Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Andreas Klemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> q: What makes cups so special that one should try it out ?
> What can it do better than apsfilter which IMHO isn't as bloated
> as cups and has better features...

apsfilter is in my experience a lot more difficult and confusing to
configure, and I don't think I ever figured out how to do things like
switch duplex on / off etc.  CUPS has a web-based configuration
interface which is very simple to use.

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Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Andreas Klemm
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 05:42:44PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Disregard above, some crappy port has installed "cups" which apparently
> > has its own "lpr" command, nice...
> 
> Sorry, but *you* are the "crappy port".  CUPS is intentionally split
> into several ports so that the parts that other ports depend on
> (cups-base) can be installed separately from the front-end (cups-lpr)
> and the only port that depends on the front-end is the meta-port,
> which itself has no dependents.
> 
> You should consider this a golden opportunity to try out CUPS, which
  ^.
> is much easier to set up than the base system's lpd, and has far
> better support for modern printers (including the ability to configure
> printer options such as resolution, quality, duplex etc.).

q: What makes cups so special that one should try it out ?
What can it do better than apsfilter which IMHO isn't as bloated
as cups and has better features...

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Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "parse error" it sneaked in as a dependency of something else, I *newer*
> installed cups here (and its also now *gone*)...

check /usr/ports/INDEX, it *can't* have snuck in as a dependency.

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Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 05:42:44PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav 
wrote:
> Sorry, but *you* are the "crappy port".  CUPS is intentionally split
> into several ports so that the parts that other ports depend on
> (cups-base) can be installed separately from the front-end (cups-lpr)
> and the only port that depends on the front-end is the meta-port,
> which itself has no dependents.

One thing I notice is if you select "KDE" during the install you
get enough cups to print, but none of the command line front ends.
I've helped about 20 people with this "problem".  I'm not sure if
a better solution is to make the "KDE" master target include the
command line utilities or to just make cups into one bit port.
However, as it works now it doesn't make a lot of sense.  You're
installing a huge windowing system but you skimp on a few hundred
k of command line utilities that people expect to exist.

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Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Disregard above, some crappy port has installed "cups" which apparently
> > has its own "lpr" command, nice...
> 
> Sorry, but *you* are the "crappy port".  CUPS is intentionally split
> into several ports so that the parts that other ports depend on
> (cups-base) can be installed separately from the front-end (cups-lpr)
> and the only port that depends on the front-end is the meta-port,
> which itself has no dependents.

"parse error" it sneaked in as a dependency of something else, I *newer*
installed cups here (and its also now *gone*)...

> You should consider this a golden opportunity to try out CUPS, which
> is much easier to set up than the base system's lpd, and has far
> better support for modern printers (including the ability to configure
> printer options such as resolution, quality, duplex etc.).

No thanks, lpd does the job quite nicely, with close to *no setup* 
so it cant be much easier :)

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Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Disregard above, some crappy port has installed "cups" which apparently
> has its own "lpr" command, nice...

Sorry, but *you* are the "crappy port".  CUPS is intentionally split
into several ports so that the parts that other ports depend on
(cups-base) can be installed separately from the front-end (cups-lpr)
and the only port that depends on the front-end is the meta-port,
which itself has no dependents.

You should consider this a golden opportunity to try out CUPS, which
is much easier to set up than the base system's lpd, and has far
better support for modern printers (including the ability to configure
printer options such as resolution, quality, duplex etc.).

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Re: printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Soren Schmidt wrote:
> 
> On a fresh current 23/11 1600CET :
> 
> normal user cannot print anymore:
> 
> >lpr
> lpr: error - scheduler not responding!
> 
> but as root things works as expected.
> 
> Ideas ? or another item for the "bugs to fix" list ?

Disregard above, some crappy port has installed "cups" which apparently
has its own "lpr" command, nice...

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printing problems lpr/lpd misbehavior ?

2003-11-23 Thread Soren Schmidt

On a fresh current 23/11 1600CET :

normal user cannot print anymore:

>lpr
lpr: error - scheduler not responding!

but as root things works as expected.

Ideas ? or another item for the "bugs to fix" list ?

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