Re: Where is FreeBSD going? the never-ending thread

2004-01-09 Thread Matt Freitag
Narvi wrote:

M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   

Whatever.  I've consulted lawyers on this who assure me that it is
legal.  You've admitted to not knowing US Copyright law and are aguing
emotion, which is why I didn't reply to the rest of your message.
 


It is not clear that there is a way - as things stand - to get to a point
where this wouldnot be the case. In appears very doubtful there is such a
way unless you can get to get everybody whose code has been ever commited
to send in a real written on paper copyright transfer, the chances of
which are essentialy 0, even should you be able to trace down all
involved.
 

So there are cases of code by authors being committed into the codebase 
without their knowledge/consent? This would be a problem. If code is 
being committed against license, I definitely see an issue here. 
However, If you /GIVE/ your IP to the FreeBSD community, it's no longer 
yours. Either way, apparently you'll never make everyone happy, even as 
hundreds (or thousands) of people give away their time to produce 
something at no cost to you, there's still always going to be someone 
complaining. (We refer to this as a sense of entitlement - Many people 
have this, and it's an unfortunate growing fad all over.) If you don't 
want your code in FreeBSD, don't submit it. Anyone going to pursue some 
indictments against Coyote Point Systems? Since their load-balancing 
hardware runs FreeBSD, and I don't believe (I'm unsure, but from the 
info I've gotten, it doesn't sound like it.) that they give you any of 
the source with your purchase of their hardware, Hmm

-mpf

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Re: Where is FreeBSD going? the never-ending thread

2004-01-09 Thread Narvi

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Matt Freitag wrote:

 Narvi wrote:

 M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 
 Whatever.  I've consulted lawyers on this who assure me that it is
 legal.  You've admitted to not knowing US Copyright law and are aguing
 emotion, which is why I didn't reply to the rest of your message.
 
 
 
 It is not clear that there is a way - as things stand - to get to a point
 where this wouldnot be the case. In appears very doubtful there is such a
 way unless you can get to get everybody whose code has been ever commited
 to send in a real written on paper copyright transfer, the chances of
 which are essentialy 0, even should you be able to trace down all
 involved.
 
 
 So there are cases of code by authors being committed into the codebase
 without their knowledge/consent? This would be a problem. If code is
 being committed against license, I definitely see an issue here.

Consider code merges from Net/OpenBSD. There is no explicit permission
involved nor needed.

 However, If you /GIVE/ your IP to the FreeBSD community, it's no longer
 yours. Either way, apparently you'll never make everyone happy, even as

Well... See, this is the place where people go wrong. Nobody is *GIVING*
their IP or code to anybody (and this includes the original sources from
Berkeley), they are simply licencing it. And unsuprisingly enough, there
is a difference - a big one - between two two. Whetever one needs to be
concerned about that is yet againan altogether different matter.

The same would by the way apply even if all of FreeBSD was GPL licenced.

 hundreds (or thousands) of people give away their time to produce
 something at no cost to you, there's still always going to be someone
 complaining. (We refer to this as a sense of entitlement - Many people
 have this, and it's an unfortunate growing fad all over.) If you don't
 want your code in FreeBSD, don't submit it. Anyone going to pursue some
 indictments against Coyote Point Systems? Since their load-balancing
 hardware runs FreeBSD, and I don't believe (I'm unsure, but from the
 info I've gotten, it doesn't sound like it.) that they give you any of
 the source with your purchase of their hardware, Hmm


There is no scenario at all under which they would have to give you their
code. None at all.

 -mpf

 +  -   -
  |  Resistance is futile, assimilation into the FreeBSD community is
 inevitable.



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