Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On 3/13/12 10:47 PM, Devin Teske wrote: On Mar 6, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Alexander Best wrote: great work. a few questions or rather suggestions: [snip] 2) the highlighted first letters suggest that these are shortcuts. they work great for the actual menu items, but for OK andExit bsdconfig, pressing O and E doesn't work. in fact E is already taken by Startup. It's since been discovered that --visit-items achieves the desired behavior (and is accepted by Xdialog(1) so seems safe to use unconditionally). Let me verify that --visit-items works with i18n as well. -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On Mar 6, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Alexander Best wrote: great work. a few questions or rather suggestions: [snip] 2) the highlighted first letters suggest that these are shortcuts. they work great for the actual menu items, but for OK and Exit bsdconfig, pressing O and E doesn't work. in fact E is already taken by Startup. It's since been discovered that --visit-items achieves the desired behavior (and is accepted by Xdialog(1) so seems safe to use unconditionally). -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
-Original Message- From: Alexander Best [mailto:arun...@freebsd.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:10 AM To: Devin Teske Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Ron McDowell Subject: Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8) On Mon Mar 5 12, Devin Teske wrote: [snip] Some here may already know that Ron McDowell and I have been hard at- work developing the replacement for sysinstall(8)'s Configure menu -- which we have named bsdconfig(8). [snip] 3) when bsdconfig starts the note regarding the packages shouldn't state Pascal. most people probably don't know what pascal is. ;) how about VirtualBox or chromium? these packages are probably used by a lot more users. 4) do we really need fdisk and disklabel? hasn't freebsd moved onto gpart and glabel? Both of these issues are addressed in the latest snapshot tarball... http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/ Latest is bsdconfig.120307.txz -- Thanks Alex, Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On Mon Mar 5 12, Devin Teske wrote: Hiya fellow -hackers@ Many have complained that bsdinstall(8) does only a fraction of sysinstall(8). This complaint is generally understood to be in-relation to the Configure menu of sysinstall(8). Some here may already know that Ron McDowell and I have been hard at-work developing the replacement for sysinstall(8)'s Configure menu -- which we have named bsdconfig(8). bsdconfig(8), together with already-existing bsdinstall(8), should fill the gap(s) when sysinstall(8) goes-away in FreeBSD-10. bsdconfig(8) is being designed with the intention of being MFC'd to 9, so that sysinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) can co-exist side-by-side while the bugs are worked out in RELENG_9. Later down the road, 10.0 would have only bsdinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) (sysinstall(8) would no longer be provided). Thus, allowing a smooth transition away from sysinstall(8). With all that being said, without further ado, let me introduce the latest preview: http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/ NOTE: As of this writing, latest version is bsdconfig.120305.txz obtainable from the above directory PRE-REQUISITES: You need an already-checked-out version of the FreeBSD source tree (preferably 9.0 or higher). INSTRUCTIONS: 1. cd /usr/src 2. fetch http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/bsdconfig.120305.txz 3. tar zxf bsdconfig.120305.txz 4. cd bsdconfig 5. sudo make install HOW TO USE: bsdconfig -h bsdconfig NOTE: If sudo(8) is installed, no need to run as root (bsdconfig will handle this for you -- if/when root privileges are needed, you'll be prompted for your sudo(8) credentials). If you have an X11 display and have xauth(1) installed, try this in an X11 session: bsdconfig -X Some other things to try for fun: bsdconfig hostname # jump directly to hostname configuration bsdconfig users # jump directly to user management bsdconfig networking # jump directly to network management bsdconfig defaultrouter # jump directly to defaultrouter configuration bsdconfig nameservers # jump directly to DNS nameserver configuration bsdconfig docsinstall # jump directly to documentation installation bsdconfig timezone # jump directly to timezone configuration bsdconfig timezone -X # Configure the timezone using X11 GUI bsdconfig timezone -h # See timezone usage (for which there are many options) ERRATA: Documentation Installation is fully functional Network Management is fully functional Time Zone is fully functional and Login/Group Management is mostly functional (group add/edit/delete not done yet) Rest of the remaining modules are not functional yet. We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. great work. a few questions or rather suggestions: 1) why are there two ways to exit bsdconfig? one being X Exit and the other one being Exit bsdconfig? 2) the highlighted first letters suggest that these are shortcuts. they work great for the actual menu items, but for OK and Exit bsdconfig, pressing O and E doesn't work. in fact E is already taken by Startup. 3) when bsdconfig starts the note regarding the packages shouldn't state Pascal. most people probably don't know what pascal is. ;) how about VirtualBox or chromium? these packages are probably used by a lot more users. 4) do we really need fdisk and disklabel? hasn't freebsd moved onto gpart and glabel? cheers. alex -- Cheers, Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
