Re: Great American Gas Out
At 04:42 PM 3/3/2000 , Mark Newton wrote: Our prices are held *up* by the fact that over 50% of them constitute State and Federal taxes. Same in the US and Europe. Driving is a sin that must be taxed, y'know. This week, I traveled from Wyoming to California and discovered that gas prices were 25% higher in the Golden State than in the Cowboy State. Why? Because Californians "tax" themselves by requiring that everyone buy fuel with high concentrations of MTBE, an oxygenating agent. MTBE was supposed to reduce pollution, but in fact is a worse pollutant than oxides of nitrogen ever were. However, since only California refineries make gas with a high enough concentration of MTBE, Californians are locked into buying from these few sources and the price goes up. WAY up. Los Angeles will have $2.50 gas this summer. It's the same the whole world over. Energy policies and fuel costs aren't driven by markets or even common sense. They are controlled by big cartels, big government, and politics. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Great American Gas Out
This week, I traveled from Wyoming to California and discovered that gas prices were 25% higher in the Golden State than in the Cowboy State. Why? Because Californians "tax" themselves by requiring that everyone buy fuel with high concentrations of MTBE, an oxygenating agent. MTBE was supposed to reduce pollution, but in fact is a worse pollutant than oxides of nitrogen ever were. However, since only California refineries make gas with a high enough concentration of MTBE, Californians are locked into buying from these few sources and the price goes up. WAY up. Los Angeles will have $2.50 gas this summer. It's the same the whole world over. Energy policies and fuel costs aren't driven by markets or even common sense. They are controlled by big cartels, big government, and politics. I think you've been reading too much of that commie literature they have out there on the West Coast. Gas taxes are designed to pay for roads and highways, and you have lots more infrastructure in LA than you do in Wyoming. The more you drive, the more you pay. Makes sense to me. As for clean air...Im all for it. You might disagree with specific things being done, but if nothing were done 20 years ago you wouldnt be able to breath in LA at all. Same here in NY. As a staunch Republican I usually disagree with big tax government programs..but the gas tax is very reasonable in this country. Now if we could just do something about those union guys making 100K to put up signs...does it really take 6 men to fill a pothole? JMO Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. - http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI T1/T3/V35/HSSI Cards for FreeBSD and LINUX Multiport T1 and HSSI/T3 UNIX-based Routers Bandwidth Management Standalone Systems Bandwidth Management software for LINUX and FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Great American Gas Out
On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 09:20:09AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: At 04:42 PM 3/3/2000 , Mark Newton wrote: Our prices are held *up* by the fact that over 50% of them constitute State and Federal taxes. Same in the US and Europe. Driving is a sin that must be taxed, y'know. Driving is an activity that incurrs a cost on society, building roads, regular maintainance, salter, snow plows, maintainace to fix the damage the snow plows did, etc. This week, I traveled from Wyoming to California and discovered that gas prices were 25% higher in the Golden State than in the Cowboy State. Why? Because Californians "tax" themselves by requiring that everyone buy fuel with high concentrations of MTBE, an oxygenating agent. MTBE was supposed to reduce pollution, but in fact is a worse pollutant than oxides of nitrogen ever were. However, since only California refineries make gas with a high enough concentration of MTBE, Californians are locked into buying from these few sources and the price goes up. WAY up. Los Angeles will have $2.50 gas this summer. Yet the number of f*cking SUVs and other gas-guzzling vehicles in the region will continue to rise as will the miles driven per vehicle. It's the same the whole world over. Energy policies and fuel costs aren't driven by markets or even common sense. They are controlled by big cartels, big government, and politics. Just like everything else. -- Crist J. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Great American Gas Out
++ 04/03/00 13:26 -0500 - Crist J. Clark:
Driving is an activity that incurrs a cost on society, building roads,
regular maintainance, salter, snow plows, maintainace to fix the
damage the snow plows did, etc.
A cost that is not fully realized in the US.
This week, I traveled from Wyoming to California and discovered that
gas prices were 25% higher in the Golden State than in the Cowboy
State. Why? Because Californians "tax" themselves by requiring that
everyone buy fuel with high concentrations of MTBE, an oxygenating agent.
MTBE was supposed to reduce pollution, but in fact is a worse pollutant
than oxides of nitrogen ever were. However, since only California
refineries make gas with a high enough concentration of MTBE, Californians
are locked into buying from these few sources and the price goes up.
WAY up. Los Angeles will have $2.50 gas this summer.
Yet the number of f*cking SUVs and other gas-guzzling vehicles in the
region will continue to rise as will the miles driven per vehicle.
Sure, personal assult vehicles consume more than they pay for. If
they were taxed at a sane rate, far fewer people would drive them.
This from a serious anarchist who wants to see private roads everywhere.
If everyone payed a private entity to get to work, we'd see a saner
commute schedule. It would be a lot different. Makes you ("you" meaning
people in CA, US) wonder, I hope. I live here.
It's the same the whole world over. Energy policies and fuel costs aren't
driven by markets or even common sense. They are controlled by big
cartels, big government, and politics.
Just like everything else.
The interesting part is that things are about to become a lot different.
