Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
Gary Jennejohn wrote: > IMO if you're going to make the binaries in base non-executable > you might just as well delete them. The chmod is reversible without having to recover the base binaries from somewhere. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:54:45 -0700 Ted Faber wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 08:29:57AM -0700, Ted Faber wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:40:00AM +0100, Tom Evans wrote: > > > I also have this in make.conf: > > > CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes > > > WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > > > > > which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in > > > /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups > > > specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just > > > stops LPR being built by buildworld. > > > > The clear winner, and one I was unaware of. > > > > Thanks, Tom. > > CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE seems to do an odd thing. It doesn't install the > cups binaries in /usr/bin, but it does do a chmod on everything it > replaces in /usr/bin . For example > > praxis:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/lpr > -r-sr-sr-x 1 root daemon 29876 Jun 24 09:16 /usr/bin/lpr > # portupgrade -f cups-base-1.4.3 > praxis:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/lpr > -- 1 root daemon 29876 Jun 24 09:16 /usr/bin/lpr > > I'll still use it, but interesting behavior. > IMO if you're going to make the binaries in base non-executable you might just as well delete them. But CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE does have the advantage that it works without (active) user intervention. -- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 08:29:57AM -0700, Ted Faber wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:40:00AM +0100, Tom Evans wrote: > > I also have this in make.conf: > > CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes > > WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > > > which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in > > /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups > > specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just > > stops LPR being built by buildworld. > > The clear winner, and one I was unaware of. > > Thanks, Tom. CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE seems to do an odd thing. It doesn't install the cups binaries in /usr/bin, but it does do a chmod on everything it replaces in /usr/bin . For example praxis:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/lpr -r-sr-sr-x 1 root daemon 29876 Jun 24 09:16 /usr/bin/lpr # portupgrade -f cups-base-1.4.3 praxis:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/lpr -- 1 root daemon 29876 Jun 24 09:16 /usr/bin/lpr I'll still use it, but interesting behavior. -- Ted Faber http://www.isi.edu/~faber PGP: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc Unexpected attachment on this mail? See http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#SIG pgpJ2UHzloYfq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:40:00AM +0100, Tom Evans wrote: > I also have this in make.conf: > CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes > WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in > /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups > specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just > stops LPR being built by buildworld. The clear winner, and one I was unaware of. Thanks, Tom. -- Ted Faber http://www.isi.edu/~faber PGP: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc Unexpected attachment on this mail? See http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#SIG pgpBnQb7UNzNh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
* Mike Meyer wrote: > Maybe it's time for /usr/sbin/lpwrapper, to do the same thing for > print systems? In my opinion, we should just rename mailwrapper to whateverwrapper and list the lpr programs in there as well. -- Ed Schouten WWW: http://80386.nl/ pgpn1LzLEWm9v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
* Andrew Reilly wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:23:37AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > > > and these symbolic links in /usr/bin > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> > > /usr/local/bin/lp > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpoptions > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpq > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpr > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> > > /usr/local/bin/lprm > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpstat > > > > and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. > > Since you have /usr/local/bin in your path, why bother with > the symlinks at all? Your shell will find them in their new > locations just fine. You'll want to remove the old ones from > /usr/bin, but make delete-old will probably do that nicely > anyway. In theory, yes. In practice, no. Just for fun, remove your /usr/sbin/sendmail while having Postfix's /usr/local/sbin/sendmail installed. It simply won't work. If I remember correctly, you won't even receive the periodic(8) emails. Nowadays it's probably better, but I remember in the old days GNOME would always print through /usr/bin/lpr, even when CUPS is installed. -- Ed Schouten WWW: http://80386.nl/ pgpNgoKSxOgsT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:23:37AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > and these symbolic links in /usr/bin > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> > /usr/local/bin/lp > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> > /usr/local/bin/lpoptions > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> > /usr/local/bin/lpq > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> > /usr/local/bin/lpr > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> > /usr/local/bin/lprm > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> > /usr/local/bin/lpstat > > and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Since you have /usr/local/bin in your path, why bother with the symlinks at all? Your shell will find them in their new locations just fine. You'll want to remove the old ones from /usr/bin, but make delete-old will probably do that nicely anyway. Cheers, -- Andrew ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On 24 Jun 2010, at 9:23, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 > Ted Faber wrote: > >> (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr >> commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) >> > [trimmed Cc] > > I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system > lp stuff: > > in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > and these symbolic links in /usr/bin > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> > /usr/local/bin/lp > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> > /usr/local/bin/lpoptions > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> > /usr/local/bin/lpq > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> > /usr/local/bin/lpr > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> > /usr/local/bin/lprm > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> > /usr/local/bin/lpstat > > and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Wouldn't it be easier to alias those commands instead of physically replacing them? In my .tcshrc I have: alias lp/usr/local/bin/lp alias lpq /usr/local/bin/lpq alias lpr /usr/local/bin/lpr alias lprm /usr/local/bin/lprm I only have /usr/local/bin/lpoptions on my system (7-STABLE), so I guess that's exclusive to CUPS, hence no need for me to alias it. Alban Hertroys -- Screwing up is an excellent way to attach something to the ceiling. !DSPAM:,4c2317b8286214077543485! ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Alex Dupre wrote: > Tom Evans ha scritto: >> make delete-old removes old deprecated files, not files that weren't >> built because of src.conf options. > > I think you are wrong: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc?rev=1.66 > > -- > Alex Dupre > Meh, OK. It didn't used to, there was a discussion about this about 6 months ago, and yes, check the history of that file. This support was added in February, nothing in /usr/src/UPDATING about it.. Still, besides the point. There is one supported way to get cups-base lpr used instead of base lpr, and it's got not much to do with 'make delete-old'. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/cups/article.html#PRINTING-CUPS-PORTS-KNOBS Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
Tom Evans ha scritto: > make delete-old removes old deprecated files, not files that weren't > built because of src.conf options. I think you are wrong: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc?rev=1.66 -- Alex Dupre ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Reilly wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:23:37AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: >> in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes >> >> and these symbolic links in /usr/bin >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> >> /usr/local/bin/lp >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> >> /usr/local/bin/lpoptions >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> >> /usr/local/bin/lpq >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> >> /usr/local/bin/lpr >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> >> /usr/local/bin/lprm >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> >> /usr/local/bin/lpstat >> >> and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. > > Since you have /usr/local/bin in your path, why bother with > the symlinks at all? Your shell will find them in their new > locations just fine. You'll want to remove the old ones from > /usr/bin, but make delete-old will probably do that nicely > anyway. > > Cheers, > > -- > Andrew make delete-old removes old deprecated files, not files that weren't built because of src.conf options. It definitely will not remove the lpr binaries from /usr/bin if they exist there. There already is a proper solution for this: if you want to have LPR from CUPS, and don't want to use LPR from base, then you set these settings in make.conf: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes With these, lpr in base will not be built, and print/cups-base will deactivate any base system lpr binaries that are installed. It's documented in the FreeBSD CUPS article here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/cups/article.html#PRINTING-CUPS-PORTS-KNOBS Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 > Ted Faber wrote: > >> (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr >> commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) >> > [trimmed Cc] > > I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system > lp stuff: > > in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > and these symbolic links in /usr/bin > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> > /usr/local/bin/lp > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> > /usr/local/bin/lpoptions > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> > /usr/local/bin/lpq > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> > /usr/local/bin/lpr > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> > /usr/local/bin/lprm > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> > /usr/local/bin/lpstat > > and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. > > --- > Gary Jennejohn I also have this in make.conf: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just stops LPR being built by buildworld. Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:30:26 +0200 Alban Hertroys wrote: > On 24 Jun 2010, at 9:23, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 > > Ted Faber wrote: > > > >> (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr > >> commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) > >> > > [trimmed Cc] > > > > I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system > > lp stuff: > > > > in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes > > > > and these symbolic links in /usr/bin > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> > > /usr/local/bin/lp > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpoptions > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpq > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpr > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> > > /usr/local/bin/lprm > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> > > /usr/local/bin/lpstat > > > > and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. > > > Wouldn't it be easier to alias those commands instead of physically replacing > them? > In my .tcshrc I have: > > alias lp/usr/local/bin/lp > alias lpq /usr/local/bin/lpq > alias lpr /usr/local/bin/lpr > alias lprm /usr/local/bin/lprm > > I only have /usr/local/bin/lpoptions on my system (7-STABLE), so I guess > that's exclusive to CUPS, hence no need for me to alias it. > That's a valid option, of course. My thought was that the base lp isn't being installed anyway so it's just as simple to use symbolic links. -- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 Ted Faber wrote: > (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr > commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) > [trimmed Cc] I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system lp stuff: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp -> /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions -> /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq -> /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr -> /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm -> /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat -> /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. --- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
