Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
Doug Barton writes:
> > /me officially gives up with that libreoffice port, open for
> > new volunteers
>
> If you don't have time to work on the port, then don't, that's
> not a problem. But throwing a hissy fit here doesn't help at all.
Cut tha man some slack.
As far as I can tell, he's been point - and often _only_ -
person wrangling the herd of 250 pound cats that is LibreOffice (and
posibly OpenOffice before that).
At this he has done a superior job. However, there has
recently been {subtle, tenacious} breakage that a) is not his fault,
b) he's gotten a lot of complaints about from people who don't
understand what's involved (you're not on that list), even though c)
he's been working hard to find and fix the problem.
If he wants a moment to vent, and maybe ask "is this worth it?"
... he's earned it.
Robert Huff
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Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
on 05/07/2012 08:19 Waitman Gobble said the following: > I can create and submit a port for libreoffice 3.6.0.0 if anyone is > interested in trying the "beta" version. Might take a few days. Still working > on it. We have mailing list off...@freebsd.org for people who are interested in openoffice, libreoffice, etc. Thank you for your work! -- Andriy Gapon ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote .. > On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:59:03AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > > On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: > > > I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. > > > I have both gstreamer and boost installed now. > > > > > > > > > We use FreeBSD 9.0STABLE and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT (both amd64). > > > > devel/boost-lib gets reeled in now by editors/libreoffice by default, so > > it doesn't need to be installed explicitely. > > > > I saw a patch flushed in yesterday, submitted by bapt@. This patch also > > installs LLVM/CLANG from the ports - with ASSERTS deactivated. > > > > I have on both systems, FreeBSD 9 and 10, LLVM/CLANG 3.1 as the standard > > backend compiler, I guess this version has the suspected ASSERTS activated. > > > > Why another LLVM port? We already have LLVM/CLANG in the base system (9 > > and 19). If the ASSERTS proble is the cause for breaks reported on the > > list and elsewhere on the net, why isn't the maintainer still stuck on > > the "old" version? > > > > I just managed it to install the prior version on broken systems and was > > really lucky having LibreOffice working again. But the other day I was > > bothered by the next non-working version and now I have lots of > > notebooks remaining with NO LibreOffice on FBSD 9-STABLE. > > > > This is not what I expect from quality securing! It is simply a mess and > > definitely another reason and point for the thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD". > > > > ___ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > sure libreoffice is so easy to port... > > /me officially gives up with that libreoffice port, open for new volunteers > > bapt LibreOffice is pretty massive. I've spent much of the day working on building 3.6.0.0 on 10-CURRENT with gcc48 and openjdk6. I have been using AbiWord but the word-wrap is crazy. Try writing a novel with weird word breaks and moving paragraphs and it's driving me koo-koo pants. Also it does not appear to do right-left opposing margins. I was interested in building AbiWord dev on my machine but the dev team seems very MS-centric, much of a chore using their HEAD. Gnumeric works great, I have successfully interoperated, no urgent issues. on to LibreOffice... I can create and submit a port for libreoffice 3.6.0.0 if anyone is interested in trying the "beta" version. Might take a few days. Still working on it. At the moment, there is one small change to configure.in. It stubbornly demands libclucene-core instead of libclucene. Most of the libraries are built from ports, then using --with-system-foo in autogen.sh -- Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA -- Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
On 07/04/2012 15:02, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > The thing, as I see it, is that people have to understand > this is a volunteer project and if people don't do things > by themselves they really can't demand someone else to > do it for them. Of course. But that's totally different from, "I don't use FreeBSD because it doesn't offer $feature, which is important to me." Don't forget the original purpose of this thread. :) -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
