Re: Removing fdisk and bsdlabel (legacy partition tools)
Quoting Cy Schubert : In message , Warner Losh writes: --b0adc9060fbe7411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 10:07=E2=80=AFPM Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <202401242347.40onlwkz099...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. > Grimes" > writes: > > > I would agree personally, to moving to ports (eg ports/sysutils) with > > > a DEPRECATED in the DESCR or something, or better yet a Make > > > invokation event to say "superceded, here is how to proceed against > > > advice") or something. > > > > They are totally useless as ports when your booted from install > > media and working from a standalone shell. These are the exact > > times you want things like fdisk and bsdlabel so you can figure > > out wtf is going on, and bsdinstall is NOT gona help you. > > This is certainly a good point. > What can they do that gpart can't do? This was quite a while ago, booted off my recovery USB attempting to repair some self caused damage. The ability to edit (vi) a file with starting addresses and lengths, visually using bsdlabel, was suited to my panicked state as I worked to recover the machine. A visual view of columns of a bsdlabel, editing a label using vi, checking and double checking numbers before committing them is handy.The visual format and the ability to adjust the numbers in an editor before committing them is handy. You can't do this with gpart, as it's transactional. And bsdinstall doesn't give one the opportunity to check the numbers in detail on a console before committing them. Maybe a good GSoC project may be to replace bsdlabel's driect writes to disk with geom calls. Though, t doesn't need to be bsdlabel, but some kind of utility that displays the existing label in an editor session where changes can be made, using the editor, and committed. This could even be an enhancement to bsdinstall: call it expert mode or whatever. well, I'v been there many times. There is another regular usecase, this time for fdisk for me, that ist repairing a windows boot disk. I have no idea of waht to use if not fdisk to do that, rather than booting linux to run fdisk for windows repairs. That in fact would be the only linux box, only to support windows... /rmd
Re: CDE on FreeBSD 14.0 Release
Hi, uh, I forgot the entry in services, thanks for the link:) Rolf Quoting Mario Marietto : I asked the same recently and I'd got a good answer,here : https://forums.FreeBSD.org/threads/cde-users-unite.85143/post-576559 On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:25 PM Rolf M. Dietze wrote: Hi, might be that I am on the wrong list for this, since my Problem exists on 14.0Release. After an out of the box install of FreeBSD 14.0 Release and following https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/setting-up-common-desktop-environment-for-modern-use.69475/ I am stuck with CDE. CDE loads, dtlogin starts an presents the login or greeter window, but upon logging in I get a popup telling "The desktop messaging system could not be started". Guess I am missing some config steps. Any pointer for further reading? I had CDE running on 13.2Release yours, Rolf -- Mario.
Re: CDE on FreeBSD 14.0 Release
Hi, sorry for this, user error... I did put a dtlogin_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf having the dtlogin copied to /usr/local/etc/rcd This did not work. Just having a /usr/local/dt/bin/dtlogin in /etc/rc.local as it is outlined in the link below, does work. Still, having an issue with dtspc upon startup, but CDE works fine /rmd Quoting "Rolf M. Dietze" : Hi, might be that I am on the wrong list for this, since my Problem exists on 14.0Release. After an out of the box install of FreeBSD 14.0 Release and following https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/setting-up-common-desktop-environment-for-modern-use.69475/ I am stuck with CDE. CDE loads, dtlogin starts an presents the login or greeter window, but upon logging in I get a popup telling "The desktop messaging system could not be started". Guess I am missing some config steps. Any pointer for further reading? I had CDE running on 13.2Release yours, Rolf
CDE on FreeBSD 14.0 Release
Hi, might be that I am on the wrong list for this, since my Problem exists on 14.0Release. After an out of the box install of FreeBSD 14.0 Release and following https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/setting-up-common-desktop-environment-for-modern-use.69475/ I am stuck with CDE. CDE loads, dtlogin starts an presents the login or greeter window, but upon logging in I get a popup telling "The desktop messaging system could not be started". Guess I am missing some config steps. Any pointer for further reading? I had CDE running on 13.2Release yours, Rolf
Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root
Quoting Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz>: On 22/09/2021 22:50, grarpamp wrote: propose to make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE Make it so. The whole rest of rc, pkg, base scripts and subsystems use a lot of sh, not csh. So this is a good compatibility, consistancy, and gotcha-removing update, needed for decades. Even "bash" is a majority spoken shell in Linux/world, helping make crossovers if BSD becomes a bit more bash-like. More bashism and linuxism in BSD world, you are waking the devil. The bsd sh feature updates are filling useful/needed capability gaps. Moving to sh without maintain the same history search behavior (start of the command and Up & Down arrows) are like cutting one leg. The (t)csh is what I really like on every FreeBSD machine. Never seen good configured bash (prompt + history search) on any other OS I ever visited. Not saying it is not possible but if FreeBSD will switch default shell to something else I expect to do it the way that it is more user friendly and powerful than on other OSes where everything is leaved to "users can customize it". Current state of sh behavior is really that "bad" way. we are talking of the default sehll for the root user. One does not really work as root user, but if son nothing stops who ever wants to to exec zsh or exec tcsh? Whoever wants is free to add other users with root pemissions is free to do so. Rolf M Dietze
