Re: New feutures...........
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:03:49 +0800 Rafter Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. As the BeOS developers used to say: NO C++ in the kernel. Follow that simple rule and you'll be safe :-) -- Miguel Mendez - [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:03:49PM +0800, Rafter Man wrote: 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. Geez, talk about a bleak outlook for the future. I see myself flying over a frozen Hell on the back of a pig before that happens. -- George C A ReidTel: (08701) 200870 Ext. 26654 FreeBSD Committer/Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oriel College, Oxford University[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM +, George Reid wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:03:49PM +0800, Rafter Man wrote: 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. Geez, talk about a bleak outlook for the future. I see myself flying over a frozen Hell on the back of a pig before that happens. pig... hmmm. How about a pinguin instead? :) -- | / o / /_ _ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
* Wilko Bulte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM +, George Reid wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:03:49PM +0800, Rafter Man wrote: 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. Geez, talk about a bleak outlook for the future. I see myself flying over a frozen Hell on the back of a pig before that happens. pig... hmmm. How about a pinguin instead? Sorry, the penguin's reserved for when we reimpliment it in Perl. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
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2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers
will rewrite the system in C++.
God, I certainly hope NOT.
Jordan, I do agree absolutely and hope your hopes will come true ... :-)
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New feutures...........
Hi FreeBSD lovers :-) First af all I would like to thank the FreeBSD developers for making such a great system! Half a year ago, I had to choose an OS for my server and the first decision was between Windows and Unix, ofcourse it didn't take much research to determine that Unix were the better choice. But now I had to choose from Linux, Solaris and one of the BSD's, and one of the BSD's is was. After a little reseach I had nerroed it down to OpenBSD and FreeBSD, and FreeBSD won me over :-) But enough of this, on to the 2 requests: 1. Is there a way to hide a user from other users? Fx programs like w, who, users, netstat, top, ps all show what other users are doing. It would fx be a good idea to hide root or the admin's activities from other users. If you are trying to catch a cracker, then you know that he/she if not stupid enough to login while other users (especial root) are online. But perhaps this feuture to hide a user already exists? 2. After having read Operating systems - Internals and Design Principles by William Stallings I have a few questions. He writes, among other things, about VM, process and tread design, and compares Unix SVR4, Solaris and Windows NT. Sometimes he more or less say, that what fx Solaris have done is the way of the future and other times the unix way was the bedst. I don't want to discuss why FreeBSD have designed the kernel as they have, but I know that sometimes when you work very closely with something, you forget to look up. I mean, does FreeBSD analyse the Linux and Solaris kernel, maybe adobt some of the good thing they have made? I don't expect FreeBSD to rewrite the kernel, but to learn from Solaris and Linux. If FreeBSD allready do this, then I am sorry for having troubled you with this mail!!! Best regards Rafter ps: 1. I hope that in the future FreeBSD will remain a servers only OS. Meaning that I hope the developers don't spend to much time making games, grafical programs and stuff like gnome/kde/x11. 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. 3. I hope for even more focuse on security. 4. I will do my part and help FreeBSD the bedst I can. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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Rafter Man wrote: 1. Is there a way to hide a user from other users? Fx programs like w, who, users, netstat, top, ps all show what other users are doing. The most common approach to this is to run the exterior services in a jail (see: man jail). When the user logs into the jail, they do not see users in other jails, and they do not see users in the host environment (outside the jail). I mean, does FreeBSD analyse the Linux and Solaris kernel, maybe adobt some of the good thing they have made? I don't expect FreeBSD to rewrite the kernel, but to learn from Solaris and Linux. If FreeBSD allready do this, then I am sorry for having troubled you with this mail!!! FreeBSD already does this, as for as it can do so without violating license restrictions (e.g. looking at the Solaris sources is risky). ps: 1. I hope that in the future FreeBSD will remain a servers only OS. Meaning that I hope the developers don't spend to much time making games, grafical programs and stuff like gnome/kde/x11. The developers will work on what they want to work on. If that happens to be KDE, then it happens to be KDE. If not, then not. 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. Not likely, due to the overhead. You might want to check out SPRITE (out of UCB), or Choices (out of UKY), if you are really wanting a C++ based OS. There are several very hard chicken-and-egg problems, e.g. the construction of pure virtual based class shared method instances, and so on, which are normally handled by the host OS calling .init entry points at program startup, which would be difficult or impossible to do without tools modifications for a self-hosting OS. 3. I hope for even more focuse on security. 4. I will do my part and help FreeBSD the bedst I can. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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Rafter Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. I think you're alone on that one. Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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Rafter Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. You need to have your head examined. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