Just IMHO; --- Mer 4/7/12, Doug Barton ha scritto: ... > >> > >> This is not what I expect from quality securing! It > >> is simply a mess and definitely another reason > >> and point for the thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD". > > > > sure libreoffice is so easy to port... > > > > /me officially gives up with that libreoffice port, > > open for new volunteers > > If you don't have time to work on the port, then don't, > that's not a problem. But throwing a hissy fit here > doesn't help at all. Even on paid jobs, people always have the right to quit. The thing, as I see it, is that people have to understand this is a volunteer project and if people don't do things by themselves they really can't demand someone else to do it for them. > It's a plain fact that a working office suite is a basic > requirement for most desktop users. If _we_ can't provide > that (note, not you, personally, we, as a > project), it's a valid reason for users to avoid FreeBSD for > desktop use. > The system is as strong as it's weakest link. There are perfectly good office suites for FreeBSD and even then for some of us that is not enough to use FreeBSD (or linux) as a desktop. > If we're ever going to make progress in this area we > have to be willing to examine and absorb facts; and > then act accordingly. > If people think a particular office suite is critical then *they* have to spend time on it. If no one has the time or skills then maybe it's not that important at all. Pedro. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/03/2012 11:34, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:59:03AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: >>> I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. >>> I have both gstreamer and boost installed now. >>> >> >> >> We use FreeBSD 9.0STABLE and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT (both amd64). >> >> devel/boost-lib gets reeled in now by editors/libreoffice by default, so >> it doesn't need to be installed explicitely. >> >> I saw a patch flushed in yesterday, submitted by bapt@. This patch also >> installs LLVM/CLANG from the ports - with ASSERTS deactivated. >> >> I have on both systems, FreeBSD 9 and 10, LLVM/CLANG 3.1 as the standard >> backend compiler, I guess this version has the suspected ASSERTS activated. >> >> Why another LLVM port? We already have LLVM/CLANG in the base system (9 >> and 19). If the ASSERTS proble is the cause for breaks reported on the >> list and elsewhere on the net, why isn't the maintainer still stuck on >> the "old" version? >> >> I just managed it to install the prior version on broken systems and was >> really lucky having LibreOffice working again. But the other day I was >> bothered by the next non-working version and now I have lots of >> notebooks remaining with NO LibreOffice on FBSD 9-STABLE. >> >> This is not what I expect from quality securing! It is simply a mess and >> definitely another reason and point for the thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD". > > sure libreoffice is so easy to port... > > /me officially gives up with that libreoffice port, open for new volunteers If you don't have time to work on the port, then don't, that's not a problem. But throwing a hissy fit here doesn't help at all. It's a plain fact that a working office suite is a basic requirement for most desktop users. If _we_ can't provide that (note, not you, personally, we, as a project), it's a valid reason for users to avoid FreeBSD for desktop use. If we're ever going to make progress in this area we have to be willing to examine and absorb facts; and then act accordingly. Doug - -- This .signature sanitized for your protection -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJP9LQnAAoJEFzGhvEaGryEYk4H/0TcxjVnax0xgrt4/3WMvwWU t/GNQ7Fws3EJSrZN2vB3LSnmwRv7UbkmotXLzirS+f/SmwREUH0677DV3EFlxuxx WvXvtYexu4XHWOeODZi5m8crbNUM94HLnwTfo2gecMah+eL6M46EoBAfCJT4NtUD 1AYIsZTpiEqEvLHJCNj+Mwt0YiH3XxAdRhhfSMolKBm7B6lqOsEA5cEnA2QTWBWI bDeUB8hZuW1q6O5U60xdTZMjDQNGroVg6nuCtTihXj7/DWKR41Wgzezh14qFKs7m Hki/eRGzQA3DTLKuf51PY+FO7epBeWC5YCNxe52ASqU+pKdUYpfS3vCw3BmbqPg= =4Mp6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:59:03AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: > On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: > > I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. > > I have both gstreamer and boost installed now. > > > > > We use FreeBSD 9.0STABLE and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT (both amd64). > > devel/boost-lib gets reeled in now by editors/libreoffice by default, so > it doesn't need to be installed explicitely. > > I saw a patch flushed in yesterday, submitted by bapt@. This patch also > installs LLVM/CLANG from the ports - with ASSERTS deactivated. > > I have on both systems, FreeBSD 9 and 10, LLVM/CLANG 3.1 as the standard > backend compiler, I guess this version has the suspected ASSERTS activated. > > Why another LLVM port? We already have LLVM/CLANG in the base system (9 > and 19). If the ASSERTS proble is the cause for breaks reported on the > list and elsewhere on the net, why isn't the maintainer still stuck on > the "old" version? > > I just managed it to install the prior version on broken systems and was > really lucky having LibreOffice working again. But the other day I was > bothered by the next non-working version and now I have lots of > notebooks remaining with NO LibreOffice on FBSD 9-STABLE. > > This is not what I expect from quality securing! It is simply a mess and > definitely another reason and point for the thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD". > > ___ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" sure libreoffice is so easy to port... /me officially gives up with that libreoffice port, open for new volunteers bapt pgpbzelHb1oea.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