Hi Alex, Thanks for your feedback! Thoughts inline below... -Original Message- From: Alexander Best [mailto:arun...@freebsd.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:10 AM To: Devin Teske Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Ron McDowell Subject: Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8) On Mon Mar 5 12, Devin Teske wrote: Hiya fellow -hackers@ Many have complained that bsdinstall(8) does only a fraction of sysinstall(8). This complaint is generally understood to be in-relation to the Configure menu of sysinstall(8). Some here may already know that Ron McDowell and I have been hard at- work developing the replacement for sysinstall(8)'s Configure menu -- which we have named bsdconfig(8). bsdconfig(8), together with already-existing bsdinstall(8), should fill the gap(s) when sysinstall(8) goes-away in FreeBSD-10. bsdconfig(8) is being designed with the intention of being MFC'd to 9, so that sysinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) can co-exist side-by-side while the bugs are worked out in RELENG_9. Later down the road, 10.0 would have only bsdinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) (sysinstall(8) would no longer be provided). Thus, allowing a smooth transition away from sysinstall(8). With all that being said, without further ado, let me introduce the latest preview: http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/ NOTE: As of this writing, latest version is bsdconfig.120305.txz obtainable from the above directory PRE-REQUISITES: You need an already-checked-out version of the FreeBSD source tree (preferably 9.0 or higher). INSTRUCTIONS: 1. cd /usr/src Correction... cd /usr/src/usr.sbin 2. fetch http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/bsdconfig.120305.txz 3. tar zxf bsdconfig.120305.txz 4. cd bsdconfig 5. sudo make install HOW TO USE: bsdconfig -h bsdconfig NOTE: If sudo(8) is installed, no need to run as root (bsdconfig will handle this for you -- if/when root privileges are needed, you'll be prompted for your sudo(8) credentials). If you have an X11 display and have xauth(1) installed, try this in an X11 session: bsdconfig -X Some other things to try for fun: bsdconfig hostname # jump directly to hostname configuration bsdconfig users # jump directly to user management bsdconfig networking # jump directly to network management bsdconfig defaultrouter # jump directly to defaultrouter configuration bsdconfig nameservers # jump directly to DNS nameserver configuration bsdconfig docsinstall # jump directly to documentation installation bsdconfig timezone # jump directly to timezone configuration bsdconfig timezone -X # Configure the timezone using X11 GUI bsdconfig timezone -h # See timezone usage (for which there are many options) ERRATA: Documentation Installation is fully functional Network Management is fully functional Time Zone is fully functional and Login/Group Management is mostly functional (group add/edit/delete not done yet) Rest of the remaining modules are not functional yet. We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. great work. a few questions or rather suggestions: 1) why are there two ways to exit bsdconfig? one being X Exit and the other one being Exit bsdconfig? If we change the label back to its default value of Cancel, is it any different? What exactly would one be cancelling (as nothing has been selected yet)? I rather like the renamed Cancel button. Oh, and there's a lot more than 2 ways to exit bsdconfig(8): (from the main menu) 1. Choose Exit 2. Select Exit bsdconfig 3. Press ESC on the keyboard 4. (X11-only) Click the X close widget 5. (bug) If TERM is set to something other than cons25, pressing SHIFT+TAB will cause exit 6. (bug; Apple X11 only) If using X11 Forwarding to a Mac running Apple's X11 App, attempting to scroll a menu that is not scrollable with the mouse wheel (including two-finger up/down gesture) will cause exit. #5 remains as an open FreeBSD bug on the command-line and has already been filed as PR bin/151229). #6 remains as an open Apple bug in X11. Other bugs also exist in Apple X11 (like the fact that pressing ENTER to dismiss a dialog causes subsequent dialogs to be immediately dismissed as though the user is holding ENTER, though is not; work-around is to only use the mouse when interacting with Xdialog(1) via Apple's X11 App). I don't see a problem with giving the user multiple ways out (and labeling each correctly as such). 2) the highlighted first letters suggest that these are shortcuts. they work great for the actual menu items, but for OK and Exit bsdconfig, pressing O and E doesn't work
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
Not sure this will get to -hackers, I'm not on their list. More below... On 3/6/12 12:10 PM, Devin Teske wrote: 3) when bsdconfig starts the note regarding the packages shouldn't state Pascal. most people probably don't know what pascal is. ;) how about VirtualBox or chromium? these packages are probably used by a lot more users. ^_^ Agreed. Ron, can we change this? Thoughts: I'm thinking that we should name some high-visibility software here. Say... Firefox :-D That text was snagged verbatim from sysinstall. I'm open to any changes there. 4) do we really need fdisk and disklabel? hasn't freebsd moved onto gpart and glabel? I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I've been thinking that we should combine the Fdisk and DiskLabel menus into a single menu that calls sade(8). Thoughts? I'd agree with that for the 10.0 version. For 9.x I'd rather see them separate as that's the way they are in sysinstall. Make sense? -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On Mar 5, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Devin Teske wrote: -Original Message- From: Robison, Dave [mailto:david.robi...@fisglobal.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:00 PM To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: r...@fuzzwad.org; Devin Teske Subject: Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8) On 03/05/2012 16:44, Devin Teske wrote: We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. When editing user info via X dialogue it doesn't prompt with a save option like it does in ncurses. Woo hoo, first to complain! Thanks DaveR! I'll get right on that. Fixed in the latest download: http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/ Latest is bsdconfig.120306.txz Preview Instructions (to get you up and running; again, requires checked-out src-tree): cd /usr/src/usr.sbin fetch http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/bsdconfig.120306.txz tar zxf bsdconfig.120306.txz cd bsdconfig make sudo make install /usr/sbin/bsdconfig -h /usr/sbin/bsdconfig Thanks DaveR! -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
[PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
Hiya fellow -hackers@ Many have complained that bsdinstall(8) does only a fraction of sysinstall(8). This complaint is generally understood to be in-relation to the Configure menu of sysinstall(8). Some here may already know that Ron McDowell and I have been hard at-work developing the replacement for sysinstall(8)'s Configure menu -- which we have named bsdconfig(8). bsdconfig(8), together with already-existing bsdinstall(8), should fill the gap(s) when sysinstall(8) goes-away in FreeBSD-10. bsdconfig(8) is being designed with the intention of being MFC'd to 9, so that sysinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) can co-exist side-by-side while the bugs are worked out in RELENG_9. Later down the road, 10.0 would have only bsdinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) (sysinstall(8) would no longer be provided). Thus, allowing a smooth transition away from sysinstall(8). With all that being said, without further ado, let me introduce the latest preview: http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/ NOTE: As of this writing, latest version is bsdconfig.120305.txz obtainable from the above directory PRE-REQUISITES: You need an already-checked-out version of the FreeBSD source tree (preferably 9.0 or higher). INSTRUCTIONS: 1. cd /usr/src 2. fetch http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/bsdconfig.120305.txz 3. tar zxf bsdconfig.120305.txz 4. cd bsdconfig 5. sudo make install HOW TO USE: bsdconfig -h bsdconfig NOTE: If sudo(8) is installed, no need to run as root (bsdconfig will handle this for you -- if/when root privileges are needed, you'll be prompted for your sudo(8) credentials). If you have an X11 display and have xauth(1) installed, try this in an X11 session: bsdconfig -X Some other things to try for fun: bsdconfig hostname # jump directly to hostname configuration bsdconfig users # jump directly to user management bsdconfig networking # jump directly to network management bsdconfig defaultrouter # jump directly to defaultrouter configuration bsdconfig nameservers # jump directly to DNS nameserver configuration bsdconfig docsinstall # jump directly to documentation installation bsdconfig timezone # jump directly to timezone configuration bsdconfig timezone -X # Configure the timezone using X11 GUI bsdconfig timezone -h # See timezone usage (for which there are many options) ERRATA: Documentation Installation is fully functional Network Management is fully functional Time Zone is fully functional and Login/Group Management is mostly functional (group add/edit/delete not done yet) Rest of the remaining modules are not functional yet. We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. -- Cheers, Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
-Original Message- From: Robison, Dave [mailto:david.robi...@fisglobal.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:00 PM To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: r...@fuzzwad.org; Devin Teske Subject: Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8) On 03/05/2012 16:44, Devin Teske wrote: We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. When editing user info via X dialogue it doesn't prompt with a save option like it does in ncurses. Woo hoo, first to complain! Thanks DaveR! I'll get right on that. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On 03/05/2012 16:44, Devin Teske wrote: We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. When editing user info via X dialogue it doesn't prompt with a save option like it does in ncurses. Woo hoo, first to complain! -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Andrzej Tobola wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:44:53PM -0800, Devin Teske wrote: INSTRUCTIONS: 1. cd /usr/src cd /usr/src/usr.sbin ? Sorry… /usr/src/usr.bin You don't need to be root to run it, so it's going into /usr/bin, not sbin. Thanks for catching that! -- Devin 2. fetch http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/bsdconfig.120305.txz 3. tar zxf bsdconfig.120305.txz 4. cd bsdconfig 5. sudo make install -a _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On 3/5/2012 8:24 PM, Devin Teske wrote: On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Andrzej Tobola wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:44:53PM -0800, Devin Teske wrote: INSTRUCTIONS: 1. cd /usr/src cd /usr/src/usr.sbin ? Sorry… /usr/src/usr.bin You don't need to be root to run it, so it's going into /usr/bin, not sbin. That's not the dividing line, please read hier(7). This should be introduced as a port in /usr/local/sbin to start with, and then we'll see how it goes from there. Doug ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)
On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 3/5/2012 8:24 PM, Devin Teske wrote: On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Andrzej Tobola wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:44:53PM -0800, Devin Teske wrote: INSTRUCTIONS: 1. cd /usr/src cd /usr/src/usr.sbin ? Sorry… /usr/src/usr.bin You don't need to be root to run it, so it's going into /usr/bin, not sbin. That's not the dividing line, please read hier(7). Your right. /usr/sbin fits best. Thanks Doug! This should be introduced as a port in /usr/local/sbin to start with, and then we'll see how it goes from there. Of course and naturally. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
