfilm2...@aol.com wrote: Wheeler Dixon's The Exploding Eye was an attempt to convey the scope of avant garde filmmaking without depending upon or creating a pantheon syndrome. - Jud Yalkut ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] yellow brown film
Thanks Josh. It works. Non bad Now I'd to try toner (yellow and Blu). Have you got some experience? Standard process is to to use toner after fix. Have you tried after the first development. Ciao 2013/2/8 Joey bardenm...@yahoo.com Franco, listen to Josh. He knows his stuff. Joey -- *From:* Josh Lewis McConnell m.joshuale...@gmail.com *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2013 9:54 AM *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] yellow brown film Franco--try switching to a potassium dichromate bleach, then wash the film only with very cold water before the redevelopment--the residue will usually stain the film brown/orange. Josh 1717 Troutman Street Suite 244 Ridgewood, NY 11385 (201) 952 23866 m.joshuale...@gmail.com On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 6:33 AM, franco base frenk.ca...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks you have right. Stupid error. I try again and I have the positive Image, but not yellow/brown effect. Naturally after bleach the the film was yellow/brown but the second exposition and the second development and the fix remove all the toning. It's strange. Maybe I will'try with sepia toning but I'd prefer have it with bleach, because I don't care long and stable effetc. 2013/2/5 Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com Okay... you have developed a silver image bleached the silver image away, then the fixer removes all residual latent silver from the emulsion. You need some kind of redevelopment. Have you considered sepia toning it? It's stinky and a pain, but gives a stable long-lasting yellow-brown image. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 1717 Troutman Street Suite 244 Ridgewood, NY 11385 (201) 952 23866 m.joshuale...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
