Re: My wish list for 6.1

2005-12-22 Thread Juhana Tahvanainen


i think you got this one wrong.

what FreeBSD-Handbook-General should include:

everything that spans through all FreeBSD releases i.e.

# rm -rf /

(that is guaranteed to work in all FreeBSD systems)

but if some future release stops supporting this, then its removed from 
FreeBSD-Handbook-General and moved to FreeBSD-Handbook-BRANCH.x (to all 
branches that supports this).



---J



On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:


On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 06:01:37PM +0200 I heard the voice of
Juhana Tahvanainen, and lo! it spake thus:


how about:

FreeBSD-Handbook-General is rather fixed once ready, only
maintenance needed is when some future release doesnt support
something anymore, that is removed and moved to
FreeBSD-Handbook-BRANCH.x.


Difficult to manage.  You have to remember or know which branches to
backport stuff to, and you can't then say "OK, we won't bother with
3.x anymore, but Handbook-3.x will remain around not needing further
work for people using it", as future changes might not get pushed
back.

It would probably be easier using something like marked sections in a
single handbook to separate out version-specific stuff from more
general stuff; that way, at least it's all in one place, and you could
just generate handbooks for any given branch off one source.  Of
course, it can get ugly to look at, too..


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Re: My wish list for 6.1

2005-12-21 Thread Juhana Tahvanainen


how about:

FreeBSD-Handbook-General (guaranteed to work with all FreeBSD systems, 
doesn't include stuff in FreeBSD-Handbook-BRANCH.x)


FreeBSD-Handbook-4.x (guaranteed to work with 4.x branch, doesn't include 
stuff in FreeBSD-Handbook-General)


FreeBSD-Handbook-5.x (guaranteed to work with 5.x branch, doesn't include 
stuff in FreeBSD-Handbook-General)


FreeBSD-Handbook-6.x (guaranteed to work with 6.x branch, doesn't include 
stuff in FreeBSD-Handbook-General)


...

this way layered information is minimalized and there is clear path to 
find something out.


FreeBSD-Handbook-General is rather fixed once ready, only maintenance 
needed is when some future release doesnt support something anymore, that 
is removed and moved to FreeBSD-Handbook-BRANCH.x.


FreeBSD-Handbook-BRANCH.x deals with branch in case from installation to 
use, having links to FreeBSD-Handbook-General when needed. 
FreeBSD-Handbook-BRANCH.x can also have real-life examples and comments, 
so need for FAQ should be covered.


dunno if that is any more clear but what there is out there now, is a 
mess.



---J



On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Ceri Davies wrote:


On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:34:23AM +0100, Dirk GOUDERS wrote:



3.  Full review and update of the install docs, handbook, FAQ, etc.
There are sections that are embarrassingly out of date (one section of
the handbook apparently states that we only support a single brand of
wifi cards).  A co-worker of mine tried to install 6.0 using just the
handbook install guide, and discovered that it really doesn't match
reality anymore, in both big and small ways.  Contact me directly if
you would like his list of comments.


I am wondering if it wouldn't be advantageous to have "versioned"
documents that just cover one specific release and not to cover all
realeases in single documents.

I could imagine that it is harder to cover everything in single
documents than to perhaps copy the existing documentation when a new
branch is created and edit it to match just the new release.

Maybe, I do not realize how much more work this would be but it would
probably enforce regular reviews of the documentation and the readers
would benefit from it.


This is exactly the idea that I have been pimping to anyone who will
listen for the last three months or so.  I also think that it is
advantageous for users who are using, say 4.2, to be able to find
documentation for 4.2 without having to interpret a nest of "if you have
4.x do this, if 5.0 through 5.3 do that, else do the other".  I don't
think it's a lot of work to just branch the handbook (and FAQ
if we decide to keep it) - in fact, for me, it would be a definite win -
at release time, but it just doesn't seem to be what other people want
done.

I would encourage those interested to ask about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ceri
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