RE: Need a README to explain items in download directory
(Sorry, lost track of quoting) The style is okay, but I would suggest rearranging the order to demphasize the DVD with its quickly-obsolete packages. Media type is very important and should probably be mentioned first. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso- CD: Installer, FreeBSD OS FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - USB: Installer, FreeBSD OS, image for memory sticks FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - CD: Installer, installs from network FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - DVD: Installer, FreeBSD OS, many pre-compiled packages (large file) FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - CD: FreeBSD live CD for repairs For more information, consult the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-diff-media.html Anybody downloading the Bootonly image should already know what they're getting into. A lot of the people who needlessly download the DVD would be better off with bootonly. It's not any harder to install. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: (Sorry, lost track of quoting) The style is okay, but I would suggest rearranging the order to demphasize the DVD with its quickly-obsolete packages. Media type is very important and should probably be mentioned first. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - CD: Installer, FreeBSD OS FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - USB: Installer, FreeBSD OS, image for memory sticks FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - CD: Installer, installs from network FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - DVD: Installer, FreeBSD OS, many pre-compiled packages (large file) FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - CD: FreeBSD live CD for repairs For more information, consult the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-diff-media.html Anybody downloading the Bootonly image should already know what they're getting into. A lot of the people who needlessly download the DVD would be better off with bootonly. It's not any harder to install. Not necessarily true. Many people that pull down the DVD image may want the packages that correspond with the release version of the OS, for various reasons ;).. Thanks, -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Need a README to explain items in download directory
From: owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chris Brennan On 9/3/2011 7:12 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Craig Rodrigues rodr...@crodrigues.org mailto:rodr...@crodrigues.org wrote: For this line: (1) FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection Does this mean that this ISO has the minimal stuff to boot, and then do an install by downloading packages over the Internet? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking. :) What this should have said was that it is a *boot-to-installer* only ISO image, designed to be burned to optical media. A *network* connection is required (LAN/WAN depending on where you will be installing from) *or* you will have to provide a 'local source[1]' for the install to pull BASE packages from. [1] Local source can be an NFS mounted partition, local hard-drive with the base packages, etc... where-ever the BASE install files are located. While such wording may be helpful to a new user over completely absent directions, it's technically flawed. You don't need an internet connection, but rather a network connection or some other form of installation media. You are correct Adam. I was a little too basic. If such a README is to be implemented, I could find myself writing some correct descriptions ... perhaps a pr is in order? Honestly, the person who needs to read that README file isn't the person who is going to care about nitpicky details on exactly what each file is. He just wants to know which one will get him a FreeBSD system without a massive headache. A better README might look like: = FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE Images FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - Installer and full OS, DVD, Best Choice for Beginners FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso- Installer and base OS, CD, For all people without DVD drives FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer and base OS, USB Memory Sticks, Advanced users FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso- Installer only, CD, For Advanced users FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, for repairs, for Advanced users For more information, consult the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-diff-media.html = Anybody downloading the Bootonly image should already know what they're getting into. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
On 9/3/2011 5:11 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Initial boot, fits on CD, requires disc 1 FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso- Installer, fits on CD, requires bootonly FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz- Complete installer, fits on DVD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso- Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick Your on the right track, lets be a little more verbose/correct 1. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection 2. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - Full Installer, includes all files to install base. 3. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - DID-sized image, includes Base+Packages (not entire collection) 4. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery # Good Enough 5. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick # Same as above That wordy page you skimmed over, I believe it explains what these all do. It's great that your interested in FreeBSD, but keep in mind, FreeBSD isn't for the lighthearted or impatient and reading is a necessity. The handbook is almost required reading, it will answer almost all of your very basic questions. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On 9/3/2011 5:11 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Initial boot, fits on CD, requires disc 1 FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - Installer, fits on CD, requires bootonly FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - Complete installer, fits on DVD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick Your on the right track, lets be a little more verbose/correct 1. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection 2. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - Full Installer, includes all files to install base. 3. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - DID-sized image, includes Base+Packages (not entire collection) 4. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery # Good Enough 5. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick # Same as above That wordy page you skimmed over, I believe it explains what these all do. It's great that your interested in FreeBSD, but keep in mind, FreeBSD isn't for the lighthearted or impatient and reading is a necessity. The handbook is almost required reading, it will answer almost all of your very basic questions. I agree, but it probably should be simplified in the downloads page, using the following categories, instead of using a README file: 1. LiveCD 2. DVD 3. USB http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora might be a good start for what to write, as well as http://www.ubuntu.com/download (the Ubuntu site is incredibly user friendly -- I would choose that over the Fedora site). Thanks! -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
