Re: SMPng manager's responsibilities (was: Patch for critical_enter()/critical_exit() & interrupt assem)

2002-03-07 Thread Greg Lehey

On Thursday,  7 March 2002 at 16:43:40 -0800, David Greenman wrote:
>> On Thursday,  7 March 2002 at 13:19:05 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, David Greenman wrote:
>>>
> No, Core has just said that he doesn't because he can over-rule any change
> in the kernel. And there is no requirement for him to justify it.

That is definately *NOT* what core has said. Please go re-read our
 announcement of the SMPng tech lead appointment. We specifically indicate
 that the tech lead is obligated to provide justification for any decisions
 that he may make.
>>>
>>> So, where is it?
>>
>> *sigh* It's not explicitly in the statement.  I mentioned this point
>> in core, and got the reply:
>
>I think Julian is asking for John's justification, not our appointment
> message.

Ah, sorry.

Greg
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Re: SMPng manager's responsibilities (was: Patch for critical_enter()/critical_exit() & interrupt assem)

2002-03-07 Thread David Greenman

>On Thursday,  7 March 2002 at 13:19:05 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, David Greenman wrote:
>>
 No, Core has just said that he doesn't because he can over-rule any change
 in the kernel. And there is no requirement for him to justify it.
>>>
>>>That is definately *NOT* what core has said. Please go re-read our
>>> announcement of the SMPng tech lead appointment. We specifically indicate
>>> that the tech lead is obligated to provide justification for any decisions
>>> that he may make.
>>
>> So, where is it?
>
>*sigh* It's not explicitly in the statement.  I mentioned this point
>in core, and got the reply:

   I think Julian is asking for John's justification, not our appointment
message.

-DG

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SMPng manager's responsibilities (was: Patch for critical_enter()/critical_exit() & interrupt assem)

2002-03-07 Thread Greg Lehey

On Thursday,  7 March 2002 at 13:19:05 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, David Greenman wrote:
>
>>> No, Core has just said that he doesn't because he can over-rule any change
>>> in the kernel. And there is no requirement for him to justify it.
>>
>>That is definately *NOT* what core has said. Please go re-read our
>> announcement of the SMPng tech lead appointment. We specifically indicate
>> that the tech lead is obligated to provide justification for any decisions
>> that he may make.
>
> So, where is it?

*sigh* It's not explicitly in the statement.  I mentioned this point
in core, and got the reply:

>>> Core recognizes John Baldwin's continued hard work on the SMPng
>>> project over the last 18 months.  John has been informally directing
>>> the SMPng project for some time and we would like to formalize the
>>> arrangement.  We are officially recognizing him as technical lead and
>>> he will be the final arbiter of technical issues relating to SMPng.
>>
>> I think we should say that he is responsible to core for his
>> decisions.  That would deflate some of dillon's objections.
>
> That goes without saying.  Sigh.  I'm getting tired of putting that in
> every last damn thing we do.

This is not a differences of direction within core.  We had a long
discussion, and in the end it's a question of formulation.  As I
feared, this particular issue has been dragged up again.  The text
quoted above was version 5 of the draft.  The final statement
contained the additional text

  He has the authority to take those actions necessary to keep the
  SMPng effort on track, similar to the Security Officer's authority
  in the area of security.

If you look back to *that* charter, you'll see that the SO is also
responsible to core.

Greg
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