Re: Java (Was Re: NGPT 1.0.0 port to freebsd)
Nate Williams wrote: Actually, it's the reason that Sun is doing the dance with us right now. The whole Java affair has been a series of mis-steps by all parties (myself, BSDi, and Sun), so no one party shares the entire blame. The most recent issue was the BSDi/WindRiver acquisition, which left us w/out any legal advisors (unless we wanted to pay out of the pocket, which would have cost upwards of $2K to solve, not something I can affort). Get on the FreeBSD Foundation funded projects list to get some legal representation. Now that it's a non-profit, people could donate to fund the lawyering you need done, and take it as a tax deduction. I think one of the most valuable things that the new foundation will be able to bring to the table is the ability to get things like this funded, and act as a sort of a clearing-house for this type of work. Also, many companies have a charitable contribution matching program for tax exempt charities; IBM will match employee contributions to such charities on a dollar-for-dollar basis, up to some ungodly amount. I could also see appreciated stock donations -- if you donate appreciated stock, you can deduct the full current value, but not have to pay AMT on it... so you win coming and going. FWIW: If anyone is planning on taking advantage of this, they should definitely consult their tax advisor, since there are limits and restrictions on how this stuff has to be done. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Java (Was Re: NGPT 1.0.0 port to freebsd)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 09:05:25AM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: With the current license, this won't be installed as part of the base kernel. (GPL and/or LGPL) I understand it'll continue to be a port. Am I hearing that it is unacceptable even as a temporary solution because of the license ? It's been answered time and time again over the past months, so you must not be paying attention. The binary distribution hasn't been created because we don't have a legal license to do so (yet). Yes, I've been reading that for a long time now, but it (what Sun is doing) doesn't make any sense to me. Are Sun's reasons (a) Technical ? Passing of JCK etc ? (b) Political ? Yet another competitor to Solaris ? From your posting it appears that it's technical (not passing JCK), as well as political (not getting the license to run JCK). What is their answer reg: blackdown.org doing the same ? May be getting Zdnet to publish an article on this is the right way to go ? The bug parades and votes didn't seem to help much. In summary, a Java binary distribution of JDK1.2.2 will come out *very soon* after a usable license with Sun has been signed. Hopefully, we'll have a JDK1.3 binary distribution soon after, as Greg Lewis has made alot of progress on it and has it limping along right now. That's good to hear. Eagerly awaiting the news. -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Java (Was Re: NGPT 1.0.0 port to freebsd)
With the current license, this won't be installed as part of the base kernel. (GPL and/or LGPL) I understand it'll continue to be a port. Am I hearing that it is unacceptable even as a temporary solution because of the license ? It's been answered time and time again over the past months, so you must not be paying attention. The binary distribution hasn't been created because we don't have a legal license to do so (yet). Yes, I've been reading that for a long time now, but it (what Sun is doing) doesn't make any sense to me. Are Sun's reasons (a) Technical ? Passing of JCK etc ? (b) Political ? Yet another competitor to Solaris ? Sun is very picky about the license they want to give us. In particular, due to a recent fight in court they had with an well-known company in the Pacific Northwest, the type of license they are proposing protects them from just about everything, but doesn't give us enough lee-way to actually distribute the license. The difficulty has been trying to appease Sun's lawyers w/out overlying restricting the team's ability to create and maintain the JDK long-term. (In other words, we don't want to have to go through this over and over again for each new JDK release). From your posting it appears that it's technical (not passing JCK), Passing the JCK/TCK is simply an excercise that we haven't done yet. Basically, once you pass the TCK, you must ship the *EXACT* version of the binary without any modifications. Since we are still doing development of the port, it seemed a waste of time to run the TCK when we may have to run it again if/when the license is signed. (Running the TCK is a long, drawn out process that one doesn't want to repeat if at all possible.) well as political (not getting the license to run JCK). What is their answer reg: blackdown.org doing the same ? Blackdown was given access to the JDK before the recent lawsuit, and as such has 'special' privileges that they are no longer willing to grant to new licensees. May be getting Zdnet to publish an article on this is the right way to go ? The bug parades and votes didn't seem to help much. Actually, it's the reason that Sun is doing the dance with us right now. The whole Java affair has been a series of mis-steps by all parties (myself, BSDi, and Sun), so no one party shares the entire blame. The most recent issue was the BSDi/WindRiver acquisition, which left us w/out any legal advisors (unless we wanted to pay out of the pocket, which would have cost upwards of $2K to solve, not something I can affort). We're hoping to have something for you in the near future. Unfortunately, my Sun contact went on vacation yesterday before I could get some stuff ironed out, and when he gets back from vacation, I'm going on vacation, so nothing can get done with this for at least another month. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
