Re: expiration of net/skype ?!

2011-04-26 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:29:16 +1000
Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org wrote:

 On 2011-Apr-26 01:47:30 +0200, martinko gam...@users.sf.net wrote:
 So what is this deprecation and expiration of net/skype port please ??
 
 Whilst the Skype port still works, the version of Skype referenced by
 the port is no longer available and later versions of Skype do not
 (currently) work on FreeBSD.  My reading of the Skype license suggests
 that the FreeBSD Project cannot host the distfile without an agreement
 with Skype.  This means that someone who doesn't currently have the
 Skype distfile cannot install the Skype port.

True, and we've kept it like this for a long time.
I have asked people at skype to allow us to redistribute the distfile,
but that's impossible for legal reasons (not theirs). 

 I believe work is underway to support the currently available version
 of Skype.

It is, and it's kinda workoing on HEAD plus some patches.
One thing all of oyu could do is bug skype on their forums to provide
an OSS version; I recently argued about that with their linux product
manager, so more voices would help.

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Re: Call for Testers: VirtualBox 4.0.6 (PBIs now available)

2011-04-26 Thread Bernhard Froehlich
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:29:43 -0300, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
 For me it is working...
  running windows XP dnd linux over an old(4.0.2) image it is ok...
  very stable...
 
  Only a problem remains (that is not still fixed): 
  it is the problem with the vnc in VBoxHeadless
  the cursor is not in sync (the vnc cursor) is not
  in sync with the XP cursor.. although the sync
  is better (compared with 4.0.2 but is still out of sync)...
  How to reproduce: 
  VBoxHeadless --vnc --vncport 5901 --startvm XPimg
  then goto another machine and execute:
  vncviewer x.x.x.x:5901, the system opens works but the
  mouse cursor is not in sync...
 
  Question: Will there be a fix???

Don't know if that is a bug or a problem of the implementation. I would
recommend waiting for the VNC extpack.

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Re: OpenNMS link/port

2011-04-26 Thread Sevan / Venture37
On 22 April 2011 17:31, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21 April 2011 17:40, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've shoved all the revisions of the port I created into a mercurial
 repo  pushed it up to bitbucket.
 https://bitbucket.org/sevan/opennms/overview

 Another repo for the unstable branch of OpenNMS
 https://bitbucket.org/sevan/opennms-dev/overview


v1.8.11 port
http://www.geeklan.co.uk/files/opennms/opennms-1811-freebsd-port.tgz

v1.9.7 port
http://www.geeklan.co.uk/files/opennms/opennms-dev-197-freebsd-port.tgz
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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Charlie Kester

On Mon 25 Apr 2011 at 22:55:10 PDT Ade Lovett wrote:


On Apr 25, 2011, at 21:41 , Charlie Kester wrote:

Maybe freshports could implement a voting system like the one at
osx.iusethis.com?


Voting implies some kind of democracy.


I just thought it might be useful to get some actual data to support the
inference that an unmaintained port is likely to be an unused and
therefore unneeded port.

I have no objection to your argument that what gets done is what someone
is willing to do.  And I am sensitive to the fact that every port
imposes some additional burden on the system.  I'm all for cleaning out
the cruft.

I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports
sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll
take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually
check them against the popularity ratings on a site like freshmeat.
It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
being.
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Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken

2011-04-26 Thread Olivier Duchateau
Hi,

I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken.
I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386.

May I have log, please ?



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Re: Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken

2011-04-26 Thread Pav Lucistnik
Olivier Duchateau píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 19:23 +0200:
 Hi,
 
 I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken.
 I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386.
 
 May I have log, please ?

Sure,

http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=portname=thunar-archive-plugin

Missing dependency most probably.

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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:34:24 -0700
Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated:

 It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
 will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
 being.

If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application,
just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain.

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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Jerry on Tuesday, 26 April 2011:
 On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:34:24 -0700
 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated:
 
  It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
  will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
  being.
 
 If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application,
 just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain.
 
There could be quite a delay in that reaction -- it might not hit home
until the port needs to be rebuilt.

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Re: Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken

2011-04-26 Thread Ruslan Mahmatkhanov

26.04.2011 21:49, Pav Lucistnik пишет:

Olivier Duchateau píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 19:23 +0200:

Hi,

I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken.
I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386.

May I have log, please ?


Sure,

http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=portname=thunar-archive-plugin

Missing dependency most probably.


