bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

2011-03-21 Thread Michael Reifenberger

Hi,
yesterday I tested the images listed in the subject and have the following 
remarks:


- At least the memstick image contains an empty fstab
- Does the usage of a dangerously dedikated disklabel give any advantage?
- The usage of an UFS-Label for root mounting should be more flexible
- The first dialog step should set the keyboard layout
- The /etc is not writable which would greatly reduce the usefulness for the ISO
  image (no modified resolv.conf, sshd_config, ...)

The usage of a nanobsd based base-installation would give a sufficient 
advanced Live-OS installation.


You could take a look into src/tools/tools/nanobsd/rescue where I tried to 
address most of the issues above primary for rescuing GPT/ZFS installations 
(with still hardcoded keyboard though).


With two nanobsd slices on one memstick you can actually produce combined 
i386/and64 Live-OS memsticks...

I get both on a 2GiB memstick (Without packages).

What do you think?

Bye/2
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Re: bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

2011-03-21 Thread Michael Reifenberger

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Lars Engels wrote:


Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:04:28 +0100
From: Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net
To: Michael Reifenberger m...@reifenberger.com
Cc: Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org,
FreeBSD-Current curr...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:25:36AM +0100, Michael Reifenberger wrote:

Hi,
yesterday I tested the images listed in the subject and have the following
remarks:

- At least the memstick image contains an empty fstab
- Does the usage of a dangerously dedikated disklabel give any advantage?
- The usage of an UFS-Label for root mounting should be more flexible

- UFS-labeling does not work

I let bsdinstall partition the disk automatically and edited the
proposed partitions to add labels, but after the first boot, neither
fstab nor /dev/label showed any labels.



I did not mean to use UFS-Labels for the bsdinstall partitioner.
I meant the use of UFS-Labels for the memstick image itself.

BTW:
The UFS labels should show up under /dev/ufs/...
The cd9660 labels should show up under /dev/cd9660/...

Bye/2
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Re: bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

2011-03-21 Thread Lars Engels
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:25:36AM +0100, Michael Reifenberger wrote:
 Hi,
 yesterday I tested the images listed in the subject and have the following 
 remarks:
 
 - At least the memstick image contains an empty fstab
 - Does the usage of a dangerously dedikated disklabel give any advantage?
 - The usage of an UFS-Label for root mounting should be more flexible
- UFS-labeling does not work

I let bsdinstall partition the disk automatically and edited the
proposed partitions to add labels, but after the first boot, neither
fstab nor /dev/label showed any labels.


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Re: bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

2011-03-21 Thread Nathan Whitehorn

On 03/21/11 03:25, Michael Reifenberger wrote:

Hi,
yesterday I tested the images listed in the subject and have the 
following remarks:


- At least the memstick image contains an empty fstab


The memstick stuff is new and (mostly) untested, so I'll check that out.

- Does the usage of a dangerously dedikated disklabel give any 
advantage?


Not that I can think of -- I'm not sure about maximum disk sizes for 
pure BSD-label disks. It's a legitimate option, though, for people doing 
manual configuration.



- The usage of an UFS-Label for root mounting should be more flexible


Yes. It is somewhat difficult however, to cross-correlate gpart labels 
for GPT, APM, and PC98, with the labeled provider names (the label is 
not UFS labels, but gpart ones).



- The first dialog step should set the keyboard layout


That *is* the first step.

- The /etc is not writable which would greatly reduce the usefulness 
for the ISO

  image (no modified resolv.conf, sshd_config, ...)


This is only partly true. /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink into /tmp, which 
allows DHCP and network configuration to work.


The usage of a nanobsd based base-installation would give a sufficient 
advanced Live-OS installation.


You could take a look into src/tools/tools/nanobsd/rescue where I 
tried to address most of the issues above primary for rescuing GPT/ZFS 
installations (with still hardcoded keyboard though).


With two nanobsd slices on one memstick you can actually produce 
combined i386/and64 Live-OS memsticks...

I get both on a 2GiB memstick (Without packages).

What do you think?


That's interesting, and I'll take a look around what you've done there 
when I get some spare time.

-Nathan
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Re: bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

2011-03-21 Thread Nathan Whitehorn

On 03/21/11 05:04, Lars Engels wrote:

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:25:36AM +0100, Michael Reifenberger wrote:

Hi,
yesterday I tested the images listed in the subject and have the following
remarks:

- At least the memstick image contains an empty fstab
- Does the usage of a dangerously dedikated disklabel give any advantage?
- The usage of an UFS-Label for root mounting should be more flexible

- UFS-labeling does not work

I let bsdinstall partition the disk automatically and edited the
proposed partitions to add labels, but after the first boot, neither
fstab nor /dev/label showed any labels.


The labels are gpart labels, so they show up, e.g., under /dev/gpt. They 
aren't currently used to set up fstab, as it is somewhat difficult to 
predict their path.

-Nathan
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Re: bsdinstall-amd64-20110313 remarks

2011-03-21 Thread Michael Reifenberger

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
...

- Does the usage of a dangerously dedikated disklabel give any advantage?


Not that I can think of -- I'm not sure about maximum disk sizes for pure 
BSD-label disks. It's a legitimate option, though, for people doing manual 
configuration.



The question was only ment for the use of dangerously dedikated disklabel
by the memstick itself.
I have no opinion for use by the patitioner.


- The usage of an UFS-Label for root mounting should be more flexible


Yes. It is somewhat difficult however, to cross-correlate gpart labels for 
GPT, APM, and PC98, with the labeled provider names (the label is not UFS 
labels, but gpart ones).




ditto.


- The first dialog step should set the keyboard layout


That *is* the first step.



Inside the bsdinstaller, yes.
The very first dialog step is the welcome page.
Inside Shell or Live CD youl'll not get asked.

- The /etc is not writable which would greatly reduce the usefulness for 
the ISO

  image (no modified resolv.conf, sshd_config, ...)


This is only partly true. /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink into /tmp, which 
allows DHCP and network configuration to work.




I still prefer a standard /etc with writable entries.
Less special and more POLA.

Thanks for your work on bsdinstaller anyhow!

Bye/2
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