Re: T1 / E1 PCI card for FreeBSD?
Len Conrad wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tells me their P1200 E1 card, with FreeBSD drive, can't work in channelized mode (like the etinc cards can't). Their LMC150xM cards can do channelized, but don't have a FreeBSD driver, but their FreeBSD guy is looking at it. Any hacker care to explain how a channelized T1/E1 (24 or 30 separate ip streams) would be seen within FreeBSD? ifconfig setup? Would we have to assign 30 fixed ip addresses to these "virtual/channel" ip interfaces? Fixed, DHCP, PPP-assigned, whatever. Individual addresses would certainly be the easiest way to use them, unless you're going to do aggregation at the link layer. Sorry, my knowlege of channelized T1 doesn't extend quite that far down. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: T1 / E1 PCI card for FreeBSD?
Hi Louie, You've got to look at what you're actually getting as a delivered capability. What we are looking for is just 30 x 64 kbit incoming ISDN channels for remote access to Internet. "remote access concentrator". channels. Some of them might be combined with others to provide Nx64kb/s I see the Portmaster 3 can bond channels even across PM3 chassis, but we would not need anything so fancy as that, as least in the first phase. This was different from what I had described, which is combining two or more 64kb/s channels into an aggregate channel of higher capacity; essentially a fractional-E1 (or T1). The "bonding" thing you referred to is really PPP multi-link where a packet is segmented, and sent in parallel over multiple links. Much more "sellable" to our clients (paying metered access for local time charges for ISDN in Europe) would be hardware STAC compression, ie, Lucent sells a card for the PM3 for hardware-assisted compression, for all 60 channels compressed in a 2 x E1 chassis. Is there a PCI stac-compression card supported by fbsd? I dunno, if it was me, I'd just buy an Ascend/Lucent MAX or TNT box and declare success. I suppose you expose multiple devices, one per channel, like the sr driver does for one channel. But this is something of a different beast since you'll also need to do something about the ISDN signalling. I'm not too familiar with how the isdn4bsd code is structured. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: Disposable PCs?
Some people don't like embedded HTML mail, especially if they aren't using something that uses it, such as Netscape. Cutting and pasting is just as easy. Personally, I like the idea of using links in mail. I just decided to go for the lowest common denominator. -Original Message- From: Wes Peters [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:25 PM To: Potts, Ross Cc: 'Einar Orn Eidsson'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:Re: Disposable PCs? "Potts, Ross" wrote: Okay, here it is. It's dated today(4 Feb 2000). www.tomshardware.com/technews/index.html#0619. For the full scoop, see http://www.theregister.co.uk/000203-22.html If you post complete URLs, *some* of us can just click on them in our mailers. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: IPFW / IP Filter question
Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai writes: I would have thought you would use the tee option in ipfw for this, but its not implemented yet according to my man pages, so I was wondering if there was another way to do this, cause it makes traffic analysis a hell of a lot easier if I can do this rather than having to sniff it with bpf or something. Didn't CURRENT add the tee option by now? Yes, I added ``ipfw tee'' to current.. however, it's not completely perfect yet but should be usable. FYI, you can combine ``tee'' with ngctl(8) and netgraph's ksocket node type to get a tcpdump-like effect.. eg: $ ipfw add 100 tee 1234 icmp from any to any in icmptype 8 $ ngctl Available commands: [ ... snip ... ] + mkpeer ksocket foo inet/raw/divert + msg foo bind inet/0.0.0.0:1234 Rec'd data packet on hook "foo": : 45 00 00 54 99 f7 00 00 ff 01 e8 be c3 4c cd 07 E..T.L.. 0010: c3 4c cd 51 08 00 51 7e 4f c8 00 00 a6 23 a3 38 .L.Q..Q~O#.8 0020: 15 5a 0d 00 08 09 0a 0b 0c 0d 0e 0f 10 11 12 13 .Z.. 0030: 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f 20 21 22 23 !"# 0040: 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f 30 31 32 33 $%'()*+,-./0123 0050: 34 35 36 37 4567 + Rec'd data packet on hook "foo": : 45 00 00 54 99 fe 00 00 ff 01 e8 b7 c3 4c cd 07 E..T.L.. 0010: c3 4c cd 51 08 00 a3 a6 50 c8 00 00 a8 23 a3 38 .L.QP#.8 0020: c8 31 05 00 08 09 0a 0b 0c 0d 0e 0f 10 11 12 13 .1.. 0030: 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f 20 21 22 23 !"# 0040: 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f 30 31 32 33 $%'()*+,-./0123 0050: 34 35 36 37 4567 + quit -Archie ___ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: T1 / E1 PCI card for FreeBSD?