This patch should work.

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--- Makefile.orig   2011-04-26 01:55:55.0 +0400
+++ Makefile2011-04-26 23:13:30.0 +0400
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
 USE_XFCE=  configenv libexo thunar
 USE_GETTEXT=   yes
 INSTALLS_ICONS=yes
-USE_GNOME= desktopfileutils
+USE_GNOME= desktopfileutils intltool
 USE_GMAKE= yes
 
 .include bsd.port.mk
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Re: Call for Testers: VirtualBox 4.0.6 (PBIs now available)

2011-04-26 Thread Bernhard Froehlich
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:42:29 -0400, Ryan Stone wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Bernhard Froehlich
 de...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:01:40 +0200, Bernhard Froehlich wrote:
 PBIs for PC-BSD are currently worked on and will hopefully be available
 in a few days.

 Thanks a lot to Jesse Smith, Dru Lavigne and Ken Moore for the efforts
 to provide the PBIs!

 PC-BSD 8.x 32bit:
 http://disasterarea.chruetertee.ch/virtualbox/4.0.6/virtualbox-4.0.6-i386.pbi
 ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/pbioutgoing/i386/8/emulators/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-4.0.6-i386.pbi

 PC-BSD 8.x 64bit:
 http://disasterarea.chruetertee.ch/virtualbox/4.0.6/virtualbox-4.0.6-amd64.pbi
 ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/pbioutgoing/x64/8/emulators/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-4.0.6-amd64.pbi


 Feedback (positive and negative) from PC-BSD users is very welcome!

 
 I installed the 64-bit PBI on my PC-BSD 8.2 machine, but I am unable
 to start any virtual machines(both pre-existing VMs or a new VM that I
 tried to create).  I get the following error dialog:
 
 Failed to open a session for the virtual machine RELENG_8_amd64.
 
 Failed to load VMMR0.r0
 (VERR_SUPLIB_SYMLINKS_ARE_NOT_PERMITTED).
 
 Unknown error creating VM
 (VERR_SUPLIB_SYMLINKS_ARE_NOT_PERMITTED).
 
 Details:
 
 Result Code:
 NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
 Component:
 Console
 Interface:
 IConsole {515e8e8d-f932-4d8e-9f32-79a52aead882}

Yeah, thanks we already know. They added some strict hardening checks
in virtualbox 4.0 that fail on PC-BSD. Kris Moore is currently
rebuilding the PBIs with some modifications.

That's exactly why we have call for testers so find such weird problems
that nobody could think of.

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Re: Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken

2011-04-26 Thread Pav Lucistnik
Ruslan Mahmatkhanov píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 23:14 +0400:
 26.04.2011 21:49, Pav Lucistnik пишет:
  Olivier Duchateau píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 19:23 +0200:
  Hi,
 
  I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken.
  I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386.
 
  May I have log, please ?
 
  Sure,
 
  http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=portname=thunar-archive-plugin
 
  Missing dependency most probably.
 
 This patch should work.

It does.

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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Robert Huff

Chip Camden writes:

   If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application,
   just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain.

  There could be quite a delay in that reaction -- it might not hit
  home until the port needs to be rebuilt.

It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small
number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial.


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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Charlie Kester

On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 09:34:24 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:


I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports
sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll
take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually
check them against the popularity ratings on a site like freshmeat.
It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
being.


FWIW, here are some popularity/vitality stats from freshmeat for
unmaintained ports in the sysutils category.

Freshmeat calculates these stats as follows:

popularity = ((record hits + URL hits) * (subscriptions + 1))^(1/2)

where record hits = hits on the freshmeat project page, url hits =
clickthroughs to author's projectpage or download site, and
subscriptions = freshmeat users following the project.

vitality = ((announcements * age) / (last_announcement))^(1/2)

The number of announcements a project has made is multiplied by the
number of days it has existed in the database, which is then divided by
the days passed since the last release. This way, projects with lots of
announcements that have been around for a long time and have recently
come out with a new release earn a high vitality score, and old projects
that have only been announced once get a low vitality score.

For comparison and to give a sense of scale, here are the stats for some
well-known projects:

NamePopularity  Vitality

mplayer 3,995.2045.16

MySQL   3,310.5573.39

mutt1,032.7142.53

conky   173.67  3.60

exaile  64.48   3.75

In the attached file, ports listed with popularity and vitality scores = 0
are those where there is no entry in the freshmeat database.

