Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote on 2010-03-11: Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de writes: sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. The m4 macro set is a fairly recent development. If more than a decade is a fairly recent development, then you're right. -- Matthias Andree ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes: Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de writes: sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. The m4 macro set is a fairly recent development. If more than a decade is a fairly recent development, Well, yes, actually. I remember having to edit sendmail.cf even for trivial stuff like setting the sender domain and the outgoing smtp relay, what, fifteen years ago? Definitely less than fifteen. I still have the first edition of the bat book; it's almost as thick as my single-volume paperback edition of The Lord of the Rings, and has larger pages. More importantly, if you raise your eyes a few centimeters, you'll notice the word never which I think we can all agree is patently untrue. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Steven Hartland wrote: Ok so I'm looking to replace our current windows mail server using mdaemon with a FreeBSD solution, having looked around there seems to be differing opinions of which is the best option to go with between sendmail and postfix. ... Any advice, opinions on a full mail solution on FreeBSD would be appreciated. Regards Steve Sorry to hi-jack your thread, but this is also something I am currently looking in to I really wanted to use Sendmail as a friend knows Sendmail fairly well and I have a Sendmail book, but what I am wanting is the ability to have mail for virtual users, ie I might have 4 admin accounts, ad...@domain1.com ad...@domain2.com ad...@domain3.com and ad...@domain4.com and want all the accounts to be independent of each other and not necessarily have a real UNIX user account. I know I can create 4 different admin accounts say admin1, admin2, admin3, admin4 and then use the virtual users table, but I can see that getting a little messy and from the end user's point they are going to have unusual login names. I know I can do this in Postfix, but is it possible in Sendmail? Cheers Paul ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2010 10:13:21, Paul Wootton wrote: Sorry to hi-jack your thread, but this is also something I am currently looking in to I really wanted to use Sendmail as a friend knows Sendmail fairly well and I have a Sendmail book, but what I am wanting is the ability to have mail for virtual users, ie I might have 4 admin accounts, ad...@domain1.com ad...@domain2.com ad...@domain3.com and ad...@domain4.com and want all the accounts to be independent of each other and not necessarily have a real UNIX user account. I know I can create 4 different admin accounts say admin1, admin2, admin3, admin4 and then use the virtual users table, but I can see that getting a little messy and from the end user's point they are going to have unusual login names. I know I can do this in Postfix, but is it possible in Sendmail? Sure, this is possible in sendmail, and you have already identified the way to do it: virtusertable, but as you say, the local user accounts end up looking pretty unusual. Unless you've got a delivery system that also takes account of the domain part of an e-mail address (something that is pretty unusual with sendmail(8)) you have to map all of the accepted mail addresses into a set of local userids: so ad...@domainx.com -- admin-domainX. The only good way of doing that is with virtusertable, since that's the only aliasing mechanism in sendmail which looks at the domain part of an address. aliases treats all of the RHSes as equivalent, so long as they belong to the set of addresses sendmail knows is locally delivered. On the other hand, virtusertable is a 1:1 transformation, aliases is a 1:many transformation -- the two different address transformation mechanisms is a historical peculiarity of sendmail and makes virtual server setups like this pretty tricky. To deliver to mailboxes where the userid includes a domain part, you have to have a mail-user database distinct from the password file and you will need to rewrite large parts of the basic message processing in sendmail.cf. As well, you'll need a fairly heavy-weight IMAP server like cyrus IMAPd for this functionality (does dovecot support it? no idea.) Doing this sort of stuff in other MTAs is easier than doing it in sendmail. postfix would be my choice. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuYzzYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxSMwCffdtKiVQ8XWvpjLPs+zMmsDth aw8Ani9AhuC04YMAkLsDLfMWhR4mo9QP =FMxw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
According to Steven Hartland: 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? Well, not really. .cf files are still .cf files but most people don't use them directly (except old farts ;-)). .mc files are the easiest way to configure sendmail (and of course tables) 2. Is postfix that much easier? Yes. You get tables for everything as well but it is IMHO cleaner. 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? dovecot is the one I found the easiest to work with. 3.2. Web Mail? Don't use it so I can't advise. 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? clamav-milter along with milter-greylist rocks. Spam filtering is more done at the user level through bogofilter though. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- robe...@keltia.freenix.fr In memoriam to Ondine : http://ondine.keltia.net/ ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
