Re: Laptop suggestions?
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. They're used to access keys which won't physically fit on a laptop keyboard, such as the numeric keypad, NumLock, ScrollLock etc., and (along with function keys) to control hardware-specific functions like switching between internal and external display, turning bluetooth and wlan on and off, adjusting the backlight brightness, etc. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ian Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Re your original issue, can you get any mileage out of using acpi_ibm, devd and this post and/or the other one it references: The laptop in question does not run FreeBSD. I gave up running FreeBSD on any sort of desktop or laptop computer years ago. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. -g DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. Fn is usually used on laptop keyboards to allow two logical keys to share a single physical key. For example, see the keyboard pictured at http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3415.jpg . On the extreme lower right is a key with - in white and End in blue. Pressing it by itself sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's - key. Holding Fn and pressing that key sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's End key. On many keyboards, pressing Fn by itself sends no keycode at all, so it cannot be remapped. It is also sometimes used to control hardware features which on a desktop machine might have a different interface. For instance, on the laptop pictured, holding Fn and pressing F6 would increase the screen brightness, probably without sending a keycode. A desktop machine would probably have a button on the monitor itself to do this. -- Nate Eldredge [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:20PM -0700, Nate Eldredge wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. Fn is usually used on laptop keyboards to allow two logical keys to share a single physical key. For example, see the keyboard pictured at http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3415.jpg . On the extreme lower right is a key with - in white and End in blue. Pressing it by itself sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's - key. Holding Fn and pressing that key sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's End key. On many keyboards, pressing Fn by itself sends no keycode at all, so it cannot be remapped. It is also sometimes used to control hardware features which on a desktop machine might have a different interface. For instance, on the laptop pictured, holding Fn and pressing F6 would increase the screen brightness, probably without sending a keycode. A desktop machine would probably have a button on the monitor itself to do this. I always figured Fn was a good name for the key, given that it resembles the expletive that comes forth from my mouth when intending to hit Control. http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/9328.jpg ;-) -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:31 -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:20PM -0700, Nate Eldredge wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:06:29PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Seconded. Worse still, on my Lenovo T60, if the Fn key is held down longer than a fraction of a second, it generates an input event which just happens to correspond to Gnome's default key binding for the next track function in media players... I've seen that Fn key, but don't know what it is for. What? you press it, then follow with the integers [ 1, 2, 3 ... ]? At any rate, maybe you can remap the key with ~/.xmodmaprc. Fn is usually used on laptop keyboards to allow two logical keys to share a single physical key. For example, see the keyboard pictured at http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3415.jpg . On the extreme lower right is a key with - in white and End in blue. Pressing it by itself sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's - key. Holding Fn and pressing that key sends the keycode corresponding to an ordinary keyboard's End key. On many keyboards, pressing Fn by itself sends no keycode at all, so it cannot be remapped. It is also sometimes used to control hardware features which on a desktop machine might have a different interface. For instance, on the laptop pictured, holding Fn and pressing F6 would increase the screen brightness, probably without sending a keycode. A desktop machine would probably have a button on the monitor itself to do this. Thanks for clearing up a back-of-mind mystery since I bought my 600E in 2003; I kept hitting the Fn for the ^ key, and *nothing happened* so I had to re-type the control sequence. It is an ill-planned layout and I'm sure that 'BM has heard about it from us hacker types. --Why this is the best list in the (known) universe. Seriously. I always figured Fn was a good name for the key, given that it resembles the expletive that comes forth from my mouth when intending to hit Control. That ain't that much of a joke, Jeremy. unless I'm at my desk with wrist-rest I can barely reach the back keys. [shoulder problems]. So far I've invented around 7--maybe 8--new profanities. BTW, if that jpeg is a Lenovo, is that a scratch-and-sniff pad below the mouse buttons? (The TPad's *did* need a redesign, but for me, the trakmouse/trakstick/whatever was perfect. My left paw went right there.) ...FWIW, I just bought a G41 (3.06GHz) pre-Lenovo. gary http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/9328.jpg ;-) ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Olander wrote: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt Hi, I have always thought that Fn key in left most bottom corner of the keyboard is, especially for programmers, a very bad idea. :-( Otherwise it looks very promising although DVI or HDMI video output would be very welcome these days as would be built-in Bluetooth. (Btw thanks for