I made no effort to verify that a freshmeat project with the same name
as the port is in fact the same program, so there might be some false
positives in the data.
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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Charlie Kester

On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 14:27:47 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:

On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 09:34:24 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:


I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports
sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll
take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually
check them against the popularity ratings on a site like freshmeat.
It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
being.


FWIW, here are some popularity/vitality stats from freshmeat for
unmaintained ports in the sysutils category.

Freshmeat calculates these stats as follows:

popularity = ((record hits + URL hits) * (subscriptions + 1))^(1/2)

where record hits = hits on the freshmeat project page, url hits =
clickthroughs to author's projectpage or download site, and
subscriptions = freshmeat users following the project.

vitality = ((announcements * age) / (last_announcement))^(1/2)

The number of announcements a project has made is multiplied by the
number of days it has existed in the database, which is then divided by
the days passed since the last release. This way, projects with lots of
announcements that have been around for a long time and have recently
come out with a new release earn a high vitality score, and old projects
that have only been announced once get a low vitality score.

For comparison and to give a sense of scale, here are the stats for some
well-known projects:

NamePopularity  Vitality

mplayer 3,995.2045.16

MySQL   3,310.5573.39

mutt1,032.7142.53

conky   173.67  3.60

exaile  64.48   3.75

In the attached file, ports listed with popularity and vitality scores = 0
are those where there is no entry in the freshmeat database.

I made no effort to verify that a freshmeat project with the same name
as the port is in fact the same program, so there might be some false
positives in the data.


Drat, the mailinglist rejected the attachment.  If anyone wants to see
it, send me a private email and I'll reply with a copy.
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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:54:05 -0700
Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org articulated:

 On 04/26/2011 14:18, Robert Huff wrote:
  It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small
  number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial.
 
 Fair enough, then one of them needs to step forward to maintain the
 port. :)
 
 FWIW, I think that the person who suggested deleting the port as a
 way to gain a metric of its popularity was joking ...

Sorry, but I was dead serious.

Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone)

Cinderella

If no one steps up claiming to need the port, then good riddance. If on
the other hand a user claims a valid use of the port, let them take
responsibility for it or find someone who will. Leaving intact ports
that either don't build, cannot be fetched, etcetera does not really
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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Doug Barton

On 04/26/2011 15:09, Charlie Kester wrote:

Now that I have my code proved out, I'm going to expand it to look at
all unmaintained ports regardless of category.   Any suggestions for
where I should post the results?  (That is, unless you think the
bitbucket is the only suitable place for it.)


As a matter of curiosity, sure, put it on a web site somewhere, no worries.

Meanwhile, I think you might be missing the point. :)  We should not be 
looking for reasons to save unmaintained ports. We should be providing 
resources for those that would like to adopt them, pointing users to 
suitable alternatives, marking them deprecated so as to encourage 
maintainers to come forward, etc. In other words, exactly what we have 
been doing.


Yes, there will likely be a period after the ports actually disappear 
where some of them will need to be resurrected because someone will 
finally be motivated to step forward. But that's easily done. Meanwhile, 
let's nuke as much as we can, as fast as we can. We're rapidly closing 
in on 23,000 ports, which is already an unmanageable mess. We need to be 
able to delete the cruft if we have any hope of keeping the ship afloat.



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Dropping maintainership of my ports

2011-04-26 Thread Charlie Kester


Well, due to some serious philosophical differences re these
deprecation campaigns and what seems to be resistance to any further
discussion, I don't think I can continue working with the committers.
So I'm stepping down.

If no one else wants to maintain them, please reset the maintainer of 
the following ports to po...@freebsd.org:


audio/mcplay
deskutils/osmo
deskutils/teapot
devel/argtable
devel/egypt
devel/gengetopt
devel/libXGP
devel/libYGP
finance/xinvest
finance/xquote
graphics/box
graphics/boxer
graphics/fly
graphics/sng
math/ised
misc/vifm
misc/xsw
multimedia/gpodder
multimedia/openshot
multimedia/photofilmstrip
security/beecrypt
security/ccrypt
security/nettle
security/ranpwd
sysutils/dircomp
sysutils/gaffitter
sysutils/iextract
sysutils/lookat
sysutils/moreutils
sysutils/moreutils-parallel
sysutils/ncdu
sysutils/rdup
textproc/tdhkit
x11/fbpanel


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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Garance A Drosehn

On 4/25/11 8:28 PM, martinko wrote:

Ok,
I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports


Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
   FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken
and
   FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion

show up recently.  I did have some mixup in my email account
for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement
on how that is handled now.