I really wanted to use Sendmail as a friend knows Sendmail fairly well and I have a Sendmail book, but what I am wanting is the ability to have mail for virtual users, ie I might have 4 admin accounts, ad...@domain1.com ad...@domain2.com ad...@domain3.com and ad...@domain4.com and want all the accounts to be independent of each other and not necessarily have a real UNIX user account. I know I can create 4 different admin accounts say admin1, admin2, admin3, admin4 and then use the virtual users table, but I can see that getting a little messy and from the end user's point they are going to have unusual login names. I know I can do this in Postfix, but is it possible in Sendmail? Yes its possible. I do that with sendmail for a friend's domain I host Here's an anonymised real operational sample from my server with comment added /etc/mail/virtusertable hostmas...@sparedomain.comhostmaster hostmas...@www.sparedomain.comhostmaster # I take the hostmaster cos hes not competent to. friend-local-acc-on-my-h...@sparedomain.com sparedomain-default # friend-local-acc-on-my-host@ is redundant as # done by default, but left for clarity. # could also go to secretary-of-fri...@anywhere-else.com # exam...@sparedomain.com s...@where_else @sparedomain.com sparedomain-default # this collects all of # friends-new-colleague-he-hasnt-told-me-ab...@sparedomain.com # random-guess-by-spam...@sparedomain.com @www.sparedomain.com sparedomain-default # divert any mail re friends web site to the friend. /etc/mail/aliases: # switchable choice depending if I POP serve the friend or forward. sparedomain-default:fri...@some-other-domain.com # sparedomain-default: friend-local-acc-on-my-host PS I skimmed but didnt really understand Matthew's posting, (not saying its right or wrong, just didnt grasp it), but I have sendmail working fine for my @berklix.org for a friend's @surfacevision.com So Paul, you can use sendmail for this if you want. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org Old 20s expire 30 6 2010 http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/twentyv/ ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Julian H. Stacey wrote: I really wanted to use Sendmail as a friend knows Sendmail fairly well and I have a Sendmail book, but what I am wanting is the ability to have mail for virtual users, ie I might have 4 admin accounts, ad...@domain1.com ad...@domain2.com ad...@domain3.com and ad...@domain4.com and want all the accounts to be independent of each other and not necessarily have a real UNIX user account. I know I can create 4 different admin accounts say admin1, admin2, admin3, admin4 and then use the virtual users table, but I can see that getting a little messy and from the end user's point they are going to have unusual login names. I know I can do this in Postfix, but is it possible in Sendmail? Yes its possible. I do that with sendmail for a friend's domain I host Here's an anonymised real operational sample from my server with comment added ... PS I skimmed but didnt really understand Matthew's posting, (not saying its right or wrong, just didnt grasp it), but I have sendmail working fine for my @berklix.org for a friend's @surfacevision.com So Paul, you can use sendmail for this if you want. Cheers, Julian Thanks but unfortunately this really wont help me too much. My fault for not posting it before, but I currently have 9 domains (with a likely hood of another couple more being added), with an range from 5 to 15 different email accounts per domain, hence me thinking it might get a little messy with all the UNIX accounts and virtual user table. Cheers Paul ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de writes: sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. The m4 macro set is a fairly recent development. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 03:11:06PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de writes: sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. The m4 macro set is a fairly recent development. I was using it in 1993. With respect, perspectives as to never or recent tend to be subjective. (Some folks on this list may well have not been born yet in 1993.) FWIW: * The FreeBSD.org mail infrastructure uses Postfix. In general, I find its configuration cleaner more orthogonal than that of sendmail. * I still use sendmail at home -- partly because there are still things I can do with sendmail that I don't know how to do with Postfix (e.g., taking action based on the lack of a header), partly because I still find sendmail logs easier to parse and undertsand, and partly from inertia. And we have Greg Shapiro shepherding sendmail in the FreeBSD source tree, which is wonderful. * I worked at an installation that had a fair amount of infrastructure built around the use of qmail a few years back. I hope to never repeat that experience, and would not willingly use qmail ever again. * I have no experience with administering other MTAs. Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill da...@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. pgpzolNRqqHii.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
