Re: quotas an essential feature? (was: svn commit: r218953 - stable/8/usr.sbin/sysinstall)

2011-02-26 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:25:00PM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote:
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Steven Hartland wrote:
 
  While I can understand some may want its not something we use on any of
  our machines, and I suspect that's the case for many others.
  
  Given adding it means the kernel will be doing extra work and hence a
  drop in performance...
 
 Does anyone have benchmark results to measure the performance hit?

I imagine there wouldn't be any (or extremely negligible)
unless you used quotaon(8).

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quotas an essential feature? (was: svn commit: r218953 - stable/8/usr.sbin/sysinstall)

2011-02-25 Thread dieterbsd
I promise to enable UFS quotas in GENERIC in one week unless anybody 

objects

now.


Huh?  I thought GENERIC was supposed to include everything you needed to
boot, not every possible feature that someone might desire?

But requests to include things required to boot get rejected and
nonessential features like quotas get added.  WTF?


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Re: quotas an essential feature? (was: svn commit: r218953 - stable/8/usr.sbin/sysinstall)

2011-02-25 Thread Matthew Jacob
Actually, GENERIC is there to provide the most features for the most 
uses. A large percentage of users don't config new kernels, and FreeBSD 
has not elected the approach Digital Unix (aka DUH) took about 
installs which required a reconfig as one of the last steps of an 
installation.


I can't speak to your required to boot case- not sure what you're 
referring to. I also have been sometimes unhappy about things that can't 
be added for booting, but that's really more of a need a driver disk or 
options disk kind of case that was more during the FreeBSD delivered on 
floppy which is long ago and far away and a country now pushing up daisies.


On 2/25/2011 11:02 AM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:
I promise to enable UFS quotas in GENERIC in one week unless anybody 

objects

now.


Huh?  I thought GENERIC was supposed to include everything you needed to
boot, not every possible feature that someone might desire?

But requests to include things required to boot get rejected and
nonessential features like quotas get added.  WTF?


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Re: quotas an essential feature? (was: svn commit: r218953 - stable/8/usr.sbin/sysinstall)

2011-02-25 Thread Steven Hartland

While I can understand some may want its not something we use on any of
our machines, and I suspect that's the case for many others.

Given adding it means the kernel will be doing extra work and hence a
drop in performance for a feature most will never use, I'm guessing here,
I would say just leave it out of generic unless there is a real pressing
requirement for it?

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   Steve


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Re: quotas an essential feature? (was: svn commit: r218953 - stable/8/usr.sbin/sysinstall)

2011-02-25 Thread Tim Kientzle
On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Steven Hartland wrote:

 While I can understand some may want its not something we use on any of
 our machines, and I suspect that's the case for many others.
 
 Given adding it means the kernel will be doing extra work and hence a
 drop in performance...

Does anyone have benchmark results to measure the performance hit?

Tim

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