RS232!:)) Cheers, Martin ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Please define comfortable. I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss I am sure this is not intentional, but a lot of the responses in this thread mention not using Bluetooth. If only to make sure that people are not led to believe that Bluetooth support in FreeBSD is lacking, I would like to mention that I have been using it for a long while with Apple Keyboard (something Windows incarnation of the same laptop is not capable of), Logitech V570(?) mouse, Palms E2 and TX (former NAT'd out to the network through FreeBSD host) and the string of Motorola phones for moving pictures, sounds and Java applications back and forth using OBEX. And, just to throw out some other definition of the comfortable -- I find my ThinkPad X61 (12 diagonally, 4.5lbs) much more comfortable to carry around than my iBook G4 or the smallest of the MacBooks being sold today. I guess, comfortable is on the lap of the beholder ;) -- Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft proposal for such. and even more amazing, that we still have to configure the baudrate! You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do hurt). But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of them with FreeBSD-based servers. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. there is an old saying, If Moses can't get to the hill, the hill will come to Moses or is it the other way round? get a serial to ethernet gadgets, or use IPMI/ILO/or-whatever-will-be-next. I agree with Achim, I also tried to run FreeBSD on some laptops, and I lost. The Mac has some drawbacks, sure, but it has - still - a Unix flavour, and FreeBSD still rocks on the servers, slightly less on the descktop - nvidia ... danny ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 20:26 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Tom Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: Please define comfortable. I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works (security/libfprint). I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) based card.. Do you have an up-to-date BIOS? I had some problems booting from USB that I could solve using the latest BIOS version. Yes, latest BIOS. If you search through the BIOS file, it is fairly easy to find the list of 'approved' HP vendor/device ids that it will allow to be put in the mini pci-e slot and still boot up (there are only 4 distinct device ids defined in the BIOS). I've considered just manually editing it to replace one of the device ids with my replacement card, but I fear I would probably brick the laptop! Tom signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On 2008-Jul-27 17:23:46 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we'd need a method of remembering what file handles were connected to so that they could be reopened (in this, I envision some type of text string... maybe a URI/URL). As a bonus, this would give us process migration between systems, too (assuming the URI were portable between self same systems --- which isn't horribly hard with nfs mounts and whatnot). What you are describing here sounds more like the process checkpointing functionality that Softway (I think it was) developed sometime last century. There should be a paper on it in an AUUG Conference Proceedings somewhere. Process checkpointing is somewhat different to suspend/resume: With suspend/resume, you are saving the entire system state - which is basically a matter of dumping physical RAM to disk and being able to restore it later. You don't need to be able to isolate individual processes and there's no need to 'reopen' file handles because they will automatically re-instantiate when you restore the kernel state that included them being open. -- Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. pgpyhwTa6iaix.pgp Description: PGP signature
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And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): I bought Lenovo T61 recently and dont see any hight GPU temperatures. GPU temperature is about 55C when idling. I never notice (so far) temperature above 65C. More annoying is (subjectively) hot HDD under right wrist. Cheers Aleš ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Olander wrote: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture looks like it have. My experience show, that if one want to have decent 3D acceleration on freebsd, there is only one way - i386 + nvidia driver. I know Intel video cards are very pro-open source, but the driver for those cards is not better then nvidia's. Also I guess some time will pass before we see those laptops in Europe? -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:03AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: Matt Olander wrote: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture looks like it have. FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:03AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: Matt Olander wrote: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture looks like it have. FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. multimedia/pwcbsd multimedia/linux-gspca-kmod multimedia/linux-ov511-kmod Though I never heard for someone using successfully his webcam with skype2 ;) http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html The question for webcamps pop-ups regularly on -multimedia. -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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El día Thursday, July 31, 2008 a las 11:37:16AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev escribió: FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. multimedia/pwcbsd multimedia/linux-gspca-kmod multimedia/linux-ov511-kmod Though I never heard for someone using successfully his webcam with skype2 ;) http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html The question for webcamps pop-ups regularly on -multimedia. I've this cam: Mar 19 10:31:28 rebelion kernel: pwc0: vendor 0x0471 product 0x0329, rev 1.10/0.03, addr 2 Mar 19 10:31:29 rebelion kernel: pwc0: Philips SPC900NC USB webcam Mar 19 10:31:29 rebelion kernel: pwc0: This camera is equipped with a Sony CCD sensor + TDA8787 (32 which is supported by multimedia/pwcbsd and works fine with Ekiga (SVN version) via the V4L plugin of ptlib (ptlib/plugins/vidinput_v4l); matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ We should all learn from the peoples of The Netherlands, France and Ireland. Aprendamos todos de los pueblos de Holanda, Francia e Irlanda. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 31.07.2008 um 02:45 schrieb Carlos A. M. dos Santos: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Please define comfortable. You just did so: I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader [...] the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. Great Lord. I just opened the box, turned the machine on and - after waiting fo about a few minutes - just began using it. Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. Getting X to run on the *censored* *even more censorship*? No problem, it's even launching itself should I really need it. Camera? Built-in. Unix that feels like FreeBSD? Built- in. HSDPA? Just connect the USB modem or plug in the Merlin XU. NO FUCKING INTEL STICKERS TO PEEL OFF. PRICELESS. It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do hurt). But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of them with FreeBSD-based servers. Achim
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft proposal for such. You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do hurt). But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of them with FreeBSD-based servers. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 31.07.2008 um 12:08 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Wrong; I'm using them all the time. Initial kneading of serious Cisco stuff still didn't get into the 21. century. My tool of choice is an ExSys EX-1372 (ExpressCard, but that's just a fancy packaging for USB) which is - using the Mac OS built-in driver or Windows 2000 - working out of the box and interrupt delivery is good enough to run Auerswald's Java application for their PABX systems (which is so timing-dependent that it is refusing to work with quite a few real serial ports). Are you aware of the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft proposal for such. I don't care. It just *works*, even with off-the-mill Prolific trash (although those will not suffice for my telefone). I won't even get into typical Mac-user's creature comforts like using Bluetooth serial devices (just power it on and the Mac magically sprouts a /dev/cu.Bluetooth-dongle-name.subdevice plus /dev/tty.the same which will even do fancy stuff like automatic speed and parity settings. so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. Which is true for so many things. Which I can buy off-the-shelf for Mac OS. No hassle, no hacking, no sweat. For me a desktop machine is a tool; I won't give it more consideration than a screwdriver. It has to do its job which (again: for me) is delivering a usable front- end for servers and writing documentation (and bills!) plus doing all the communication stuff I need to be able to work wherever I am. It boils down to: Unix, no Linux, Word (They make me need it...), VMware. It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do hurt). But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of them with FreeBSD-based servers. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in comparison to Mac OS. And after all, Mac users need FreeBSD - who else should provide them with all the nice things from ipfw to the user land? Would you really expect Apple to do it all on its own? Face it: The real difference between servers and desktops is the who has to bend over-question. Servers are adapted to the software they are going to run while on personal computers the software has to adapt to the machine (I want that shiny Sony. I don't care if the hardware sucks, it's beautiful.). And Chuck is quite definitely lacking at bending over... Achim
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:07:31PM -0700, Matt Olander wrote: On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: Matt Olander wrote: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt h nice! battery life? I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper sticker on the lid of mine ;-) Would it be possible to order it not from US, and how much shipping may cost ? pgpfSZ9JDYMr8.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:48:02PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: I don't care. I can see that; thanks for summing it up. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in comparison to Mac OS. And after all, Mac users need FreeBSD - who else should provide them with all the nice things from ipfw to the user land? Would you really expect Apple to do it all on its own? Face it: The real difference between servers and desktops is the who has to bend over-question. Servers are adapted to the software they are going to run while on personal computers the software has to adapt to the machine (I want that shiny Sony. I don't care if the hardware sucks, it's beautiful.). And Chuck is quite definitely lacking at bending over... You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but could be positive depending on how you look at it. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 01:26:18AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Hi, FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. Luigi Rizzo was (is?) working on webcam support: http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html -- Regards, Richard. /* Homo Sapiens non urinat in ventum */ ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Please define comfortable. I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. -- Carlos Santos Working, but not speaking (or advertising) for HP :-) Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works (security/libfprint). I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) based card.. I could imagine if you just need to play with an OS, or if you mainly develop the OS, running it under some sort of VM on a host system would be more useful. For me, running under VM would be a nightmare. Tom signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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Jeremy Chadwick schrieb: You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but could be positive depending on how you look at it. But he has a point. Or better: I can see why he is so ambivalent. For some people it may be enough that you can boot a laptop with FreeBSD and it works with sound+gfx+wifi (if you buy wisely). E.g. it's OK for my Lifebook E8010 and it boots up fast enough so that not having ACPI suspend/resume isn't a drama. It also proved easier to upgrade than Ubuntu on the same hardware. But some people just want their notebook to work in the way it is intended to and with all features they actually paid money for. For those, Apple's offerings are hard to beat. Heck, Apple notebooks even beat Windows-notebooks from vendors who have been selling them for 10 or 15 years in terms of battery-life, mobility and usefulness on the road. No surprise here that FreeBSD loses out. Incidentially. if you go to a (BSD)-conference, even a lot of FreeBSD developers have Apple notebooks (not all, though - but you get Apple-logos galore...). Percentage may be even higher among CORE members - and there's nothing wrong about that. OTOH, I still prefer konsole and xterms on the above FreeBSD notebook, even compared to my (latest-generation) 24 inch iMac. It just feels X'ier, if you know what I mean There are voiced opinions every couple of months that boil down to something along the line of: Just get rid of all the [mobile|old|whatever] crap and concentrate on the server-space, I need [insert server-feature] more than I need this ACPI-stuff that didn't work for me anyway. But I don't think this leads anywhere ;-) Also, I feel it somehow denigrates the work committers do in this area - unpaid work, mostly (is anybody actually paid for hacking this stuff?), I assume. And isn't ACPI nowadays used universally to distribute resources (IRQs etc.) to expansion-cards, even in servers? cheers, Rainer ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:48 +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in comparison to Mac OS. The problem is that you are expressing your opinion as if it is a Basic Fact of the Universe. It ain't. Get over it. (For the record, I've been running FreeBSD on laptops for, well, lots of years now. Not to mention on my main desktop system for a lot longer than that. I'm _very_ happy with it. On the other hand, the Mac interface annoys me endlessly. But of course that's _my_ opinion.) -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:54 +0200 Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting X to run on the *censored* *even more censorship*? No problem, Like you say, it depends on what you want from X. Leopard's X was tolerable. Tiger broke full screen mode, and Apple doesn't have the resources to fix it. Running X tools in a Mac WM means you get the worst features of both, and I gave up on that after about 20 minutes. So I now run FreeBSD in VMWare - to get a usable X server and window manager. The apps - mostly from macports - all run under OSX. The application selection isn't as good as FreeBSD, but the results are about as close as you're going to get with full hardware support. FWIW, it looks like VirtualBox will have client-side tools support for FreeBSD in the next release (as in, it looks like it's in their repository), at which point that will become my preferred VM solution for FreeBSD clients. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Tom Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: Please define comfortable. I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works (security/libfprint). I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) based card.. Do you have an up-to-date BIOS? I had some problems booting from USB that I could solve using the latest BIOS version. -- If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you lack sufficient imagination. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Olander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 30.07.2008 um 15:17 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: Matt Olander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) If you need something like that, a partially eaten white apple would be much more appropriate anyway. (Which reminds me - I didn't understand the motivation behind the original question either... Even more and more Linux users are giving up running it on their Macs, installing Mac OS instead. Looks contagious...) Achim
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Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt Olander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) If you need something like that, a partially eaten white apple would be much more appropriate anyway. (Which reminds me - I didn't understand the motivation behind the original question either... Even more and more Linux users are giving up running it on their Macs, installing Mac OS instead. Looks contagious...) I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Achim