On Thu, 11.03.2010 at 13:54:53 +, Paul Wootton wrote: Julian H. Stacey wrote: I really wanted to use Sendmail as a friend knows Sendmail fairly well and I have a Sendmail book, but what I am wanting is the ability to have mail for virtual users, ie I might have 4 admin accounts, ad...@domain1.com ad...@domain2.com ad...@domain3.com and ad...@domain4.com and want all the accounts to be independent of each other and not necessarily have a real UNIX user account. I know I can create 4 different admin accounts say admin1, admin2, admin3, admin4 and then use the virtual users table, but I can see that getting a little messy and from the end user's point they are going to have unusual login names. I know I can do this in Postfix, but is it possible in Sendmail? Yes its possible. I do that with sendmail for a friend's domain I host Here's an anonymised real operational sample from my server with comment added ... PS I skimmed but didnt really understand Matthew's posting, (not saying its right or wrong, just didnt grasp it), but I have sendmail working fine for my @berklix.org for a friend's @surfacevision.com So Paul, you can use sendmail for this if you want. Cheers, Julian Thanks but unfortunately this really wont help me too much. My fault for not posting it before, but I currently have 9 domains (with a likely hood of another couple more being added), with an range from 5 to 15 different email accounts per domain, hence me thinking it might get a little messy with all the UNIX accounts and virtual user table. Use LDAP. That's what I did. Works fine with sendmail and dovecot, once you have it working, you will find out, that it's actually documented pretty decently. One of those things you always have to find out on hindsight :) Cheers, Uli ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
David Wolfskill da...@catwhisker.org writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes: Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de writes: sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. The m4 macro set is a fairly recent development. I was using it in 1993. ISTR it did not become official until much later? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Hi, Roundcube is a web pop or imap client. It's simple and light. And you just need Php and any sql base. Roundcube support ssl/tls on imap connection. You also can use a virtusertable to login. 2010/3/10 Lowell Gilbert lguse...@be-well.ilk.org Steven Hartland kill...@multiplay.co.uk writes: A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? Somewhat. The configurations are done with m4 these days, but there's a lot of black magic possible with the many potential combinations of features and options. 2. Is postfix that much easier? Yes. However, the black magic in sendmail is very powerful. 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? Separate problem. I use dovecot and I like it, but it's just a household server. 3.2. Web Mail? I don't do that, because I don't want to go to the effort of making sure it is and stays secure, but from what I hear I'd probably try squirrelmail first if I were doing it. 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? I use spamassassin. You can plug most other analyzers into it. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- // Buschini Edouard :: Moon // Epitech university // moon.bo...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Ok so I'm looking to replace our current windows mail server using mdaemon with a FreeBSD solution, having looked around there seems to be differing opinions of which is the best option to go with between sendmail and postfix. The problem with looking for info on this is that a lot of the high listed articles in Google etc are from way back when, 2000 - 2007 during which time quite a bit can change. So what are peoples current day experience with the two options? A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? 2. Is postfix that much easier? 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? 3.2. Web Mail? 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? Any advice, opinions on a full mail solution on FreeBSD would be appreciated. Regards Steve This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Steven Hartland wrote: Ok so I'm looking to replace our current windows mail server using mdaemon with a FreeBSD solution, having looked around there seems to be differing opinions of which is the best option to go with between sendmail and postfix. The problem with looking for info on this is that a lot of the high listed articles in Google etc are from way back when, 2000 - 2007 during which time quite a bit can change. So what are peoples current day experience with the two options? A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? 2. Is postfix that much easier? 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? 3.2. Web Mail? 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? Any advice, opinions on a full mail solution on FreeBSD would be appreciated. Regards Steve This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I'm happily using qmail for several years (but that's not what you asked about), Dovecot for POP3 and IMAP, and Roundcube for webmail. -Boris ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
3.1. POP / IMAP support? about), Dovecot for POP3 and IMAP, and Roundcube for webmail. My servers use: - sendmail, I've not tried things such as qmail. One doesnt generally have to futz much with .cf files, (but its useful to look at tweak the easy bits, even if some of the lower rules are magic not for mortals ;-) Sendmail uses .mc via m4 (I keep all my .mc in a single .cpp) http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/src/jhs/etc/sendmail/common.cpp - /usr/ports/mail/openwebmail for webmail I'm happy with it, but I've not tried others. - /usr/ports/mail/popd /usr/local/libexec/popd (Installed but not tried popt-1.7_1 qpopper-2.53_5) With /usr/ports/mail/popd on 3 servers 1 x FreeBSD-6.3 popd-2.2.2a_4 2 x FreeBSD-7.2 popd-2.2.2a_4 I have definately received periodic data corruption, but never tracked it down to report it, I first noticed on multi meg gpg bins that wouldnt decrypt (prob one doesnt notice when people send eg pictures or .pdf or .wmv ) PS 1 I have notes on SASL with URLs to other pages. http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/sasl.lmth I run majordomo, 'cos long ago I got bitten by reported a bug in mailman that would lock up a slowish server. http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/freebsd/ports/gen/mail/mailman/files/ PPS I guess maybe this thread might have better started on i...@freebsd.org, but too late to move there now I suppose. You've raised interesting questions, I look forward to reading what others use. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Steven Hartland wrote: A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? No. 2. Is postfix that much easier? Yes. 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? Dovecot. As a bonus, Postfix can use Dovecot's SASL for authentication. 3.2. Web Mail? Don't use it, sorry. 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? I can't recommend a spam filter, but greytrapping via mail/spamd is a blessing: it catches 100% of spam on my (low-volume) mail server. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