On 07/03/12 12:30, Chris Rees wrote: > On Jul 3, 2012 10:00 AM, "Hartmann, O." wrote: >> >> On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: >>> I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. >>> I have both gstreamer and boost installed now. >>> >> >> >> We use FreeBSD 9.0STABLE and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT (both amd64). >> >> devel/boost-lib gets reeled in now by editors/libreoffice by default, so >> it doesn't need to be installed explicitely. >> >> I saw a patch flushed in yesterday, submitted by bapt@. This patch also >> installs LLVM/CLANG from the ports - with ASSERTS deactivated. >> >> I have on both systems, FreeBSD 9 and 10, LLVM/CLANG 3.1 as the standard >> backend compiler, I guess this version has the suspected ASSERTS > activated. >> >> Why another LLVM port? We already have LLVM/CLANG in the base system (9 >> and 19). If the ASSERTS proble is the cause for breaks reported on the >> list and elsewhere on the net, why isn't the maintainer still stuck on >> the "old" version? >> >> I just managed it to install the prior version on broken systems and was >> really lucky having LibreOffice working again. But the other day I was >> bothered by the next non-working version and now I have lots of >> notebooks remaining with NO LibreOffice on FBSD 9-STABLE. >> >> This is not what I expect from quality securing! It is simply a mess and >> definitely another reason and point for the thread "Why NOT using > FreeBSD". > > For anyone struggling with the new version of libreoffice, I made a package > for 9/amd64. > > http://www.bayofrum.net/tb/packages/9-local/All/libreoffice-3.5.4.tbz > > Setting up a Tinderbox is easy, and will fix the problems you are having. > > Please heed advice before shouting and blaming about problems. > > Chris > Thank you very much for the package, I'll try it and report back in. Oliver ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
On Jul 3, 2012 10:00 AM, "Hartmann, O." wrote: > > On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: > > I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. > > I have both gstreamer and boost installed now. > > > > > We use FreeBSD 9.0STABLE and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT (both amd64). > > devel/boost-lib gets reeled in now by editors/libreoffice by default, so > it doesn't need to be installed explicitely. > > I saw a patch flushed in yesterday, submitted by bapt@. This patch also > installs LLVM/CLANG from the ports - with ASSERTS deactivated. > > I have on both systems, FreeBSD 9 and 10, LLVM/CLANG 3.1 as the standard > backend compiler, I guess this version has the suspected ASSERTS activated. > > Why another LLVM port? We already have LLVM/CLANG in the base system (9 > and 19). If the ASSERTS proble is the cause for breaks reported on the > list and elsewhere on the net, why isn't the maintainer still stuck on > the "old" version? > > I just managed it to install the prior version on broken systems and was > really lucky having LibreOffice working again. But the other day I was > bothered by the next non-working version and now I have lots of > notebooks remaining with NO LibreOffice on FBSD 9-STABLE. > > This is not what I expect from quality securing! It is simply a mess and > definitely another reason and point for the thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD". For anyone struggling with the new version of libreoffice, I made a package for 9/amd64. http://www.bayofrum.net/tb/packages/9-local/All/libreoffice-3.5.4.tbz Setting up a Tinderbox is easy, and will fix the problems you are having. Please heed advice before shouting and blaming about problems. Chris ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:
On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: > I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. > I have both gstreamer and boost installed now. > We use FreeBSD 9.0STABLE and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT (both amd64). devel/boost-lib gets reeled in now by editors/libreoffice by default, so it doesn't need to be installed explicitely. I saw a patch flushed in yesterday, submitted by bapt@. This patch also installs LLVM/CLANG from the ports - with ASSERTS deactivated. I have on both systems, FreeBSD 9 and 10, LLVM/CLANG 3.1 as the standard backend compiler, I guess this version has the suspected ASSERTS activated. Why another LLVM port? We already have LLVM/CLANG in the base system (9 and 19). If the ASSERTS proble is the cause for breaks reported on the list and elsewhere on the net, why isn't the maintainer still stuck on the "old" version? I just managed it to install the prior version on broken systems and was really lucky having LibreOffice working again. But the other day I was bothered by the next non-working version and now I have lots of notebooks remaining with NO LibreOffice on FBSD 9-STABLE. This is not what I expect from quality securing! It is simply a mess and definitely another reason and point for the thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD". ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
