Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[M. Warner Losh]

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Daniel Eischen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: It's just a joke at my own expense.  Sorry to imply otherwise.

Yea.  My snapping at you was out of line.  I'm just a little
frustrated and let it get the better of me.  Please forgive me.

Warner
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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Daniel Eischen]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote:

> In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Daniel Eischen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : Can you add a "no -pthread" symbol to it?
> 
> Can you give it a rest?  You made a bad call, people are giving you
> grief for it.  That is not a bikeshed.

It's just a joke at my own expense.  Sorry to imply otherwise.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[M. Warner Losh]

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: Can you add a "no -pthread" symbol to it?

Can you give it a rest?  You made a bad call, people are giving you
grief for it.  That is not a bikeshed.

Warner
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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Daniel Eischen]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 1:29 AM -0400 2003/09/21, Daniel Eischen wrote:
> 
> >  Can you add a "no -pthread" symbol to it?
> 
>   I could do up an ash grey t-shirt with slightly modified graphics.
> 
>   What would a "no -pthread" symbol look like?

I'd imagine a thread would look like:

/
   /
   \
\
 \
 /
/
   /
 
or something like that.  I'm sure Terry could draw much better ASCI
art.  Then you'd want a circle around it with a bar thru it ;-)

My question was retorical, BTW.  Don't really spend any time
drawing one :-)

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:29 AM -0400 2003/09/21, Daniel Eischen wrote:

 Can you add a "no -pthread" symbol to it?
	I could do up an ash grey t-shirt with slightly modified graphics.

	What would a "no -pthread" symbol look like?

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Daniel Eischen]

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 1:05 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> 
> >  I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one,
> >  you'll probably have to make it yourself.   I can ask the company
> >  which produced them if they will be willing to ship abroad, but I
> >  doubt they are set up for that sort of thing.
> 
>   Per request, I have updated my version of the "FreeBSD No 
> Bikeshed" t-shirt at 
> .  I removed 
> the "BSDCon'03" text at the bottom and replaced it with "No Bikeshed".
> 
>   The slightly modified graphics I created for this shirt are 
> available at 
>  
> and 
> , 
> under the same "No Bikeshed" license under which PHK released the 
> original versions.

Can you add a "no -pthread" symbol to it?

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:05 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one,
 you'll probably have to make it yourself.   I can ask the company
 which produced them if they will be willing to ship abroad, but I
 doubt they are set up for that sort of thing.
	Per request, I have updated my version of the "FreeBSD No 
Bikeshed" t-shirt at 
.  I removed 
the "BSDCon'03" text at the bottom and replaced it with "No Bikeshed".

	The slightly modified graphics I created for this shirt are 
available at 
 
and 
, 
under the same "No Bikeshed" license under which PHK released the 
original versions.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:02 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 You misunderstood:

 "Yes, it is absolutely OK for you do print T-shirts, mugs, or anything
 else you might want to use it on."
	Sorry for the confusion.  My version is now back at 
.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:02 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

  Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, it should be down in a few minutes.
 You misunderstood:

 "Yes, it is absolutely OK for you do print T-shirts, mugs, or anything
 else you might want to use it on."
	Sorry about that.  Originally I wasn't sure, but on thinking 
about it some more, I felt more confident that you had meant 
something else.  I guess I over-analyzed your response.

	I'll put the shirt back up in a few minutes.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Poul-Henning Kamp]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Knowles writes:
>At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
>>  Yes, absolutely.
>
>   Okay, it should be down in a few minutes.

You misunderstood:

"Yes, it is absolutely OK for you do print T-shirts, mugs, or anything
else you might want to use it on."


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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:17 PM -0300 2003/09/11, Daniel C. Sobral wrote:

 Yes. Maybe we should remove Brad's commit bit until he puts the
 t-shirt up again??? :-)
	I concede that I may have mis-interpreted PHK's response, but 
before I consider putting the shirt design back up, I need to get 
explicit confirmation from him that this is okay.

	I thought about whether or not this was a mis-interpretation or 
not, but he's usually pretty careful about trimming the quote to 
which he is responding.  I would have expected him to omit the last 
sentence of that paragraph if his response was positive, but since he 
kept it, I concluded that he was against the idea.

	The images should probably have a copyright statement attached to 
them, and specify under what kind of license they may be distributed 
under.  I can add that to the PNGs I generated (at PHK's direction), 
or he can re-generate the source files from which I will work.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Daniel C. Sobral]

David Schwartz wrote:

At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:


Yes, absolutely.