Louis A. Mamakos writes: What we are looking for is just 30 x 64 kbit incoming ISDN channels for remote access to Internet. "remote access concentrator". channels. Some of them might be combined with others to provide Nx64kb/s I see the Portmaster 3 can bond channels even across PM3 chassis, but we would not need anything so fancy as that, as least in the first phase. This was different from what I had described, which is combining two or more 64kb/s channels into an aggregate channel of higher capacity; essentially a fractional-E1 (or T1). In my (biased) opinion, the right way to handle this is to make the card appear as a netgraph node. You configure it however you want with control messages, then attach netgraph interfaces, etc. Isn't this what Poul did? -Archie ___ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Disposable PCs?
Potts, Ross wrote: Some people don't like embedded HTML mail, especially if they aren't using something that uses it, such as Netscape. Cutting and pasting is just as easy. uh... I think Wes just meant post the complete URL (actually, that's what he said), i.e. stick http:// on the front if it's a Web address. That way, any half-decent software will allow the user to select the URL somehow (in Mutt, ^B does it). -- Ben Smithurst / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Disposable PCs?
"Potts, Ross" wrote: Some people don't like embedded HTML mail, especially if they aren't using something that uses it, such as Netscape. Cutting and pasting is just as easy. Personally, I like the idea of using links in mail. I just decided to go for the lowest common denominator. This has nothing to do with HTML mail. If you're clever enough, you can launch a valid URL from xterm. Standards exist for a reason. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Eclipse/BSD
On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 08:56:09PM -0500, Colin wrote: As interesting as this looks, unfortunately the license it comes with efffectively precludes incorporating it into FreeBSD. The license is for single-user non-commercial only. They also included derivative works in the restrictions. So much for Stallman's efforts to be the meanest man on earth when it comes to "derivatives". They sure have beat him here :/ -- Giorgos Keramidas, keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr For my public PGP key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP fingerprint, phone and address in the headers of this message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Eclipse/BSD
+[ Giorgos Keramidas ]- | On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 08:56:09PM -0500, Colin wrote: | | As interesting as this looks, unfortunately the license it comes with | efffectively precludes incorporating it into FreeBSD. The license is | for single-user non-commercial only. They also included derivative | works in the restrictions. | | So much for Stallman's efforts to be the meanest man on earth when it | comes to "derivatives". They sure have beat him here :/ I don't think that that is an entirely fair analysis. They are afterall a business, and business units need to justify their existence. If it goes the normal way Lucent goes, Eclipse as a unit (license, staff etc) will be sold off to the highest bidder at some point down the track. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
ls: alpha - numeric sorting