The same cartels know that, and they may end up on top, but there is a
radical change in personal transport coming. Things are becoming interesting.
If people choose (if alternative projects advertise well), we'll see
neat things happen.
-j
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Re: Great American Gas Out
"Koster, K.J." wrote: Oh, those Americans. :-) Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, times 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.4 per gallon in the Netherlands. Everyone in the Netherlands drives cars; everyone thinks gas is expensive. This means that the gas prices in the US can go up 440% and people will still drive cars and buy gas (and complain about gas prices, of course). First, this off-topic for -hackers, so I've directed replies to -chat if you want to continue. Second, I know people that commute distances that would cross your country. I suspect the average American uses a lot more gas than the average Nederlander. Third, our gas prices here are held down by all sorts of weird government intervention, bizarre market shenanigans, and a public that doesn't understand that the price of gasoline has risen only 4x in the same period that the price of cars has risen 10x. That's certainly NOT a "natural occurence". Fourth, I'm paying $1.48/gal right now, and I want the price to go DOWN, not UP. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Great American Gas Out
On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 09:56:08AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: "Koster, K.J." wrote: Oh, those Americans. :-) Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, times 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.4 per gallon in the Netherlands. Everyone in the Netherlands drives cars; everyone thinks gas is expensive. This means that the gas prices in the US can go up 440% and people will still drive cars and buy gas (and complain about gas prices, of course). First, this off-topic for -hackers, so I've directed replies to -chat if you want to continue. Sage advice :-) Second, I know people that commute distances that would cross your country. I suspect the average American uses a lot more gas than the average Nederlander. Bah. In Western Australia there's a sheep station called "Little Texas" which just happens to have a land area larger than the state of Texas; I live in Adelaide, so I have to go 600 km East or 3000 km West or 3000 km North to find another population centre with more than 50,000 people; the nearest interstate Capital city is 980 km away. Our cities are also a hell of a lot more widely laid-out than yours: Adelaide, with a pop. of 1.1 million, has the same surface area as New York City. So let's accept that distances in the US are pissant little commuter hops, shall we? :-) Third, our gas prices here are held down by all sorts of weird government intervention, bizarre market shenanigans, and a public that doesn't understand that the price of gasoline has risen only 4x in the same period that the price of cars has risen 10x. That's certainly NOT a "natural occurence". Our prices are held *up* by the fact that over 50% of them constitute State and Federal taxes. Fourth, I'm paying $1.48/gal right now, and I want the price to go DOWN, not UP. I'm paying A$0.83c/L right now, which is roughly A$3.73/gal, which is roughly US$2.76. That means the US price of petroleum can rise by almost 100% and people still still drive the kind of distances which usually constitute international travel. - mark :-) -- Mark Newton Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (W) Network Engineer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H) Internode Systems Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82232999 "Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Great American Gas Out
On Saturday, 4 March 2000 at 10:12:13 +1030, Mark Newton wrote: On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 09:56:08AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: "Koster, K.J." wrote: Oh, those Americans. :-) Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, times 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.4 per gallon in the Netherlands. Everyone in the Netherlands drives cars; everyone thinks gas is expensive. This means that the gas prices in the US can go up 440% and people will still drive cars and buy gas (and complain about gas prices, of course). First, this off-topic for -hackers, so I've directed replies to -chat if you want to continue. Sage advice :-) Second, I know people that commute distances that would cross your country. I suspect the average American uses a lot more gas than the average Nederlander. Bah. In Western Australia there's a sheep station called "Little Texas" which just happens to have a land area larger than the state of Texas; I live in Adelaide, so I have to go 600 km East or 3000 km West or 3000 km North to find another population centre with more than 50,000 people; the nearest interstate Capital city is 980 km away. Melbourne's 750 km. Our cities are also a hell of a lot more widely laid-out than yours: Adelaide, with a pop. of 1.1 million, has the same surface area as New York City. I think you should take a look at Salt Lake City (where Wes lives) before making that sort of claim. SLC is a lot wider than Adelaide. So let's accept that distances in the US are pissant little commuter hops, shall we? :-) Depends on the part of the USA. Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: Great American Gas Out
Oh, those Americans. :-) Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, times 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.4 per gallon in the Netherlands. Everyone in the Netherlands drives cars; everyone thinks gas is expensive. This means that the gas prices in the US can go up 440% and people will still drive cars and buy gas (and complain about gas prices, of course). Kees Jan == You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Great American Gas Out
Subject: Fw: Great American Gas Out This message was received and forwarded - please forward it! Anytime we can stick it to them it's a good day. Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the U.S. to bring the price of gas down, and it worked. It's time to do something about it again.This time, lets make it for three days instead of just one. The oil cartel decided to slow production to drive up gasoline prices. Lets see how many Canadian\American people we can get to ban together for a three day period in April, NOT TO BUY ANY GASOLINE, during those three days. LETS HAVE A GAS OUT. Do not buy any gasoline from APRIL 7, 2000, THROUGH APRIL 9, 2000. Buy what you need before the dates listed above, or after, but try not to buy any during the GAS OUT. If you want to help, just sendthis to everyone you know and ask them to do the same.We brought the prices down once before, and we can do it ag ain! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