Can't address many of these, but will address one. On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Rafter Man wrote: Hi FreeBSD lovers :-) First af all I would like to thank the FreeBSD developers for making such a great system! Half a year ago, I had to choose an OS for my server and the first decision was between Windows and Unix, ofcourse it didn't take much research to determine that Unix were the better choice. But now I had to choose from Linux, Solaris and one of the BSD's, and one of the BSD's is was. After a little reseach I had nerroed it down to OpenBSD and FreeBSD, and FreeBSD won me over :-) But enough of this, on to the 2 requests: 1. Is there a way to hide a user from other users? Fx programs like w, who, users, netstat, top, ps all show what other users are doing. It would fx be a good idea to hide root or the admin's activities from other users. If you are trying to catch a cracker, then you know that he/she if not stupid enough to login while other users (especial root) are online. But perhaps this feuture to hide a user already exists? -STABLE has this facility to a limited degree: you can use jail, or via the sysctl kern.ps_showallprocs. -CURRENT has a much more complete solution here, due to some re-architecting of the way credentials are handled, and has a series of kernel security policy tweaks, including a related kern.security.bsd.see_other_uids sysctl, which also affects the ability to see sockets in netstat, etc. FreeBSD 5.0, depending on the release schedule and how much work we get done, will have some amount of support for several mandatory access control models. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
First af all I would like to thank the FreeBSD developers for making such a great system! Half a year ago, I had to choose an OS for my server and the first decision was between Windows and Unix, ofcourse it didn't take much research to determine that Unix were the better choice. But now I had to choose from Linux, Solaris and one of the BSD's, and one of the BSD's is was. After a little reseach I had nerroed it down to OpenBSD and FreeBSD, and FreeBSD won me over :-) But enough of this, on to the 2 requests: 1. Is there a way to hide a user from other users? Fx programs like w, who, users, netstat, top, ps all show what other users are doing. It would fx be a good idea to hide root or the admin's activities from other users. If you are trying to catch a cracker, then you know that he/she if not stupid enough to login while other users (especial root) are online. But perhaps this feuture to hide a user already exists? 2. After having read Operating systems - Internals and Design Principles by William Stallings I have a few questions. He writes, among other things, about VM, process and tread design, and compares Unix SVR4, Solaris and Windows NT. Sometimes he more or less say, that what fx Solaris have done is the way of the future and other times the unix way was the bedst. I don't want to discuss why FreeBSD have designed the kernel as they have, but I know that sometimes when you work very closely with something, you forget to look up. I mean, does FreeBSD analyse the Linux and Solaris kernel, maybe adobt some of the good thing they have made? I don't expect FreeBSD to rewrite the kernel, but to learn from Solaris and Linux. If FreeBSD allready do this, then I am sorry for having troubled you with this mail!!! I think you misunderstood somewhere along the lines. FreeBSD is just as good as solaris and linux in most things, and better in others. Best regards Rafter ps: 1. I hope that in the future FreeBSD will remain a servers only OS. Meaning that I hope the developers don't spend to much time making games, grafical programs and stuff like gnome/kde/x11. I hope the opposite. I use FreeBSD all day every day as my desktop system, and I'd die if I didn't have the things that you mention above as hoping that they never happen. 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. This will most likely NEVER happen. One of the reasons FreeBSD and UNIX in general are so fast is because they don't have to deal with the overhead of C++. C is smaller and faster. 3. I hope for even more focuse on security. As far as I know there is a whole project focusing on FreeBSD's security. Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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1. Is there a way to hide a user from other users? Fx programs like w, who, u As Terry has already pointed out, jails are probably your best bet. ps: 1. I hope that in the future FreeBSD will remain a servers only OS. As Terry also said, volunteers work on things they like to work on, but that said it's probably also a safe bet that those who really wanted to work on desktop operating systems are already doing that outside of FreeBSD. Inside of FreeBSD, people tend to focus on what customers are expressing a need for and most of our customers are server folks. Draw your own conclusions. :) 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. God, I certainly hope NOT. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: New feutures...........
On Friday 14 December 2001 3:03 pm, Rafter Man wrote: Hi FreeBSD lovers :-) snip/ 1. Is there a way to hide a user from other users? Fx programs like w, who, users, netstat, top, ps all show what other users are doing. It would fx be a good idea to hide root or the admin's activities from other users. If you are trying to catch a cracker, then you know that he/she if not stupid enough to login while other users (especial root) are online. But perhaps this feuture to hide a user already exists? There is a sysctl you can switch to make users only able to see their own processes. It has a different name from -STABLE to -CURRENT. I don't remember what its name is exactly for -STABLE and I can't check right now, but if you search for 'ps' in the sysctl listing you should find it pretty easily. Also if you want to see what a user is doing on their terminal you can use the snoop device with the watch program. See `man watch' for that. snip/ ps: 1. I hope that in the future FreeBSD will remain a servers only OS. Meaning that I hope the developers don't spend to much time making games, grafical programs and stuff like gnome/kde/x11. I don't think you have anything to fear in this respect. Considering X11 and KDE are cross platform projects already working on FreeBSD the real work here is maintaince which is done by the projects concerned and the ports team. 2. I hope that in the furture the FreeBSD developers will rewrite the system in C++. Whats that I see! Yes! A flying pig! :) 3. I hope for even more focuse on security. 4. I will do my part and help FreeBSD the bedst I can. -- Dominic To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
