Re: Interfax
Cannon <orthomen...@gmail.com> writes: > First time I've seen it and first impression was that it was > */D-t/**/rap/* a la Abe Maslow. Then senders looked OK, but there was > no attachment. Mailman is set up to strip binary attachments. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Concerning our new Code of Conduct...
Johannes Jost Meixner johan...@meixner.dk writes: I - as a male - feel not only not tolerated, but also discriminated against, There are approximately 400 active committers, and not even five of those are women. How the *hell* can you claim to be discriminated against when you are part of a 99% majority? I shall immediately cease all public contributions to the FreeBSD project, including but not limited to /r/theredpill is --- thataway. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?
Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes: You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our side and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side. I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as the ports tree (~24k ports). DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?
Chris Benesch chris.bene...@gmail.com writes: Lets take gcc for instance. To install gcc on BSD, you need the gcc port and a few support packages, such as readline, gettext, intl, etc... but thats it. On Linux you need gcc, gcc-devel, gcc-headers, kernel-headers, gcc-libs, a whole lot more complex. The difference comes from a basic philosophical difference. Yes and no. FreeBSD ships headers, static libraries, debugging symbols etc. as part of base, and as part of each package. Most Linux distributions ship these separately and don't install them by default. However, it's not as complicated as you make it out to be: just run 'apt-get install build-essentials' (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint) or 'yum groupinstall Development Tools' (RHEL, Fedora, CentOS). BSD IMHO seeks to be truly open source, [...] Linux seeks to straddle the line of open and closed source. Neither statement is correct, and the issue is far too complex to be summarized in two sentences, or even two paragraphs. The GPL is overly long and convoluted if anyone bothers to actually read it instead of just saying yes. It's as long as it needs to be to express what its authors wish it to express. If you're in a hurry or have a short attention span, just skip the preamble and stop when you get to the disclaimer of warranty. The answer lies in the marketing. Linux and its rebellious beginnings appeal to people better than BSD for some reason, when in actuality it was a guy from Scandinavia experimenting with the new 386 processors vs. a group that was there when Unix was originally invented. Neither characterization is correct. (BTW, I'm a guy from Scandinavia, and so is one of the founders of the FreeBSD project) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Request for comments on a keycap (keyboard key) logo
Tim Čas darkuran...@gmail.com writes: He said that he'll fix those eyes shortly and contact the author of the modern logo, so it appears that both will get added! The author of the modern logo has vanished without a trace (before delivering all the agreed-upon materials), but he doesn't own the rights to it anyway - the Foundation does. In the meantime, any comments as to which of these should he use (n.b.: on the monochromatic variants are applicable here): http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.png I vote for the outline version, but with thicker lines. However, I don't use Cherry keyboards - I use Logitech UltraX keyboards, which have laptop keys - so I probably won't be able to use the caps... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Request for advice
Petrus petr...@tpg.com.au writes: Although I am primarily doing so for personal, rather than economic reasons, I did want to ask whether or not it possibly *would* add to a resume, in the opinions of people here. What you should ask yourself instead is can it possibly hurt? So I wanted to ask; how possible is it still, to become gainfully employed as a BSD administrator? Once I have the BSD certification, will it be necessary to concede to reality, and also seek certification in Linux as well? It is undoubtedly much easier to get a Linux job than a BSD job, unless you are willing to relocate to where the BSD jobs are. I have long considered that idea, but the problem is that Linux training generally costs a minimum of $2,000, and I do not have that type of money available. I got LPIC-1 without any training, after only a few months of using Linux. There is a lot of overlap with FreeBSD and other Unices. The exam itself costs $173 at any Pearson VUE location. The BSDA exam costs $75 and is usually given at F/OSS conferences and user group meetings. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wildebeest Licensing
Frank Mitchell mitch...@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk writes: Hi: Why not write your own Software License? Just avoid anything illegal. Because 1) Unless you are an IP lawyer yourself, you are very likely to end up with something that is either ambiguous, full of loopholes, or unenforceable. 2) It makes life harder for your users, because they have to read and understand yet another license, instead of just accepting one they already know. Before composing the Wildebeest Licence I read some legal stuff to ensure it made sense. Yeah, and I read some medical stuff before performing an appendectomy on my sister, so I'm sure she'll be all right. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup
David Wolfskill da...@catwhisker.org writes: But my recollection is that *bidirectional* gateways (news = mail) are rather difficult to get right and the consequences of misconfiguration tend toward cascade failure. They're not trivial to get right from first principles, but they're very common, and I'm sure someone who's done it before can lend a hand. It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional gateway were set up (mail = news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list. ...and that would be sufficient for -announce. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com writes: What is incorrect, Julian? Pretty much everything about the lawsuit. http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/USLsettlement.pdf I found the phrase everything developed before 1970 particularly amusing, as it translates to approximately zero, plus or minus zero. Oh, and pretty much everything else as well. The practice of sharing source code without compensation (and the term copyleft) can be traced to a hobbyist magazine that later developed into Dr Dobb's, and predates 3BSD (1BSD and 2BSD were only add-ons, not OS distributions) by about five years. The first explicit discussion of free software as such was in an article published in the July 1976 issue of SIGPLAN in reaction to Bill Gate's (in)famous open letter. The first organized F/OSS movement was, like it or not, the GNU Project started by Richard Stallman in 1983. At that time, BSD was distributed only to institutions that already held an ATT source code license. The network stack was open sourced in the late eighties, the rest of the system in the early-to-mid nineties. He was drinking beer by the pitcher, so I'm sure he was more forthcoming than usual. I neither know nor care whether that statement is true, but it's not a particularly nice thing to say about anyone. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com writes: Dag-Erling, I remember you quite well as a core developer, so I don't doubt that your knowledge of history is better than mine. Never been on core. My knowledge of this matter comes from researching it (thoroughly) for the history section of a presentation on open source licensing. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) )
Allen gedankezaube...@comcast.net writes: You can't get sued for it ;) The US has a law here that states a parody of something isn't a rip off. There is no such law, only legal practice, and the US is only a small part of the world. Besides, Visa probably runs BSD on their servers anyway lol. VISA != MasterCard DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?
Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org writes: The response seems to suggest [...] ...nothing except that whoever wrote it has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) )
Allen gedankezaube...@comcast.net writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no wrote: Allen gedankezaube...@comcast.net writes: You can't get sued for it ;) The US has a law here that states a parody of something isn't a rip off. There is no such law, only legal practice, and the US is only a small part of the world. Yes, but BSD was started in California, and making a parody shouldn't be a problem. If only life were so simple. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures
Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org writes: Wondering if there is any group photo of FreeBSD dev [...] You'd have to get all 350 of us in the same place at the same time... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) )
Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org writes: Allen gedankezaube...@comcast.net writes: I thought about this for a minute before sending this message, and figured why not? Those Credit Card commercials you see on TV always say Something something, 5 dollars, something something 50 dollars, and something something 300 dollars, getting to do this; Priceless! iirc, that sounds like the Standard chartered credit card ad, here in India. It's a series of MasterCard ads. Some things in life are free. For everything else, there's MasterCard. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 284, Issue 1
james r relyea jrre...@juno.com writes: i do not understand how this message relates to freebsd. You should know better than to reply to spam. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD birthday date
Dmitriy Demidov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is there any official date of birth for Beastie [...] http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ says that it is a 1.0 (November, 1993) Beastie is far older than FreeBSD; the idea of a daemon as a mascot for Unix predates even the CSRG BSD. Phil Foglio drew the first version in 1976. John Lasseter first drew what we currently know as Beastie for a book cover in 1984; he drew a second version for the 4.3BSD book in 1988 and a third for the 4.4BSD book in 1994. The 1988 version is the most widely used today. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, a more probable explanation is simply that Sun -- as a monolithic economic power base in the form of a tech corporation -- has more influence with Adobe than what Adobe execs probably see (however inaccurately) as a fractious bunch of hobbyists. That, or Sun paid them to port it. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer
Niki Denev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's a speculation that Yahoo may reject Microsoft's offer in favor of alliance with Google http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/04/0130235.shtml And like pretty much everything else on Slashdot, it is just that: wild speculation. Yahoo! has rejected offers from Microsoft in the past, but this time, Microsoft addressed their very generous offer (~60% above last close at the time it was made) directly to the shareholders, and there is nothing Y! can do to stop it if enough shareholders decide to bite. This tactic is commonly known as a hostile takeover. I am not saying Microsoft will succeed, nor that they will fail. I don't know either way, and at this point, I don't think anybody else does either. However, when listening to such speculation as you refer to above, you should take into account the fact that some people may stand to make a lot of money by convincing the market, or even just a small part of it, that their speculation is factual rather than pulled out of thin air. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer
Konrad Heuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: since I've read about the M$ offer to buy Yahoo in the newspapers on saturday I'm wondering whether this will be a threat or a chance for FreeBSD. Please don't stir this up again. It's been discussed ad nauseam on -chat and in other fora already, and that by, shall we say, people of far less discrimination than yourself. While I don't think anybody seriously expects at this point that Yahoo! will stop using and supporting FreeBSD for several years at least, the project will neither be caught unawares nor without a backup plan if it does happen. DES (neither a member of nor speaking for core@) -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current Gentoo user
Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A VOIP (ie Skype) Asterisk developer (Emil Stoyanov. cc'd) who is FreeBSD ( Linux) based did 2 presentations in Munich this year: Uh... Skype is indeed VOIP, but it is not interoperable with Asterisk (or anything else) since it uses its own proprietary encrypted protocol instead of SIP. Skype is good if you like the idea of eBay being able to track who you talk to, listen in on your conversations, and control your computer. Asterisk (and a suitable SIP client such as Ekiga) is good if you like open standards and vendor independence. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libre Software Meeting in Amiens, France, 10-14 July
Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= wrote: You apparently don't read much French, or you'd know what he wrote was a direct reply to the OP, accidentally sent to the list... Your surmise of only intent might be right or not. As a native speaker, I'm fairly certain I read his message correctly. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libre Software Meeting in Amiens, France, 10-14 July
Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: American is the industry language. (eg Korean Mboard BIOSes boot with American not English key layouts etc, I'm British, lucky enough to read German French, but remember many can't read French). You apparently don't read much French, or you'd know what he wrote was a direct reply to the OP, accidentally sent to the list... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
José Manuel Molina Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What can be said about a guy that repeats Our friends, the software patents in several chapters. If you think he favors software patents, you need to read the article again - carefully. He does play the devil's advocate early on, but he comes down squarely against them. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign
Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard of the Stop the Blob campaign led by allBSD [1] today. The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD logo is here: URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign
Jan Husar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign
Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our logo was used for this campaign? Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are qualified to handle it. As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will let the source tree speak for itself: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu /sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu /sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu /sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Ubuntu is not Debian. It is a derivative of Debian maintained by a commercial entity. The only difference between Canonical and RedHat or Novell in that respect is that Canonical charge only for support, not for the software. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. On the contrary, FreeBSD does not have and has never had a graphical installer. Sysinstall is text-based and is rumored to work well with screen readers. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDROM-Artwork (5-b)
Peer Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For a quick look here are some thumbnails: http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/files_list.html (this URL is secret; no artwork is published by me at this time) This secret URL is now archived on hundreds of web sites and indexed by Google... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bind within src-contrib
Joshua Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was attempting to build a minimal supfile, when I noticed that bind was included within contrib. This to me seems like something that should be included within the ports tree, or atleast be included in a portion of the tree with less crucial software. BIND has been a part of BSD since its inception (the B in BIND and BSD both stand for Berkeley), and parts of it are essential to the system. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?
Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Responding to Chris: CSS is neither outdated nor a Windows thing. You apparently need to get an extra clue or two before you rejoin this discussion. Not really - Some years back MS made a big issue about CSS. It was then that I lost interest in web devel. Besides - web devel isn't my bag, so I really don't think that I need to have or get a clue. CSS is a W3 standard, but was originally designed by the CTO of Opera Software, a company which is one of Microsoft's more vocal detractors and which recently received a large settlement in a lawsuit regarding Microsoft's (alleged) intentional efforts to make their website render poorly in Opera's browser. IE handles CSS1 badly, and CSS2 almost not at all. Calling it a Windows thing severely misrepresents the facts. One does not need to know how to rebuild an engine to know how to drive the car. One should not criticize the design of an engine while vehemently claiming to have no interest in how enginges are built. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote: If by works, you mean people leave the community, then you are correct. We all know what F in RTFM means. While we may not say it with those words anymore, we still often say it with the same abusive attitude. It's far more productive to say RTM than RTFM. I have, on occasion, used RTFM, ignoring the F; but not thinking about whether the reader would ignore it as well -- poor form on my part. I will certainly drop the F in the future. Why? Everybody knows the F stands for Fine :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
