Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David W. Chapman Jr. 
writes:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:14:24PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
 
 If we want a surface scrubber, we ought to have a real one; it's
 also very, very bad in the laptop context (since it keeps waking your
 disks up).
 
I have the shar of the port up at 
http://people.freebsd.org:~/dwcjr/diskcheckd.shar I believe.  its 
already in the ports, I'm just awaiting a repo copy of the files from 
/usr/src/usr.sbin/diskcheckd into ports/sysutils/diskcheckd/files

There are very good reason why serious disk systems like NetApp and
IBM's boxes have a scrubber, and these reasons extend fully into machines
with a 60GB disk which is only marginally accessed.

I think diskcheckd should stay in the main system, but be turned off by
default (at least until better heuristics for default operation has 
been devised.)

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-24 Thread Mike Smith


If we want a surface scrubber, we ought to have a real one; it's
also very, very bad in the laptop context (since it keeps waking your
disks up).

If we're going to keep it, it should be turned off by default at any rate.

 diskcheckd is very annoying.  Many doubt its usefulness in detecting
 errors before it is too late.  It thinks 40% of my disks are bad (which
 I don't).  I've turned it off, I know many that have.
 
 I would like to remove it from the base system and put it in ports.  I
 really don't see what justifies keeping it in /usr/src.
 
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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-24 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:14:24PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
 
 If we want a surface scrubber, we ought to have a real one; it's
 also very, very bad in the laptop context (since it keeps waking your
 disks up).
 
I have the shar of the port up at 
http://people.freebsd.org:~/dwcjr/diskcheckd.shar I believe.  its 
already in the ports, I'm just awaiting a repo copy of the files from 
/usr/src/usr.sbin/diskcheckd into ports/sysutils/diskcheckd/files

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-24 Thread Martin Müller

Me not, I think that a good scrubber, ala NetApp - scrubbing
as fast as possible in the middle of the night -, is a good
thing. Has helped us track many faulty disks a couple of hours
before the disks finally gave up for good.

-- martin

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Subject: Re: diskcheckd is poo


 From: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: diskcheckd is poo
 Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:14:24PM -0700

  If we want a surface scrubber, we ought to have a real one; it's
  also very, very bad in the laptop context (since it keeps waking your
  disks up).
 
  If we're going to keep it, it should be turned off by default at any
rate.

 Lots of people have already jumped in and noted that they have this
 turned off by default.  I guess a 'me too' is probably kind of lame in
 this case, but yes, I also have it disabled.

 -giorgos

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-24 Thread Giorgos Keramidas

From: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: diskcheckd is poo
Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:14:24PM -0700

 If we want a surface scrubber, we ought to have a real one; it's
 also very, very bad in the laptop context (since it keeps waking your
 disks up).
 
 If we're going to keep it, it should be turned off by default at any rate.

Lots of people have already jumped in and noted that they have this
turned off by default.  I guess a 'me too' is probably kind of lame in
this case, but yes, I also have it disabled.

-giorgos

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 10:07:15PM +0200, Søren Schmidt wrote:
 It seems David O'Brien wrote:
  diskcheckd is very annoying.  Many doubt its usefulness in detecting
  errors before it is too late.  It thinks 40% of my disks are bad (which
  I don't).  I've turned it off, I know many that have.
  
  I would like to remove it from the base system and put it in ports.  I
  really don't see what justifies keeping it in /usr/src.
 
 YES!
 

If someone could roll a tarball for me, I could atleast make the 
skeleton for the port if not finish it off.

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread Matthew Jacob

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Søren Schmidt wrote:

 It seems David O'Brien wrote:
  diskcheckd is very annoying.  Many doubt its usefulness in detecting
  errors before it is too late.  It thinks 40% of my disks are bad (which
  I don't).  I've turned it off, I know many that have.
  
  I would like to remove it from the base system and put it in ports.  I
  really don't see what justifies keeping it in /usr/src.
 
 YES!

Interesting. I tend to agree. However, the one system I would find it useful
for is a system where the 2nd IDE master goes to sleep and has to be
periodically touched to keep awake.


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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David O'Brien

On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 03:11:00PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote:
 If someone could roll a tarball for me, I could atleast make the 
 skeleton for the port if not finish it off.

We should just repo copy it to ports.  See how I do the setcdboot port.
 
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diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David O'Brien

diskcheckd is very annoying.  Many doubt its usefulness in detecting
errors before it is too late.  It thinks 40% of my disks are bad (which
I don't).  I've turned it off, I know many that have.

I would like to remove it from the base system and put it in ports.  I
really don't see what justifies keeping it in /usr/src.

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread Søren Schmidt

It seems David O'Brien wrote:
 diskcheckd is very annoying.  Many doubt its usefulness in detecting
 errors before it is too late.  It thinks 40% of my disks are bad (which
 I don't).  I've turned it off, I know many that have.
 
 I would like to remove it from the base system and put it in ports.  I
 really don't see what justifies keeping it in /usr/src.

YES!

-Søren

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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 01:57:15PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 03:11:00PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote:
  If someone could roll a tarball for me, I could atleast make the 
  skeleton for the port if not finish it off.
 
 We should just repo copy it to ports.  See how I do the setcdboot port.
  
Here is a shar of what I am working on.  Comments patches and 
complaints are appreciated.  I just have to make the rc script for it 
to startup on boot.

http://people.freebsd.org/~dwcjr/diskcheckd.shar
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Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:51:41PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote:

 Here is a shar of what I am working on.  Comments patches and 
 complaints are appreciated.  I just have to make the rc script for it 
 to startup on boot.
 
 http://people.freebsd.org/~dwcjr/diskcheckd.shar
 -- 

Update: I have the rc script, although it isn't too grand and I 
haven't tested it, everything should be there and I'm going to test 
it now.
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