Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-19 Thread Shane Ambler
On 19/12/2013 08:04, Freddie Cash wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:

 Ok, thanks; but see this:

 $ uname -a
 FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
 12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/i386
 $ svnlite
 Type 'svn help' for usage.
 $ svn help
 svn: not found

 
 ​And ... if you type svnlite help what happens?  The name of the command
 is svnlite, not svn, so you may have to mentally swap the terms in terminal
 messages.  :)​
 
 

That would work once you know you need to use svnlite. Most people will
try svn and after that fails look for a way to install it, rather than
looking for a renamed substitute.

Maybe a /bin/svn script could test if svn exists and exec it or svnlite
or display a message that svnlite is available until svn is installed.

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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
I had (still have) svn on a USB-stick installation of FreeBSD 9.2-STABLE.

So I tried to use that to checkout the src tree for FreeBSD-HEAD; re(4) 
recognized my on-motherboard (MSI Z77 MPOWER) Ethernet but couldn't connect.

So, after NetBSD 6.1_STABLE hung consistently on boot, NetBSD-current amd64 
booted and connected the Ethernet through NetBSD's re(4).

So I checked out (cvs) NetBSD src and pkgsrc trees, updated system and 
packages, subsequently built subversion from pkgsrc.

Then I checked out FreeBSD src tree successfully, and was successful building 
the new FreeBSD from the USB-stick installation of 9.2-STABLE amd64, and I use 
that for src, doc and ports trees until I can build devel/subversion in 
FreeBSD, am having some troubles there, can try again without tests and tools 
options to see if I was overambitious in selecting build options.

Now I have wi-fi working through Hiro H50191 USB-stick adapter, device rsu.

Tom

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svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hi,

As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
sources?

Thanks

matthias
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UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5
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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Nathan Whitehorn

On 12/18/13 14:50, Matthias Apitz wrote:

Hi,

As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
sources?

Thanks

matthias


There's svnlite in -CURRENT now.
-Nathan
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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:

 As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
 CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
 system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
 system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
 sources?

 svnlite is included in the base OS for 10.0.

See https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 for details.  And
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251886 for the commit
message.

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fjwc...@gmail.com
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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 18 Dec 2013, at 21:50, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
 
 As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
 CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
 system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
 system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
 sources?

Use portsnap, or if you use 10.x or later, the base system has svnlite.

-Dimitry



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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 09:50:27PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
 CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
 system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
 system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
 sources?
 
 Thanks
 
   matthias
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 UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5
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First svn is in base named svnlite since 10, then the recommanded way to get the
ports tree is to use portsnap which is also in base.

regards,
Bapt


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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, December 18, 2013 a las 12:59:16PM -0800, Freddie Cash 
escribió:

 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
 
  As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
  CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
  system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
  system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
  sources?
 
  svnlite is included in the base OS for 10.0.
 
 See https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 for details.  And
 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251886 for the commit
 message.

Ok, thanks; but see this:

$ uname -a
FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18 12:10:57 
CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/i386
$ svnlite
Type 'svn help' for usage.
$ svn help
svn: not found

:-)

matthias
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UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5
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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:

 El día Wednesday, December 18, 2013 a las 12:59:16PM -0800, Freddie Cash
 escribió:

  On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de
 wrote:
 
   As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
   CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
   system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
   system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
   sources?
  
   svnlite is included in the base OS for 10.0.
 
  See https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 for details.  And
  http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251886 for the
 commit
  message.

 Ok, thanks; but see this:

 $ uname -a
 FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
 12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/i386
 $ svnlite
 Type 'svn help' for usage.
 $ svn help
 svn: not found


​And ... if you type svnlite help what happens?  The name of the command
is svnlite, not svn, so you may have to mentally swap the terms in terminal
messages.  :)​


-- 
Freddie Cash
fjwc...@gmail.com
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Re: svn ports, or the hen egg

2013-12-18 Thread olli hauer
On 2013-12-18 22:09, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Wednesday, December 18, 2013 a las 12:59:16PM -0800, Freddie Cash 
 escribió:
 
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:

 As ports are now for some time are to be pulled out via SVN (and not
 CVS) and the svn client is only in the ports tree and not in the base
 system, how is this thought to work in a clean way, without dusting the
 system before with some binary packages, only based on base system and
 sources?

 svnlite is included in the base OS for 10.0.

 See https://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10 for details.  And
 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251886 for the commit
 message.
 
 Ok, thanks; but see this:
 
 $ uname -a
 FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18 12:10:57 
 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/i386
 $ svnlite
 Type 'svn help' for usage.
 $ svn help
 svn: not found
 
 :-)
 

One of my first commands until svn is is installed
$ alias svn svnlite

-- 
olli
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