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right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. It depends on what you consider to be comfortable. My primary machine is an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). I'm much more comfortable with ignorable ACPI issues on old (but perfectly capable) hardware than running everything through a VM on a brand new top-of-the-line machine. While this message is entirely anecdotal, I'm sure there are quite a few other people happily running FreeBSD on a variety of machines (albeit, somewhat aged hardware) which doesn't come near the specifications outlined in the original post. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:31:10PM -0400, L Campbell wrote: It depends on what you consider to be comfortable. My primary machine is an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). vbetool post? Joerg ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:20:28 +0200 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. I have been running for the last two years in a ThinkPad T43 and it works fine. ATI graphics work well as does everything except the modem. Since I don't have any access to any dialup network service any more, I don't think I care, although I do carry an old PCMCIA modem card, just in case. Suspend also does not work reliably, but I don't normally suspend my system, anyway, so I don't notice that, either. Atheros wireless, Broadcomm Ethernet, graphics, DRI, USB all just work and have worked since V6.1 days. That said, I suspect that my next laptop with be a Mac with either VMware or Parallels, My wife already runs one and it's pretty nice. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 pgp42tCPCHiOv.pgp Description: PGP signature
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2008/7/30 Matt Olander [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. Any chances it will be available with trackpoint instead of touchpad? :) Thanks, -- Mateusz Guzik ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Olander wrote: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt h nice! battery life? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: Matt Olander wrote: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt h nice! battery life? I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper sticker on the lid of mine ;-) -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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0n Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:04:38PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:31:10PM -0400, L Campbell wrote: It depends on what you consider to be comfortable. My primary machine is an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). vbetool post? Is vbetool in ports ? I cant find it mentioned anywhere in INDEX-*. -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:25:04AM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: vbetool post? Is vbetool in ports ? I cant find it mentioned anywhere in INDEX-*. Can't find it either. ENOFREEBSD :) http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/vbetool/ Joerg ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 at 18:35 -, Mateusz Guzik wrote: 2008/7/30 Matt Olander [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Any chances it will be available with trackpoint instead of touchpad? :) I like that it has a serial port on it. What does it have for audio? A line-in connection would also be very welcome. Also, how about 3 buttons on the touchpad? I really like having a middle button. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav: I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Please define comfortable. I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. -- Carlos Santos Working, but not speaking (or advertising) for HP :-) ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. Cheers, Mezz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - Servers for Open Source http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading all the replies I'm actually taking your suggestion and going with Fujitsu, specifically the E8420. I'm getting the NVidia option and I'll be running in i386 mode until FreeBSD can handle the nvidia requirements for amd64 mode. Atheros wireless, WSXGA+ option and 2GB upgradable to 4. I'll keep my fingers crossed with regard to working suspend/resume but again I'm not holding my breath. They claim that with the 8-cell main and 6-cell modular battery it has a 5:30 runtime; we'll see. Having had several fujitsu's before the current run of Dell laptops, I always found them better than average for FreeBSD support. Even (last one I had) suspending to RAM. The Dells I've currently been buying are very high end models and my impression of Dell is that their cheap models are not worth bothering with, their middle of the price range models are mostly acceptable with some lemons and their high end systems are very well done. That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code project. I was thinking that beyond swapping everything out (probably easy enough) and providing a clue to a newly booted OS that the processes had to be reactiveated, we'd need a method of remembering what file handles were connected to so that they could be reopened (in this, I envision some type of text string... maybe a URI/URL). As a bonus, this would give us process migration between systems, too (assuming the URI were portable between self same systems --- which isn't horribly hard with nfs mounts and whatnot). ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 05:23:46PM -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code project. I don't think it is feasible as SoC project without previous knowledge and interaction with at least the ACPI suspend-to-RAM code (or alternative the low-level boot code) and VM knowledge (both MI and MD). I believe it can be done in 3 month though. Joerg ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 05:23:46PM -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code project. I don't think it is feasible as SoC project without previous knowledge and interaction with at least the ACPI suspend-to-RAM code (or alternative the low-level boot code) and VM knowledge (both MI and MD). I believe it can be done in 3 month though. Actually, the point I was tryinng to make is that the os implemented suspend-to-disk doesn't need any knowledge of ACPI or any other dependancies. VM knowledge, yes. Some inventive design for (re) opening file handles and other system resources... but the mess that is ACPI doesn't seem to be needed for this. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:02 -0400, John Nielsen wrote: On Thursday 24 July 2008, Frank Mayhar wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). Turns out the issue is a known problem, although one that Dell is apparently refusing to own up to, with overheating causing problems with the power connector on the 5150 and 5160 motherboards and often with other nearby components as well. Annoying, and makes me want to stay away from Dell. I haven't played with one hands-on, but the laptop I was going to buy until $work supplied a different one was a Fujitsu Lifebook E8410. It has a few customization options if you get it from Fujitsu directly. Among these are Intel graphics and Atheros wireless, 2 of the main things I was looking for for good FreeBSD hw support. After reading all the replies I'm actually taking your suggestion and going with Fujitsu, specifically the E8420. I'm getting the NVidia option and I'll be running in i386 mode until FreeBSD can handle the nvidia requirements for amd64 mode. Atheros wireless, WSXGA+ option and 2GB upgradable to 4. I'll keep my fingers crossed with regard to working suspend/resume but again I'm not holding my breath. They claim that with the 8-cell main and 6-cell modular battery it has a 5:30 runtime; we'll see. -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following As someone who used (and use) 360, 701C, T30, T42p, X60 and T61p, I wholeheartedly agree with past experiences... with past being a key word. While I could not complain about FreeBSD support (none of the FreeBSD problems I have are ThinkPad-specific), manufacturing quality has gone down considerably. My not-two-years-old X60 chipped in places and my wife's 8-months-old T61p is no longer capable of keeping the screen upright. This is in the stark contrast with T42p I (ab)used for $work for more than three years, with the only visible outcome being loss of the caption on the Enter key. So if Thinkpads are no longer the go ... what is ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 01:51:35PM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following As someone who used (and use) 360, 701C, T30, T42p, X60 and T61p, I wholeheartedly agree with past experiences... with past being a key word. While I could not complain about FreeBSD support (none of the FreeBSD problems I have are ThinkPad-specific), manufacturing quality has gone down considerably. My not-two-years-old X60 chipped in places and my wife's 8-months-old T61p is no longer capable of keeping the screen upright. This is in the stark contrast with T42p I (ab)used for $work for more than three years, with the only visible outcome being loss of the caption on the Enter key. So if Thinkpads are no longer the go ... what is ? I'm buying a new computer, what should I buy? Buy whatever suits your needs, and feels comfortable for you. I'd recommend, if at all possible, going to a major computer store or electronics outlet and trying out a Lenovo. Spend 30 minutes with it. I realise you can't run FreeBSD on them, but get a feel for the machine itself -- if the keyboard works well with your fingers, if you like the mixed touchpad/fingertip mouse, if it feels sturdy to you, if you like the LCD, etc... Example: I really did not like the weight of the T60p. I'm a cyclist and do not drive, so hauling a laptop around means I prefer it to be light. My employer requires that all the T60ps use the larger battery, which plays a significant role. I tried a smaller model (I believe one with a 14 screen), and the weight was wonderful -- but after 20 minutes of use, I started experiencing headaches and nausea. The backlighting on the LCD was the cause, while I had no such problems using the T60p. My point is, you gotta use the machine for a little bit (even if in Windows) and get a feel for it. I know this is hard to do when most vendors nowadays expect people to just click-and-buy, but when spending that kind of money on something, it's worth trying first. With regards to OS compatibility, this is a difficult one. Googling to see what other people have experienced is pretty much the only option, or you get to find out yourself. Ideally in this day and age, you shouldn't have to worry about hardware compatibility with an OS; the OS should work with what you have, not the other way around. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm buying a new computer, what should I buy?
Buy whatever suits your needs, and feels comfortable for you.
With regards to OS compatibility, this is a difficult one. Googling to
see what other people have experienced is pretty much the only option,
or you get to find out yourself.
But this is the reason Frank asks which computer to buy. I don't think
he is expecting to be told about the weight of a laptop; he can figure
this himself. But how can you figure OS compatibility from 20minutes
test drive? That's why you ask for other persons experiences.
Personally if i were to buy a laptop right now, i would buy one that
would be fully compatible with bsd or linux even if this meant paying
a few more euros or getting something heavier... Unfortunately this
kind of info {OS-- compatibility} isn't advertised, or written in
specs.
From my perspective freebsd should advertise(*) the laptops that
work with it, out of the box, so that new users {like me} know what to
buy; and large corporations have a benefit for promoting OS
compatibility other than Windows(tm).
-best regards
nikos
(*) when i say advertise , i mean make this info publicly available
and easily accessible from the website
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Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 01:36:37PM +0300, Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm buying a new computer, what should I buy?
Buy whatever suits your needs, and feels comfortable for you.
