Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Feb 6, 2012 3:50 AM, Radio młodych bandytów radiomlodychbandy...@o2.pl wrote: I wonder if I'm the only one thinking about a decentralised package management First, a decentralised transport layer. Torrents are faster and more reliable than servers. Second, decentralised management when anybody can upload a port directly into the system. -- Twoje radio Such a system would need to support traditional protocols such as FTP HTTP due to many corporate environments not allowing anything else. I'm all for a distributed system but you can't forget the corporate users. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On 2012-02-06 08:40, Matt Thyer wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 3:50 AM, Radio młodych bandytów radiomlodychbandy...@o2.pl mailto:radiomlodychbandy...@o2.pl wrote: I wonder if I'm the only one thinking about a decentralised package management First, a decentralised transport layer. Torrents are faster and more reliable than servers. Second, decentralised management when anybody can upload a port directly into the system. -- Twoje radio Such a system would need to support traditional protocols such as FTP HTTP due to many corporate environments not allowing anything else. I'm all for a distributed system but you can't forget the corporate users. True. While some corporations are moving to P2P software distribution already, it's a long way before it becomes standard. -- Twoje radio ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
I wonder if I'm the only one thinking about a decentralised package management First, a decentralised transport layer. Torrents are faster and more reliable than servers. Second, decentralised management when anybody can upload a port directly into the system. -- Twoje radio ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
2012/2/5 Radio młodych bandytów radiomlodychbandy...@o2.pl: I wonder if I'm the only one thinking about a decentralised package management First, a decentralised transport layer. Torrents are faster and more reliable than servers. Second, decentralised management when anybody can upload a port directly into the system. You're not, but no-one has written one for FreeBSD yet /hint Chris ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
Hi Baptiste, On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). snip everything down I'll file an issue on github as well, but wanted to note it here, too. Seems pkgng segfaults reproducibly on powerpc, at least as pkg- static so it fails to even install. I'll post the backrace I got in the github issue. - Justin ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:39:30 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). [remainder of announcement snipped for brevity] A feature request: I've long wished that pkg_info -g would set the return value to indicate whether or not a package's plist contained any errors, rather than always returning 0. This would be extremely helpful when using pkg_info in a script. Thanks! -- Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On 30.01.2012 16:39, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? Hi, What about pkgng support in tinderbox? -- Andrey Zonov ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:23:35AM +0400, Andrey Zonov wrote: On 30.01.2012 16:39, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? Hi, What about pkgng support in tinderbox? beat and I are working on it, just some typos left to figure out, should be there pretty much soon. regards, Bapt pgpNG6QZgFMQC.pgp Description: PGP signature
[HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? Our current pkg_install tools are showing their age, are hard to maintain, and they lack features: - missing metadata - no upgrade support - no repository support - no fine dependency tracking - no modern binary package management - and many others Having old tools makes it hard to improve the ports infrastructure, as a result lots of hacks have found their way into the different Mk/bsd.*.mk files to work around pkg_install limitations plus there are lots of hacks in the packages metadata itself such as @comment which are not comments, and so forth. We have people writing tools to improve the situation (portmaster and portupgrade to name two), but they are limited by and can become quite complicated to maintain because of the pkg_install limitations. 2/ What it is? -- It is a tool that is designed to replace pkg_install and provide modern features to advance package management on FreeBSD. It has been done with compatibility in mind. Most of the ports tree are able to build on pkgng without modification (21500 successful packages is the highest pkgng score so far). The missing ones will be easily fixed with pkgng in ports. It has been done with ease of migration in mind. It is easy to migrate from pkg_install to pkgng. (Please note that going backwards is not possible.) It has been done with FreeBSD features in mind: it supports chroot, jails, rcng, etc. It has been done with scripting features in mind: 'pkg query' will allow you to query almost everything from the pkgng database in a script friendly way. It has been done with improvement in mind: it doesn't require a privileged account to create packages with root files in it; it is already able to package from a stage/fakeroot/name_it_like_you_want