	Okay, it should be down in a few minutes.


If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to
others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own
CafePress shop, as one of the easiest ways to quickly take any image
you want and put it on a wide variety of different products from
t-shirts, hats, aprons, mugs, and a whole host of others.


I interpreted his "Yes, absolutely" to be a grant of permission. I think he
was replying to the first sentance, not the second.
Yes. Maybe we should remove Brad's commit bit until he puts the t-shirt 
up again??? :-)

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Daniel C. Sobral]

Brad Knowles wrote:

At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 Yes, absolutely.


Okay, it should be down in a few minutes.

If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to 
others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own 
CafePress shop, as one of the easiest ways to quickly take any image you 
want and put it on a wide variety of different products from t-shirts, 
hats, aprons, mugs, and a whole host of others.
Err, Brad... I'm pretty sure PH was answering the first sentence, not 
the second. :-) Well, maybe you get to buy him a beer if you really like 
the t-shirt. :-)

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Andrew Thompson]

Brad Knowles wrote:
At 2:00 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Brad Knowles wrote:

 Problem solved.  See . Note
 that these are being sold at cost (something any other CafePress
 member can confirm).


Per PHK's request, I am taking this down.
My interpretation of phk's reply was that you could, you may want to 
check again.

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RE: The bikeshed T-shirt

[David Schwartz]

> At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> >  Yes, absolutely.

>   Okay, it should be down in a few minutes.

>   If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to
> others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own
> CafePress shop, as one of the easiest ways to quickly take any image
> you want and put it on a wide variety of different products from
> t-shirts, hats, aprons, mugs, and a whole host of others.

I interpreted his "Yes, absolutely" to be a grant of permission. I think he
was replying to the first sentance, not the second.

DS


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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:00 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Brad Knowles wrote:

Problem solved.  See . Note
 that these are being sold at cost (something any other CafePress
 member can confirm).
	Per PHK's request, I am taking this down.

The PNG version I created is at
 .
	I will leave my PNG version of the bikeshed graphic in place, 
unless I get another request from PHK to remove it.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, it should be down in a few minutes.

	If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to 
others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own 
CafePress shop, as one of the easiest ways to quickly take any image 
you want and put it on a wide variety of different products from 
t-shirts, hats, aprons, mugs, and a whole host of others.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Poul-Henning Kamp]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Knowles writes:

>   I have interpreted your post to mean that it's okay for other 
>people to print up t-shirts, based on this image.  However, if you 
>prefer that I take this down, just let me know.

Yes, absolutely.

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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:05 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one,
 you'll probably have to make it yourself.   I can ask the company
 which produced them if they will be willing to ship abroad, but I
 doubt they are set up for that sort of thing.
	Problem solved.  See . 
Note that these are being sold at cost (something any other CafePress 
member can confirm).

 The xfig source is here:
http://phk.frebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.fig
http://phk.frebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.pdf
	The PNG version I created is at 
.

 Enjoy...
	I have interpreted your post to mean that it's okay for other 
people to print up t-shirts, based on this image.  However, if you 
prefer that I take this down, just let me know.

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RE: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)]

Cool!

BTW, the real links are:

http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.fig
http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.pdf

...but I would have used a blue bicycle and a white roof.

;-)

John

> -Original Message-
> From: Poul-Henning Kamp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: The bikeshed T-shirt
> 
> 
> 
> The bikeshed T-shirt which has been referred about was only produced
> in 5 copies and I hadn't really expected that so many people would
> ask me about it.
> 
> I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one,
> you'll probably have to make it yourself.   I can ask the company
> which produced them if they will be willing to ship abroad, but I
> doubt they are set up for that sort of thing.
> 
> The xfig source is here:
>   http://phk.frebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.fig
>   http://phk.frebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.pdf
> 
> Enjoy...
> 
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Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

[Robert Watson]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> The bikeshed T-shirt which has been referred about was only produced in
> 5 copies and I hadn't really expected that so many people would ask me
> about it. 
> 
> I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one,
> you'll probably have to make it yourself.  I can ask the company which
> produced them if they will be willing to ship abroad, but I doubt they
> are set up for that sort of thing. 
> 
> The xfig source is here: 
>   http://phk.frebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.fig
>   http://phk.frebsd.dk/misc/bsdcon03.pdf
> 
> Enjoy... 

Note: before making a t-shirt, be sure to modify the image and select your
favorite bikeshed color.

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