Re: expiration of net/skype ?!
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:29:16 +1000 Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org wrote: On 2011-Apr-26 01:47:30 +0200, martinko gam...@users.sf.net wrote: So what is this deprecation and expiration of net/skype port please ?? Whilst the Skype port still works, the version of Skype referenced by the port is no longer available and later versions of Skype do not (currently) work on FreeBSD. My reading of the Skype license suggests that the FreeBSD Project cannot host the distfile without an agreement with Skype. This means that someone who doesn't currently have the Skype distfile cannot install the Skype port. True, and we've kept it like this for a long time. I have asked people at skype to allow us to redistribute the distfile, but that's impossible for legal reasons (not theirs). I believe work is underway to support the currently available version of Skype. It is, and it's kinda workoing on HEAD plus some patches. One thing all of oyu could do is bug skype on their forums to provide an OSS version; I recently argued about that with their linux product manager, so more voices would help. -- Ion-Mihai Tetcu ite...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Call for Testers: VirtualBox 4.0.6 (PBIs now available)
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:29:43 -0300, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: For me it is working... running windows XP dnd linux over an old(4.0.2) image it is ok... very stable... Only a problem remains (that is not still fixed): it is the problem with the vnc in VBoxHeadless the cursor is not in sync (the vnc cursor) is not in sync with the XP cursor.. although the sync is better (compared with 4.0.2 but is still out of sync)... How to reproduce: VBoxHeadless --vnc --vncport 5901 --startvm XPimg then goto another machine and execute: vncviewer x.x.x.x:5901, the system opens works but the mouse cursor is not in sync... Question: Will there be a fix??? Don't know if that is a bug or a problem of the implementation. I would recommend waiting for the VNC extpack. -- Bernhard Fröhlich http://www.bluelife.at/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OpenNMS link/port
On 22 April 2011 17:31, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 April 2011 17:40, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: I've shoved all the revisions of the port I created into a mercurial repo pushed it up to bitbucket. https://bitbucket.org/sevan/opennms/overview Another repo for the unstable branch of OpenNMS https://bitbucket.org/sevan/opennms-dev/overview v1.8.11 port http://www.geeklan.co.uk/files/opennms/opennms-1811-freebsd-port.tgz v1.9.7 port http://www.geeklan.co.uk/files/opennms/opennms-dev-197-freebsd-port.tgz ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
On Mon 25 Apr 2011 at 22:55:10 PDT Ade Lovett wrote: On Apr 25, 2011, at 21:41 , Charlie Kester wrote: Maybe freshports could implement a voting system like the one at osx.iusethis.com? Voting implies some kind of democracy. I just thought it might be useful to get some actual data to support the inference that an unmaintained port is likely to be an unused and therefore unneeded port. I have no objection to your argument that what gets done is what someone is willing to do. And I am sensitive to the fact that every port imposes some additional burden on the system. I'm all for cleaning out the cruft. I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually check them against the popularity ratings on a site like freshmeat. It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time being. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken
Hi, I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken. I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386. May I have log, please ? -- olivier ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken
Olivier Duchateau píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 19:23 +0200: Hi, I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken. I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386. May I have log, please ? Sure, http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=portname=thunar-archive-plugin Missing dependency most probably. -- -- Pav Lucistnik p...@oook.cz p...@freebsd.org Two sausages are in a frying pan. One says, Geez, it's hot in here isn't it? And the other one says, Aah! A talking sausage! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: saving a few ports from death
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:34:24 -0700 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated: It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time being. If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application, just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+po...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
Quoth Jerry on Tuesday, 26 April 2011: On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:34:24 -0700 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated: It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time being. If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application, just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain. There could be quite a delay in that reaction -- it might not hit home until the port needs to be rebuilt. -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpyiCaUBhmgH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken
26.04.2011 21:49, Pav Lucistnik пишет: Olivier Duchateau píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 19:23 +0200: Hi, I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken. I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386. May I have log, please ? Sure, http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=portname=thunar-archive-plugin Missing dependency most probably. This patch should work. -- Regards, Ruslan --- Makefile.orig 2011-04-26 01:55:55.0 +0400 +++ Makefile2011-04-26 23:13:30.0 +0400 @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ USE_XFCE= configenv libexo thunar USE_GETTEXT= yes INSTALLS_ICONS=yes -USE_GNOME= desktopfileutils +USE_GNOME= desktopfileutils intltool USE_GMAKE= yes .include bsd.port.mk ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Call for Testers: VirtualBox 4.0.6 (PBIs now available)