directory; it is also able to fake the package creation to directly install the package from that fake/stage/whatever directory. It has been done with human readability in mind: the new metadata is stored in YAML format; the plist keywords can be extended with YAML (for the ports). It has been our thinking that the pkg binary is not able to please everyone's needs, so it has been written on top of a library which can be used by any other third party tools. (Think about packagekit, or ruby binding for portupgrade for example, or any other usage like these). pkgng is the result of my long studies and reflection about packaging (studying what is done elsewhere: apt/dpkg, yum/rpm, pacman, aix, solaris, netbsd, openbsd) and how to have something that tries to take the good ideas from them, but tries not to take the *over engineered* complicated parts. And most importantly, tries to do it the FreeBSD way: which means it should work with the ports tree as-is (and help improve it in the future). 3/ Roadmap -- We plan a very long beta phase with lots of beta versions, released as often as possible to ease testing and help improve the tool as much as possible. The goal, now that we are in beta is to not break anything for users, which means that pkgng will be able to safely upgrade itself. (No real breakage occurred during the alpha phase; expect even less in beta.) Most of the big features are implemented, so now if you have a revolutionary idea that breaks everything, it won't find its way into pkgng 1.0. You can still provide it for pkgng 2.0. 1.0 is not revolutionary because of the way that it is full of workarounds to allow compatibility with the current ports tree. At some future time (TBD), once we have dropped pkg_install support, things will be able to move forward faster. pkgng will live in the ports tree, so it will evolve with the infrastructure, allowing us not to have to wait for the EOL of a release to be able to move forward to new features. The library API is currently not considered stable; it will be designated stable as of pkgng 2.0. Therefore, if you are going to use the library in a third party project, you can expect some breakage from time to time. Of course, we will avoid breakage as much as possible. The plan is to have pkgng 1.0 ready and rock solid for 10.0-RELEASE and 9.1-RELEASE. The more testers/contributors we have, the faster we can go, and the faster we go, the faster we can drop pkg_install and improve our port infrastructure. (Note: due to limitations in FreeBSD 7.x, we do not plan to backport there.) 4/ pkgng itself pkg add: add packages the old way (should be avoided by users) pkg audit: audit the installed packages for vulnerabilities pkg autoremove: interactively propose packages to be removed that were installed automatically (as a dependency) and not depended on anymore pkg check: check the installed packages database, prompting for inconsistency and proposing to try to fix it pkg clean: cleanup the package cache from binary installation (from repositories) pkg
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
Cool ! wen 2012/1/30 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? Our current pkg_install tools are showing their age, are hard to maintain, and they lack features: ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:43:58AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: Hi Baptiste, This looks great! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: Sample output of pkg info: $ pkg info -f libreoffice: Name : libreoffice Version: 3.4.4 Origin : editors/libreoffice Prefix : /usr/local Categories : editors Licenses : MPL LGPL3 Maintainer : off...@freebsd.org WWW: http://www.libreoffice.org/ Comment: Full integrated office productivity suite Options: DEBUG: off GNOME: off GTK: on JAVA: off KDE4: off MMEDIA: off PYUNO: off SDK: off SYSTRAY: off WEBDAV: off Flat size : 319 MB Description: LibreOffice is the free power-packed Open Source personal productivity suite for Windows, Macintosh and Linux, that gives you six feature-rich applications for all your document production and data processing needs: Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, Math and Base. WWW:http://www.libreoffice.org/ I haven't checked if `pkg query' can do this yet, but how about emitting the above output in YAML as well? It would still be very readable for humans. Anyway, I'll try this out. No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something like raw output for info or query) I do like the idea, please create an issue on the github :)) regards, Bapt pgpF4zg1P4Uiy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
