Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On 28/03/2011, at 15:59, Eitan Adler wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: Hi, I am trying the new installer and I find that it still asks you for a time zone even if you answer Yes to using UTC. tzsetup(1) is not asking if you wish to use UTC, It is asking if your local CMOS clock is set to UTC time. There is a subtle difference. See adjkerntz(8) for more details. Ahh I think I understand. So I answer yes or no then hit Cancel to use UTC. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
Am 28.03.2011 07:53, schrieb Garrett Cooper: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: Hi, I am trying the new installer and I find that it still asks you for a time zone even if you answer Yes to using UTC. tzsetup(1) is not asking if you wish to use UTC, It is asking if your local CMOS clock is set to UTC time. There is a subtle difference. See adjkerntz(8) for more details. Perhaps the wording should be changed to say Is your clock set to local time? instead? Perhaps the installer should instead: display CMOS and system time, and ask which one of them is correct, and offer a third option to actually correct the timezone or time if neither is correct. That's much easier to grasp. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On 28/03/2011 12:08, Matthias Andree wrote: Perhaps the installer should instead: display CMOS and system time, and ask which one of them is correct, and offer a third option to actually correct the timezone or time if neither is correct. That's much easier to grasp. ... and a 4th option for when both are correct. Happens quite a lot round these parts in the winter. However, there are very few people for whom DST is the same as UTC. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 28/03/2011 12:08, Matthias Andree wrote: Perhaps the installer should instead: display CMOS and system time, and ask which one of them is correct, and offer a third option to actually correct the timezone or time if neither is correct. That's much easier to grasp. ... and a 4th option for when both are correct. Happens quite a lot round these parts in the winter. However, there are very few people for whom DST is the same as UTC. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW To me it seems that the fault is that I can find no way in tzsetup to specify UTC. Though it seems the system defaults to UTC if you don't run tzsetup anyway, so maybe it would suffice to just say not to do that. (tzsetup is a no-op anyway if you're using UTC since in either case the system RTC would be set to UTC) While I don't follow the lists religiously, this is the first time in many years that I've seen someone make this complaint and I'd rather not change it. dave c ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On 03/28/2011 16:24, David Cornejo wrote: To me it seems that the fault is that I can find no way in tzsetup to specify UTC. Though it seems the system defaults to UTC if you don't run tzsetup anyway, so maybe it would suffice to just say not to do that. (tzsetup is a no-op anyway if you're using UTC since in either case the system RTC would be set to UTC) While I don't follow the lists religiously, this is the first time in many years that I've seen someone make this complaint and I'd rather not change it. I made the same complaint recently in a semi-private forum, so you're not alone. :) I just haven't taken the time to figure out how best to fix it. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 03/28/2011 16:24, David Cornejo wrote: To me it seems that the fault is that I can find no way in tzsetup to specify UTC. Though it seems the system defaults to UTC if you don't run tzsetup anyway, so maybe it would suffice to just say not to do that. (tzsetup is a no-op anyway if you're using UTC since in either case the system RTC would be set to UTC) While I don't follow the lists religiously, this is the first time in many years that I've seen someone make this complaint and I'd rather not change it. I made the same complaint recently in a semi-private forum, so you're not alone. :) I just haven't taken the time to figure out how best to fix it. I'll provide a patch that I wrote to 'fix' the original behavior when I get home (before Eitan pointed out this was by design). It's trivial (15 lines IIRC). Fixing UTC to show up in the menu is not that difficult either, but it might talk a bit more monkeying around. Thanks, -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On 29/03/2011, at 11:06, Garrett Cooper wrote: I made the same complaint recently in a semi-private forum, so you're not alone. :) I just haven't taken the time to figure out how best to fix it. I'll provide a patch that I wrote to 'fix' the original behavior when I get home (before Eitan pointed out this was by design). It's trivial (15 lines IIRC). Fixing UTC to show up in the menu is not that difficult either, but it might talk a bit more monkeying around. I think having UTC in the TZ menu would be the way to go, I will see if I can generate a patch for it. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On 29/03/2011, at 12:11, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 29/03/2011, at 11:06, Garrett Cooper wrote: I made the same complaint recently in a semi-private forum, so you're not alone. :) I just haven't taken the time to figure out how best to fix it. I'll provide a patch that I wrote to 'fix' the original behavior when I get home (before Eitan pointed out this was by design). It's trivial (15 lines IIRC). Fixing UTC to show up in the menu is not that difficult either, but it might talk a bit more monkeying around. I think having UTC in the TZ menu would be the way to go, I will see if I can generate a patch for it. See attached diff or http://www.gsoft.com.au/~doconnor/tzsetup-utc-menu.diff -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C tzsetup-utc-menu.diff Description: Binary data ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
Hi, I am trying the new installer and I find that it still asks you for a time zone even if you answer Yes to using UTC. I had a look at the way this is implemented and it appears to just be a call to tzsetup so it would appear the bug lies there. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: Hi, I am trying the new installer and I find that it still asks you for a time zone even if you answer Yes to using UTC. tzsetup(1) is not asking if you wish to use UTC, It is asking if your local CMOS clock is set to UTC time. There is a subtle difference. See adjkerntz(8) for more details. -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tzsetup disregards setting TZ to UTC
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: Hi, I am trying the new installer and I find that it still asks you for a time zone even if you answer Yes to using UTC. tzsetup(1) is not asking if you wish to use UTC, It is asking if your local CMOS clock is set to UTC time. There is a subtle difference. See adjkerntz(8) for more details. Perhaps the wording should be changed to say Is your clock set to local time? instead? -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