In response to Vitaly Magerya vmage...@gmail.com: 3.2. Web Mail? Don't use it, sorry. I recommend squirrelmail. Unless you require some obscene feature-rich craziness (in that case, have fun installing IMP). I've used it with Postfix/Dovecot for a few years now with no trouble. Why is this discussion on hack...@? -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2010/03/10 08:47, Steven Hartland wrote: A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? No, but the m4 based configuration would make your life easier. 2. Is postfix that much easier? Yes, I would highly recommend using postfix if you don't want to spend a lot of time on mail server. As a bonus postfix have better track record in terms of security. 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? Dovecot or cyrus-imapd. I'd personally recommend dovecot for new deployments, since it supports features like using different storage for different subfolders (i.e. use Mailbox for archive, etc). 3.2. Web Mail? Connecting from IMAP: squirrelmail, roundcube, etc., I'm not a big fan of web mail though. 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? amavisd-new + clamav. Note that clamav is somewhat CPU hungry if you have high e-mail volume, consider deploying multiple layer of delivery system (multiple MX serving anti-spam purpose, and deliver to a group of backend system; this could be an overkill for small to medium sized companies, though). Cheers, - -- Xin LI delp...@delphij.nethttp://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! Live free or die -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLl+8CAAoJEATO+BI/yjfBX1wIAJgT8QPLi7H2iS2RBJ8J2JDr 62ngaY0q099b8ajCgiIPWm7IMyvlEyIf3FVde9tbQls2UiojDkJR8Frd/rNGBfja mF/6tMSs77skN3vyoZzX1hj98rMbLx7ccPUwzZTFxgOsoRXpFKu+V+t9TDfqiRh5 3gSBlyinqTuoQzpO9PPjRACzY0sZLtTsyy2GoX52HeSjKn4kh2SogTcf1I9Y/+cq Eap91F4J8vKmqHh4Eqm5qAJ+WT2JwkwQpnHAjG6bej4x05kmNE6OLT7O83dip1Ga RzafJRgCPIgkSeh7f/v+rCv653jxSNswo1kJ+6HfDKkUc4l+naoP+ZKL1bo2RKo= =G5Ri -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Steven Hartland kill...@multiplay.co.uk writes: A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? Somewhat. The configurations are done with m4 these days, but there's a lot of black magic possible with the many potential combinations of features and options. 2. Is postfix that much easier? Yes. However, the black magic in sendmail is very powerful. 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? Separate problem. I use dovecot and I like it, but it's just a household server. 3.2. Web Mail? I don't do that, because I don't want to go to the effort of making sure it is and stays secure, but from what I hear I'd probably try squirrelmail first if I were doing it. 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? I use spamassassin. You can plug most other analyzers into it. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
Am 10.03.2010 17:47, schrieb Steven Hartland: Ok so I'm looking to replace our current windows mail server using mdaemon with a FreeBSD solution, having looked around there seems to be differing opinions of which is the best option to go with between sendmail and postfix. The best -- well, you'll know that with hindsight if you've tried both. The problem with looking for info on this is that a lot of the high listed articles in Google etc are from way back when, 2000 - 2007 during which time quite a bit can change. So what are peoples current day experience with the two options? A few key question come to mind:- 1. Has sendmail's config moved away from the black art it once was? 2. Is postfix that much easier? 3. What would people use for: 3.1. POP / IMAP support? 3.2. Web Mail? 3.2. AV / Spam filtering? sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. Instead, it was a matter of reading the README file and the op.* manual, writing/adjusting the .mc files, and grinding the .mc file through m4 to process it into the .cf files. Postfix can be easier to configure, and I personally prefer it over sendmail -- and it appears to have had fewer and milder security issues and a more security-aware design - and it's been faster in my setups. Still you need to understand what you're doing, and Postfix has evolved into a feature-rich MTA, so you don't get to know it in an hour of reading. I've deployed a few postfix + Dovecot + amavisd-new setups; these systems don't need webmail. I used to use sqwebmail on a few sites. -- Matthias Andree ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question?
- Original Message - From: Bill Moran wmo...@collaborativefusion.com I recommend squirrelmail. Unless you require some obscene feature-rich craziness (in that case, have fun installing IMP). I've used it with Postfix/Dovecot for a few years now with no trouble. Why is this discussion on hack...@? Couldn't see a really appropriate list tbh, as pointed out though perhaps isp@ would have been better. Thanks for all the feedback and ideas so far :) Regards Steve This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