Where is the current list of deprecated ports?

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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Robert Huff

Garance A Drosehn writes:

  Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
  FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken
  and
  FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion
  
  show up recently.  I did have some mixup in my email account
  for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement
  on how that is handled now.

I get regular e-mails for marked as broken.


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Re: expiration of net/skype ?!

2011-04-26 Thread Jason J. Hellenthal

martinko,

Hi, Ive read your post below and the following two messages on this
among other messages regarding the deprecation of ports.

One thing that should be noted is that once the deprecation process is
done and over and the port nolonger becomes part of the tree, you are
still more than able and welcome to keep the distfiles you have as well
checkout just the port directory in question that you are worried about
to a seperate place other than the ports tree to maintain it locally.

The port may not exactly be in the snapshot tree but just because of
that does not mean it will not work for you from a different location.

Also note that it may actually be good practice for those that need to
use those ports but are unsure of exactly what it involves to upkeep
them. It could lead you to another time where you might be interested in
being the maintainer for that port.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 01:47:30AM +0200, martinko wrote:
Hi all,

So what is this deprecation and expiration of net/skype port please ??
I'm asking because I've been using it successfully for more than a year 
and installed it again just this weekend without any issue.  And I've 
read in the mailing lists many others use it too.  So why all that 
black-listing ?  Should I copy the port to my home folder for future 
installations ?  Or can I / we do something about keeping it in the 
ports tree ?  I would surely appreciate if it could stay there.


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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:


 Garance A Drosehn writes:

   Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
   FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken
   and
   FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion
 
   show up recently.  I did have some mixup in my email account
   for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement
   on how that is handled now.

 I get regular e-mails for marked as broken.


Last one I have is from Jan 21, prior to that it was twice monthly.

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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Jason J. Hellenthal

Adam,


On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:51:39PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:


 Garance A Drosehn writes:

   Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
   FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken
   and
   FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion
 
   show up recently.  I did have some mixup in my email account
   for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement
   on how that is handled now.

 I get regular e-mails for marked as broken.


Last one I have is from Jan 21, prior to that it was twice monthly.


Must be they were scheduled for deletion ;) last ones I received here
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Re: saving a few ports from death

2011-04-26 Thread Mark Linimon
I need to migrate portsmon to another server so that we can start up
these periodic emails again.

mcl
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Re: Dropping maintainership of my ports

2011-04-26 Thread Ruslan Mahmatkhanov

27.04.2011 05:43, Charlie Kester пишет:


Well, due to some serious philosophical differences re these
deprecation campaigns and what seems to be resistance to any further
discussion, I don't think I can continue working with the committers.
So I'm stepping down.

If no one else wants to maintain them, please reset the maintainer of the
following ports to po...@freebsd.org:



I'm interesting in maintaing of this ports:


multimedia/gpodder
sysutils/rdup


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Re: Dropping maintainership of my ports

2011-04-26 Thread Zhihao Yuan
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, due to some serious philosophical differences re these
 deprecation campaigns and what seems to be resistance to any further
 discussion, I don't think I can continue working with the committers.
 So I'm stepping down.

 If no one else wants to maintain them, please reset the maintainer of the
 following ports to po...@freebsd.org:

 audio/mcplay
 deskutils/osmo
 deskutils/teapot
 devel/argtable
 devel/egypt
 devel/gengetopt
 devel/libXGP
 devel/libYGP
 finance/xinvest
 finance/xquote
 graphics/box
 graphics/boxer
 graphics/fly
 graphics/sng
 math/ised
 misc/vifm
 misc/xsw
 multimedia/gpodder
 multimedia/openshot
 multimedia/photofilmstrip
 security/beecrypt
 security/ccrypt
 security/nettle
 security/ranpwd
 sysutils/dircomp
 sysutils/gaffitter
 sysutils/iextract
 sysutils/lookat
 sysutils/moreutils
 sysutils/moreutils-parallel
 sysutils/ncdu
 sysutils/rdup
 textproc/tdhkit
 x11/fbpanel

O-o-ok... philosophical differences.

audio/mcplay and the 3 multimedia-related ports, + fbpanel, have many
users, AFAIK, and require much works. We need to someone to take them
soon.



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