With regards to OS compatibility, this is a difficult one. Googling to
see what other people have experienced is pretty much the only option,
or you get to find out yourself.
But this is the reason Frank asks which computer to buy. I don't think
he is expecting to be told about the weight of a laptop; he can figure
this himself. But how can you figure OS compatibility from 20minutes
test drive? That's why you ask for other persons experiences.
Personally if i were to buy a laptop right now, i would buy one that
would be fully compatible with bsd or linux even if this meant paying
a few more euros or getting something heavier... Unfortunately this
kind of info {OS-- compatibility} isn't advertised, or written in
specs.
From my perspective freebsd should advertise(*) the laptops that
work with it, out of the box, so that new users {like me} know what to
buy; and large corporations have a benefit for promoting OS
compatibility other than Windows(tm).
-best regards
nikos
(*) when i say advertise , i mean make this info publicly available
and easily accessible from the website
You really have no idea to what granularity/extreme laptop vendors make
changes to their laptops. Do not, even for a moment, think that any
time they make a hardware modification that they change a model number
or increase a version number: they don't. Hell, it's hard enough
getting ASIC manufacturers to do this (Realtek I'm looking at you).
Here's a real example: do you know how many actual hardware
revisions/models of the T60p there are, just in the United States?
Let's look:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/homeLenovo.do?country=us
Select Notebooks and Handhelds from the pulldown.
For Family, select ThinkPad T60p.
Now look at how many entries there are under Type. Choose one.
Now look at how many entries there are under Model.
Now do you still feel what you want is reasonable? :-)
I understand where it is you're coming from -- you essentially want the
same thing Microsoft totes with their Certified for xxx logos on
hardware -- which as I'm sure you also know amounts to nothing more than
marketing schmooze.
User X would report that FreeBSD works on their laptop, but then 3
months later, user Y would report X feature doesn't work on their
laptop, which then amounts to is laptop really compatible with
FreeBSD? Etc. etc...
I'm sure you see where I'm coming from.
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On 2008-Jul-25 13:36:37 +0300, Aggelidis Nikos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From my perspective freebsd should advertise(*) the laptops that
work with it, out of the box, so that new users {like me} know what to
buy;
Who do you suggest is going to do this? Buying one of every type of
laptop, installing (or working out how to install) FreeBSD and
checking which bits of the laptop do/don't work with which version of
FreeBSD is an expensive exercise in both time and effort. The best
that exists at present is http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ - but it
suffers from the problem that by the time someone has bought a laptop
and checked it out, that model is obsolete. In my case, I bought my
laptop because I knew someone who had the identical model.
and large corporations have a benefit for promoting OS
compatibility other than Windows(tm).
The vendors don't seem interested in doing this - I suspect that they
are pressured not to support anything other than Winbloze (you might
notice that two very high profile Linux-only laptops have recently
grown Winbloze variants). Successive generations of laptops have
become less and less free-OS-friendly.
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:00:38PM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: Successive generations of laptops have become less and less free-OS-friendly. This is simply wrong. Most laptops ship either with Ati or Intel chipset. Both tend to be well supported. With a bit care, you will get wpi as wireless chipset (e.g. avoid draft n). I found ACPI compliance to have improved a lot over the recent time and in fact the number of ACPI bugs that can't be worked around in general ways has become very low. Joerg ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): Likewise, I've had difficulty with the z60t, which has suspend issues (it doesn't), and occasional atheros flakiness that I have been meaning to bug Sam about but haven't had time to do so as yet. Sadly, the battery failed quite quickly once the warranty expired, so I barely use it anymore, which is something of a shame but left me with a bad impression. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), which you can disable: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from Lenovo. Draw your own conclusions. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. //rk ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests was for 4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many laptops advertising 4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice things like DPMS it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any support is the SD card reader. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 08:35:44PM +0300, Razmig K wrote: How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. A co-worker of mine has a Dell (I forget which model; I'll ask him this coming week), running Kubuntu. The overall compatibility is quite good, and I haven't heard any complaints from him. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Zaphod Beeblebrox a écrit : On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests was for 4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). [...] it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. The aforementioned Dell models offer the Intel graphics accelerator X3100 as an option, which appears to be supported pretty well on both 32 and 64 bit architectures. A fairly recent thread at PC-BSD forums reports successful use of Compiz Fusion (albeit on Ubuntu Gutsy) with this accelerator: http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?f=25t=10936start=0st=0sk=tsd=a //rk ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. There is a problem is you're running the AMD64 chipsets, but I'm running a quad core processor here, and my Nvidia card (8600GTS) with it's compiled Nvidia driver works just fine. One of the original requests was for 4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many laptops advertising 4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice things like DPMS it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any support is the SD card reader. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiKSCYACgkQz62J6PPcoOmb/ACdGHfxU4Rpt9k9UaYYc6X2UpFD TQkAnA0hlM1UwzDJMUpAe72zJIGQ0vBN =95ZS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 July 2008, Frank Mayhar wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). I haven't played with one hands-on, but the laptop I was going to buy until $work supplied a different one was a Fujitsu Lifebook E8410. It has a few customization options if you get it from Fujitsu directly. Among these are Intel graphics and Atheros wireless, 2 of the main things I was looking for for good FreeBSD hw support. My criteria: * 3D acceleration. check ought to work w/ intel(4x) driver on i386 or amd64 * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). AFAIK. I was planning to select the Atheros option and leave it.. * At least 15 screen. 15.4 Wide with WSXGA+ option * Decent power consumption. Unknown, but available 8-cell main and 6-cell modular batteries. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. AFAIK. Nice to have: * Dual core. check. * 4GB memory. =4GB avail. (can you get more on a laptop yet?) * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). unknown. has any progress been made WRT suspend/resume + SMP on FreeBSD in general? So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Best of luck and do post your experiences. JN ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. Cheers, Mezz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
IBM Z series, my Z60M Titanium, runs great and still actually looks brand new being 2+ years old the X, T and Z series laptops are all decent, i cant say on quality, im still using the one i got almost three years ago with no issues. 1680x1050 on a 15'4 wide wcreen is nice also. I also have an Asus that i really havent had any issues with quite honestly. And can also say from field experience Fujitsus got some decent models available. Though take note, I dont abuse my mobile equiptment. Another way you might want to consider is a UMPC known to run FreeBSD. there are some sub-size and UMPC systems out there that will run FreeBSD nicely, ASUS makes one, and well personally im waiting on the HTC Shift to be delivered and hacked On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Jeremy Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. Cheers, Mezz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laptop suggestions?
My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following articles for further tips/advices: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile -- Thank you. -zamri- ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following articles for further tips/advices: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), which you can disable: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from Lenovo. Draw your own conclusions. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following articles for further tips/advices: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), which you can disable: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from Lenovo. Draw your own conclusions. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not that hot. apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the nVidia vga also runs fine. matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nenhum_de_Nos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following articles for further tips/advices: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), which you can disable: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from Lenovo. Draw your own conclusions. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not that hot. apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the nVidia vga also runs fine. matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] all, I'm currently running a lenovo x61 tablet without much complaint -- i *do* notice that it gets hot from time to time -- its much better if its run on desk rather than a lap ;p -- ACPI is still a little shaky -- if you plan on getting a iwi miniPCI -- namely 4965 and the like there IS a driver for it and it currently is in -CURRENT -- you can also patch this to 7.0 with the perforce code -- both of those should be readily available on the freebsd page wiki -- i would recommend tracking current if i were on a laptop since more things are getting merged in the development and i find freebsd moving towards a more mobile and desktop world even though we are still focused on servers -- i expect you will not get sleep working since its easier i find for it to sleep than wake up -- thinkpads seem to work well and in my experience i find more and more programmers and open source oriented people getting them -- the nature of
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:39 +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15 screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * 4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following As someone who used (and use) 360, 701C, T30, T42p, X60 and T61p, I wholeheartedly agree with past experiences... with past being a key word. While I could not complain about FreeBSD support (none of the FreeBSD problems I have are ThinkPad-specific), manufacturing quality has gone down considerably. My not-two-years-old X60 chipped in places and my wife's 8-months-old T61p is no longer capable of keeping the screen upright. This is in the stark contrast with T42p I (ab)used for $work for more than three years, with the only visible outcome being loss of the caption on the Enter key. Battery on my X60 died few weeks past 1-year warranty ;-( Just 2c worth of the data points. -- Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