L.S. Here are patches for FreeBSD's ls (from version 3.3 release) and OpenBSD's ls (version 2.6, didn't actually test this obsd patch as I'm working on a FreeBSD machine at the moment). What it does is add an option (yes another one) to sort alpha numeric separately, i.e. instead of something like gsi-0.9.3p1.tgz gsi-0.9.3p10.tgz gsi-0.9.3p11.tgz gsi-0.9.3p12.tgz gsi-0.9.3p13.tgz gsi-0.9.3p14.tgz gsi-0.9.3p15.tgz gsi-0.9.3p16.tgz gsi-0.9.3p17.tgz gsi-0.9.3p18.tgz gsi-0.9.3p2.tgz gsi-0.9.3p3.tgz gsi-0.9.3p4.tgz gsi-0.9.3p5.tgz gsi-0.9.3p6.tgz gsi-0.9.3p7.tgz gsi-0.9.3p8.tgz gsi-0.9.3p9.tgz you will get: gsi-0.9.3p1.tgz gsi-0.9.3p2.tgz gsi-0.9.3p3.tgz gsi-0.9.3p4.tgz gsi-0.9.3p5.tgz gsi-0.9.3p6.tgz gsi-0.9.3p7.tgz gsi-0.9.3p8.tgz gsi-0.9.3p9.tgz gsi-0.9.3p10.tgz gsi-0.9.3p11.tgz gsi-0.9.3p12.tgz gsi-0.9.3p13.tgz gsi-0.9.3p14.tgz gsi-0.9.3p15.tgz gsi-0.9.3p16.tgz gsi-0.9.3p17.tgz gsi-0.9.3p18.tgz Much better! This would be great on ftp servers (trying to find the latest tgz for a given package in a list of around 50 or more is a nuisance with lexicographical ordering). The sort option is invoked with -n on fbsd, -N on obsd (change as you like...). I've also attached a complete little test program with debug output etc. The code could be improved by renaming some variables to longer names (couldn't think of any good ones ;) and probably the implementation too (haven't tried to optimize). Enjoy, Wouter alpha_num_cmp.c.gz whs_fbsd_ls.diff.gz whs_obsd_ls.diff.gz
Re: ls: alpha - numeric sorting
On Friday, February 11, 2000, W.H.Scholten wrote: I've also attached a complete little test program with debug output etc. The code could be improved by renaming some variables to longer names (couldn't think of any good ones ;) and probably the implementation too (haven't tried to optimize). FreeBSD already supports an `-n' option, so you probably don't want to go with that. Probably if it does go in, both systems should use -N or something else unused, if only for consistancy amongst the two. -- |Chris Costello [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Host System Not Responding, Probably Down. Do you want to wait? (Y/N) `--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
My views on Eclipse/BSD
Since everyone seems to be jumping up and down on this, I thought I'd just chime in with my two cents on the matter. I saw the Lucent folks behind this when they first brought a demo of Eclipse to FreeBSDCon '99 and, frankly, I was just pleased that they were willing to show up as exhibitors and to show it off at all. Now we see it more widely available under a license which allows us to play with it but not to sell it. Where's the harm in that? We can all still benefit from the experience of examining yet another type of approach in dealing with Quality Of Service issues. The truly interested can also use it as a springboard for looking past Eclipse and into the future of QoS systems, hopefully to then begin implementing something in the open source space which takes us to an even greater level of technical sophistication in FreeBSD's QoS infrastructure. None of that requires Lucent to be any more "open" than they currently are with the licensing of Eclipse and we really ought to be thanking them right now (instead of whining) for allowing us to take such an open and thorough look at their design strategies. It took a lot longer than for Plan9 to escape from Lucent and we should, if anything, be marvelling at the speed at which this has taken place at all. :-) I'd also venture to say that if such a next-generation QoS movement springs up as a result of what people see in Eclipse, it won't be long before these very same folks at Lucent are among the loudest voices of all, screaming for a truly OSS license and the ability to work cooperatively on Eclipse's follow-up act. By the very nature of software engineering Eclipse is already obsolete, and what we can learn from it going forward interests me a lot more than its license at the moment. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Servers with large amounts of RAM?
Is there a good reference URL for configuring FreeBSD with large amounts of RAM? I seem to remember there being "issues" with over 1GB but I don't remember the details and the search engine on www.freebsd.org is currently down. /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