Hi Baptiste, This looks great! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: Sample output of pkg info: $ pkg info -f libreoffice: Name : libreoffice Version: 3.4.4 Origin : editors/libreoffice Prefix : /usr/local Categories : editors Licenses : MPL LGPL3 Maintainer : off...@freebsd.org WWW: http://www.libreoffice.org/ Comment: Full integrated office productivity suite Options: DEBUG: off GNOME: off GTK: on JAVA: off KDE4: off MMEDIA: off PYUNO: off SDK: off SYSTRAY: off WEBDAV: off Flat size : 319 MB Description: LibreOffice is the free power-packed Open Source personal productivity suite for Windows, Macintosh and Linux, that gives you six feature-rich applications for all your document production and data processing needs: Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, Math and Base. WWW:http://www.libreoffice.org/ I haven't checked if `pkg query' can do this yet, but how about emitting the above output in YAML as well? It would still be very readable for humans. Anyway, I'll try this out. Jos -- Jos Backus jos at catnook.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something like raw output for info or query) I do like the idea, please create an issue on the github :)) regards, Bapt I just created issue #128, thanks Baptiste! Cheers, Jos -- Jos Backus jos at catnook.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:37AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something like raw output for info or query) I do like the idea, please create an issue on the github :)) regards, Bapt I just created issue #128, thanks Baptiste! Cheers, Jos The time you did that I implemented it :) pkg info -R will be in beta2. Thank you, regards, Bapt pgpHeVkA9PKhI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:39:30PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: [...] to use pkgng: echo WITH_PKGNG=yes /etc/make.conf make -C /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg install clean Some links: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/pkgng http://github.com/pkgng/pkgng Note that on github you can find a patch for portmaster (against 3.10) The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L528 And most stupid question for today - how do I actually tell portmaster to use pkgng after applying the patch? Thanks, Yuri pgpgyEl5n3IwB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: Set use_pkgng=yes in /usr/local/etc/portmaster.conf. Sorry, portmaster.rc. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer avi...@freebsd.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion -- George Washington signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L528 Please, take the patch from here: https://github.com/xzhavilla/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch It should be pulled into the main repository soon. And most stupid question for today - how do I actually tell portmaster to use pkgng after applying the patch? Set use_pkgng=yes in /usr/local/etc/portmaster.conf. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer avi...@freebsd.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla Depend on the rabbit's foot if you will, but remember, it didn't help the rabbit. -- R. E. Shay signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L528 Please, take the patch from here: https://github.com/xzhavilla/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch It should be pulled into the main repository soon. Just a quick note to say that I pushed some updates (now it works with portmaster 3.11 *only*) which have yet to be checked by pkgng masters, so, unless you want to test the new version, please get it from here: https://github.com/xzhavilla/pkgng/blob/64ec7f352964b186b08aaa6b480afce8da625cb4/ports/portmaster.patch -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer avi...@freebsd.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla Heisenberg may have slept here. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:37AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something like raw output for info or query) I do like the idea, please create an issue on the github :)) regards, Bapt I just created issue #128, thanks Baptiste! Cheers, Jos The time you did that I implemented it :) pkg info -R will be in beta2. Merci beaucoup :) Salut, Jos Thank you, regards, Bapt -- Jos Backus jos at catnook.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On 1/30/12 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? the name sucks though it would be good to fix it before it's built in everywhere. like windows NT, which it is no longer NT. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:16:00PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: On 1/30/12 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? the name sucks though it would be good to fix it before it's built in everywhere. like windows NT, which it is no longer NT. Well if you have better proposition, pkgng is just for now a code name :) the binary itself the library and the port are named simply pkg. bsd.pkgng.mk remain pkgng because when we will have pkg_install dead it will be merged into bsd.port.mk regards, Bapt pgpGEeTAvb7HD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 03:27:20AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L528 Please, take the patch from here: https://github.com/xzhavilla/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch It should be pulled into the main repository soon. Just a quick note to say that I pushed some updates (now it works with portmaster 3.11 *only*) which have yet to be checked by pkgng masters, so, unless you want to test the new version, please get it from here: https://github.com/xzhavilla/pkgng/blob/64ec7f352964b186b08aaa6b480afce8da625cb4/ports/portmaster.patch -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer avi...@freebsd.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla Heisenberg may have slept here. This has been merged thank you very much, portmaster 3.11 seems to be full working for me. regards, Bapt pgpptPCPZ7Ywi.pgp Description: PGP signature
