Re: Laptop suggestions?
martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. -g DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. Fn is usually used on laptop keyboards to allow two logical keys to share a single physical key. For example, see the keyboard pictured at http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3415.jpg . On the extreme lower right is a key with - in white and End in blue. Pressing it by itself sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's - key. Holding Fn and pressing that key sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's End key. On many keyboards, pressing Fn by itself sends no keycode at all, so it cannot be remapped. It is also sometimes used to control hardware features which on a desktop machine might have a different interface. For instance, on the laptop pictured, holding Fn and pressing F6 would increase the screen brightness, probably without sending a keycode. A desktop machine would probably have a button on the monitor itself to do this. -- Nate Eldredge [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:20PM -0700, Nate Eldredge wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. Fn is usually used on laptop keyboards to allow two logical keys to share a single physical key. For example, see the keyboard pictured at http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3415.jpg . On the extreme lower right is a key with - in white and End in blue. Pressing it by itself sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's - key. Holding Fn and pressing that key sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's End key. On many keyboards, pressing Fn by itself sends no keycode at all, so it cannot be remapped. It is also sometimes used to control hardware features which on a desktop machine might have a different interface. For instance, on the laptop pictured, holding Fn and pressing F6 would increase the screen brightness, probably without sending a keycode. A desktop machine would probably have a button on the monitor itself to do this. I always figured Fn was a good name for the key, given that it resembles the expletive that comes forth from my mouth when intending to hit Control. http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/9328.jpg ;-) -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:31 -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:20PM -0700, Nate Eldredge wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. Fn is usually used on laptop keyboards to allow two logical keys to share a single physical key. For example, see the keyboard pictured at http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3415.jpg . On the extreme lower right is a key with - in white and End in blue. Pressing it by itself sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's - key. Holding Fn and pressing that key sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's End key. On many keyboards, pressing Fn by itself sends no keycode at all, so it cannot be remapped. It is also sometimes used to control hardware features which on a desktop machine might have a different interface. For instance, on the laptop pictured, holding Fn and pressing F6 would increase the screen brightness, probably without sending a keycode. A desktop machine would probably have a button on the monitor itself to do this. Thanks for clearing up a back-of-mind mystery since I bought my 600E in 2003; I kept hitting the Fn for the ^ key, and *nothing happened* so I had to re-type the control sequence. It is an ill-planned layout and I'm sure that 'BM has heard about it from us hacker types. --Why this is the best list in the (known) universe. Seriously. I always figured Fn was a good name for the key, given that it resembles the expletive that comes forth from my mouth when intending to hit Control. That ain't that much of a joke, Jeremy. unless I'm at my desk with wrist-rest I can barely reach the back keys. [shoulder problems]. So far I've invented around 7--maybe 8--new profanities. BTW, if that jpeg is a Lenovo, is that a scratch-and-sniff pad below the mouse buttons? (The TPad's *did* need a redesign, but for me, the trakmouse/trakstick/whatever was perfect. My left paw went right there.) ...FWIW, I just bought a G41 (3.06GHz) pre-Lenovo. gary http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/9328.jpg ;-) ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