Hi, We need to have a small README in the ftp directory, *and* we need to streamline the downloads web page. Some people go directly to ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/ to get at the download media without reading the web page, so the small README in the ftp directory is still useful. Agree with you totally about the user friendliness of the ubuntu download page. I don't have enough web skills to contribute in that area to make our page better. -- Craig Rodrigues rodr...@crodrigues.org On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On 9/3/2011 5:11 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Initial boot, fits on CD, requires disc 1 FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - Installer, fits on CD, requires bootonly FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - Complete installer, fits on DVD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick Your on the right track, lets be a little more verbose/correct 1. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection 2. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - Full Installer, includes all files to install base. 3. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - DID-sized image, includes Base+Packages (not entire collection) 4. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery # Good Enough 5. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick # Same as above That wordy page you skimmed over, I believe it explains what these all do. It's great that your interested in FreeBSD, but keep in mind, FreeBSD isn't for the lighthearted or impatient and reading is a necessity. The handbook is almost required reading, it will answer almost all of your very basic questions. I agree, but it probably should be simplified in the downloads page, using the following categories, instead of using a README file: 1. LiveCD 2. DVD 3. USB http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora might be a good start for what to write, as well as http://www.ubuntu.com/download (the Ubuntu site is incredibly user friendly -- I would choose that over the Fedora site). Thanks! -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
Hi, Thanks. Your text is better than mine, and I actually learned something from it. :) For this line: (1) FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection Does this mean that this ISO has the minimal stuff to boot, and then do an install by downloading packages over the Internet? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking. :) Do you understand enough of the release makefiles under src/release/ to propose a patch to include your README? I am not up to speed on how the release scripts figure out what files to copy to the ftp directory. BTW, I am a FreeBSD src committer, and am working on adding a section to the FreeBSD handbook, so I am quite familiar with those things. :) I am just trying to propose minor ideas to make it easier for new users to figure out how to download and install FreeBSD. :) -- Craig Rodrigues rodr...@crodrigues.org On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Your on the right track, lets be a little more verbose/correct 1. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection 2. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso - Full Installer, includes all files to install base. 3. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz - DID-sized image, includes Base+Packages (not entire collection) 4. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso - Live file system, boot and run off of CD/DVD, used for recovery # Good Enough 5. FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img - Installer for USB memory stick # Same as above That wordy page you skimmed over, I believe it explains what these all do. It's great that your interested in FreeBSD, but keep in mind, FreeBSD isn't for the lighthearted or impatient and reading is a necessity. The handbook is almost required reading, it will answer almost all of your very basic questions. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
On 9/3/2011 6:36 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora might be a good start for what to write, as well as http://www.ubuntu.com/download (the Ubuntu site is incredibly user friendly -- I would choose that over the Fedora site). Thanks! -Garrett Personally, I wouldn't choose either of these, but that's just a preference, I like neither of them as a project. FreeBSD, Debian or Gentoo would be my choices. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Craig Rodrigues rodr...@crodrigues.orgwrote: For this line: (1) FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection Does this mean that this ISO has the minimal stuff to boot, and then do an install by downloading packages over the Internet? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking. :) While such wording may be helpful to a new user over completely absent directions, it's technically flawed. You don't need an internet connection, but rather a network connection or some other form of installation media. /nitpick -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need a README to explain items in download directory
On 9/3/2011 7:12 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Craig Rodrigues rodr...@crodrigues.org mailto:rodr...@crodrigues.org wrote: For this line: (1) FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso - Requires an Internet Connection Does this mean that this ISO has the minimal stuff to boot, and then do an install by downloading packages over the Internet? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking. :) What this should have said was that it is a *boot-to-installer* only ISO image, designed to be burned to optical media. A *network* connection is required (LAN/WAN depending on where you will be installing from) *or* you will have to provide a 'local source[1]' for the install to pull BASE packages from. [1] Local source can be an NFS mounted partition, local hard-drive with the base packages, etc... where-ever the BASE install files are located. While such wording may be helpful to a new user over completely absent directions, it's technically flawed. You don't need an internet connection, but rather a network connection or some other form of installation media. You are correct Adam. I was a little too basic. If such a README is to be implemented, I could find myself writing some correct descriptions ... perhaps a pr is in order? -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
