our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
Look here: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html -- Christoph ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:21, kuku@ wrote: Look here: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html -- Christoph OH! no! someone quick get a Microsoft Solicitation! I mean solution -- jhell ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
Christoph Kukulies wrote: Look here: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html ( Well spotted Christoph ! ) For those that don't read German, tracing back, Text article starts here http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html That is in German, (some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org ) I did read the german article (but skipped graphics). Key paragraph: Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier, 803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California, dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt. In key para there I could click download sonda-TR.pdf (though now I can't seem to redownload http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf ) A 15 page article in Engish. Page 4 uses the Firefox BSD logos. I havent read that English [yet], but with it, any interested here can now read form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder: Kirk McKusick mckus...@mckusick.com IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics. Personaly my 2c: Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame, I guess tests were done using BSD, Spiegel thought it was nice colourful graphic. (Politicians never looked good on British TV Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look bad there, be talked about, than not seen, not recognised ignored). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
Thanks for the pointer. As you note, the damage (or benefit :-) is done. Still I have sent an email to the editor at Spiegel notifying them of my copyright in the hopes that they will at least ask in the future. Kirk McKusick =-=-=-= From:Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Date:Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:29 +0100 To: Christoph Kukulies k...@kukulies.org Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Kirk McKusick mckus...@mckusick.com Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany Christoph Kukulies wrote: Look here: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html ( Well spotted Christoph ! ) For those that don't read German, tracing back, Text article starts here http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html That is in German, (some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org ) I did read the german article (but skipped graphics). Key paragraph: Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier, 803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California, dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt. In key para there I could click download sonda-TR.pdf (though now I can't seem to redownload http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf ) A 15 page article in Engish. Page 4 uses the Firefox BSD logos. I havent read that English [yet], but with it, any interested here can now read form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder: Kirk McKusick mckus...@mckusick.com IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics. Personaly my 2c: Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame, I guess tests were done using BSD, Spiegel thought it was nice colourful graphic. (Politicians never looked good on British TV Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look bad there, be talked about, than not seen, not recognised ignored). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
Kirk McKusick wrote: Thanks for the pointer. As you note, the damage (or benefit :-) is done. Still I have sent an email to the editor at Spiegel notifying them of my copyright in the hopes that they will at least ask in the future. Kirk McKusick Good idea. You might want to contact authors of that PDF paper too. In case, as my browser still is fails on URL I posted earlier: http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf I'll send you an off list copy of what I downloaded earlier at 2nd Feb 18:14 TZ=GMT+01:00. =-=-=-= From:Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Date:Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:29 +0100 To: Christoph Kukulies k...@kukulies.org Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Kirk McKusick mckus...@mckusick.com Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany Christoph Kukulies wrote: Look here: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html ( Well spotted Christoph ! ) For those that don't read German, tracing back, Text article starts here http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html That is in German, (some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org ) I did read the german article (but skipped graphics). Key paragraph: Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier, 803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California, dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt. In key para there I could click download sonda-TR.pdf (though now I can't seem to redownload http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf ) A 15 page article in Engish. Page 4 uses the Firefox BSD logos. I havent read that English [yet], but with it, any interested here can now read form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder: Kirk McKusick mckus...@mckusick.com IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics. Personaly my 2c: Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame, I guess tests were done using BSD, Spiegel thought it was nice colourful graphic. (Politicians never looked good on British TV Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look bad there, be talked about, than not seen, not recognised ignored). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
On Tuesday, 2 February 2010 at 13:09:29 -0800, Kirk McKusick wrote: Thanks for the pointer. As you note, the damage (or benefit :-) is done. Still I have sent an email to the editor at Spiegel notifying them of my copyright in the hopes that they will at least ask in the future. FWIW, much as I dislike Der Spiegel, I think you targeted the wrong people. They clearly took it from the original paper (http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf). The authors are Thorsten Holz, Gilbert Wondracek (both at the TU Wien), Engin Kirda (Eurecom, Sophia Antipolis) und Christopher Kruegel (UCSB), in case anybody knows any of them. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua pgp6QVedSuDRf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil
Hi, On 02 February 2010 pm 23:21:12 Christoph Kukulies wrote: Look here: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html it reminds me of movies in which good guys use Apple, bad guys Windows. Erich ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