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:42:29 -0400, Ryan Stone wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Bernhard Froehlich de...@freebsd.org wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:01:40 +0200, Bernhard Froehlich wrote: PBIs for PC-BSD are currently worked on and will hopefully be available in a few days. Thanks a lot to Jesse Smith, Dru Lavigne and Ken Moore for the efforts to provide the PBIs! PC-BSD 8.x 32bit: http://disasterarea.chruetertee.ch/virtualbox/4.0.6/virtualbox-4.0.6-i386.pbi ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/pbioutgoing/i386/8/emulators/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-4.0.6-i386.pbi PC-BSD 8.x 64bit: http://disasterarea.chruetertee.ch/virtualbox/4.0.6/virtualbox-4.0.6-amd64.pbi ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/pbioutgoing/x64/8/emulators/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-4.0.6-amd64.pbi Feedback (positive and negative) from PC-BSD users is very welcome! I installed the 64-bit PBI on my PC-BSD 8.2 machine, but I am unable to start any virtual machines(both pre-existing VMs or a new VM that I tried to create). I get the following error dialog: Failed to open a session for the virtual machine RELENG_8_amd64. Failed to load VMMR0.r0 (VERR_SUPLIB_SYMLINKS_ARE_NOT_PERMITTED). Unknown error creating VM (VERR_SUPLIB_SYMLINKS_ARE_NOT_PERMITTED). Details: Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Component: Console Interface: IConsole {515e8e8d-f932-4d8e-9f32-79a52aead882} Yeah, thanks we already know. They added some strict hardening checks in virtualbox 4.0 that fail on PC-BSD. Kris Moore is currently rebuilding the PBIs with some modifications. That's exactly why we have call for testers so find such weird problems that nobody could think of. -- Bernhard Froehlich http://www.bluelife.at/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why archivers/thunar-archive plugin is broken
Ruslan Mahmatkhanov píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 23:14 +0400: 26.04.2011 21:49, Pav Lucistnik пишет: Olivier Duchateau píše v út 26. 04. 2011 v 19:23 +0200: Hi, I noticed port, archivers/thunar-archive-plugin is marked as broken. I'm using it, and it works fine under FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386. May I have log, please ? Sure, http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=portname=thunar-archive-plugin Missing dependency most probably. This patch should work. It does. -- -- Pav Lucistnik p...@oook.cz p...@freebsd.org It also explains why paper clips just lie there while you look at them, but as soon as you turn your back, they run away, giggling wildly, and transform themselves into coat hangers. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: saving a few ports from death
Chip Camden writes: If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application, just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain. There could be quite a delay in that reaction -- it might not hit home until the port needs to be rebuilt. It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 09:34:24 PDT Charlie Kester wrote: I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually check them against the popularity ratings on a site like freshmeat. It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time being. FWIW, here are some popularity/vitality stats from freshmeat for unmaintained ports in the sysutils category. Freshmeat calculates these stats as follows: popularity = ((record hits + URL hits) * (subscriptions + 1))^(1/2) where record hits = hits on the freshmeat project page, url hits = clickthroughs to author's projectpage or download site, and subscriptions = freshmeat users following the project. vitality = ((announcements * age) / (last_announcement))^(1/2) The number of announcements a project has made is multiplied by the number of days it has existed in the database, which is then divided by the days passed since the last release. This way, projects with lots of announcements that have been around for a long time and have recently come out with a new release earn a high vitality score, and old projects that have only been announced once get a low vitality score. For comparison and to give a sense of scale, here are the stats for some well-known projects: NamePopularity Vitality mplayer 3,995.2045.16 MySQL 3,310.5573.39 mutt1,032.7142.53 conky 173.67 3.60 exaile 64.48 3.75 In the attached file, ports listed with popularity and vitality scores = 0 are those where there is no entry in the freshmeat database. I made no effort to verify that a freshmeat project with the same name as the port is in fact the same program, so there might be some false positives in the data. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 14:27:47 PDT Charlie Kester wrote: On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 09:34:24 PDT Charlie Kester wrote: I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually check them against the popularity ratings on a site like freshmeat. It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time being. FWIW, here are some popularity/vitality stats from freshmeat for unmaintained ports in the sysutils category. Freshmeat calculates these stats as follows: popularity = ((record hits + URL hits) * (subscriptions + 1))^(1/2) where record hits = hits on the freshmeat project page, url hits = clickthroughs to author's projectpage or download site, and subscriptions = freshmeat users following the project. vitality = ((announcements * age) / (last_announcement))^(1/2) The number of announcements a project has made is multiplied by the number of days it has existed in the database, which is then divided by the days passed since the last release. This way, projects with lots of announcements that have been around for a long time and have recently come out with a new release earn a high vitality score, and old projects that have only been announced once get a low vitality score. For comparison and to give a sense of scale, here are the stats for some well-known projects: NamePopularity Vitality mplayer 3,995.2045.16 MySQL 3,310.5573.39 mutt1,032.7142.53 conky 173.67 3.60 exaile 64.48 3.75 In the attached file, ports listed with popularity and vitality scores = 0 are those where there is no entry in the freshmeat database. I made no effort to verify that a freshmeat project with the same name as the port is in fact the same program, so there might be some false positives in the data. Drat, the mailinglist rejected the attachment. If anyone wants to see it, send me a private email and I'll reply with a copy. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:54:05 -0700 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org articulated: On 04/26/2011 14:18, Robert Huff wrote: It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial. Fair enough, then one of them needs to step forward to maintain the port. :) FWIW, I think that the person who suggested deleting the port as a way to gain a metric of its popularity was joking ... Sorry, but I was dead serious. Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone) Cinderella If no one steps up claiming to need the port, then good riddance. If on the other hand a user claims a valid use of the port, let them take responsibility for it or find someone who will. Leaving intact ports that either don't build, cannot be fetched, etcetera does not really make a lot of sense. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+po...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
On 04/26/2011 15:09, Charlie Kester wrote: Now that I have my code proved out, I'm going to expand it to look at all unmaintained ports regardless of category. Any suggestions for where I should post the results? (That is, unless you think the bitbucket is the only suitable place for it.) As a matter of curiosity, sure, put it on a web site somewhere, no worries. Meanwhile, I think you might be missing the point. :) We should not be looking for reasons to save unmaintained ports. We should be providing resources for those that would like to adopt them, pointing users to suitable alternatives, marking them deprecated so as to encourage maintainers to come forward, etc. In other words, exactly what we have been doing. Yes, there will likely be a period after the ports actually disappear where some of them will need to be resurrected because someone will finally be motivated to step forward. But that's easily done. Meanwhile, let's nuke as much as we can, as fast as we can. We're rapidly closing in on 23,000 ports, which is already an unmanageable mess. We need to be able to delete the cruft if we have any hope of keeping the ship afloat. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Dropping maintainership of my ports
Well, due to some serious philosophical differences re these deprecation campaigns and what seems to be resistance to any further discussion, I don't think I can continue working with the committers. So I'm stepping down. If no one else wants to maintain them, please reset the maintainer of the following ports to po...@freebsd.org: audio/mcplay deskutils/osmo deskutils/teapot devel/argtable devel/egypt devel/gengetopt devel/libXGP devel/libYGP finance/xinvest finance/xquote graphics/box graphics/boxer graphics/fly graphics/sng math/ised misc/vifm misc/xsw multimedia/gpodder multimedia/openshot multimedia/photofilmstrip security/beecrypt security/ccrypt security/nettle security/ranpwd sysutils/dircomp sysutils/gaffitter sysutils/iextract sysutils/lookat sysutils/moreutils sysutils/moreutils-parallel sysutils/ncdu sysutils/rdup textproc/tdhkit x11/fbpanel ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
On 4/25/11 8:28 PM, martinko wrote: Ok, I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken and FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion show up recently. I did have some mixup in my email account for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement on how that is handled now. Where is the current list of deprecated ports? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= g...@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or g...@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor dro...@rpi.edu ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
Garance A Drosehn writes: Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken and FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion show up recently. I did have some mixup in my email account for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement on how that is handled now. I get regular e-mails for marked as broken. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: expiration of net/skype ?!
martinko, Hi, Ive read your post below and the following two messages on this among other messages regarding the deprecation of ports. One thing that should be noted is that once the deprecation process is done and over and the port nolonger becomes part of the tree, you are still more than able and welcome to keep the distfiles you have as well checkout just the port directory in question that you are worried about to a seperate place other than the ports tree to maintain it locally. The port may not exactly be in the snapshot tree but just because of that does not mean it will not work for you from a different location. Also note that it may actually be good practice for those that need to use those ports but are unsure of exactly what it involves to upkeep them. It could lead you to another time where you might be interested in being the maintainer for that port. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 01:47:30AM +0200, martinko wrote: Hi all, So what is this deprecation and expiration of net/skype port please ?? I'm asking because I've been using it successfully for more than a year and installed it again just this weekend without any issue. And I've read in the mailing lists many others use it too. So why all that black-listing ? Should I copy the port to my home folder for future installations ? Or can I / we do something about keeping it in the ports tree ? I would surely appreciate if it could stay there. -- Regards, (jhell) Jason Hellenthal pgpEgF7qh4JeD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: saving a few ports from death
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Garance A Drosehn writes: Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken and FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion show up recently. I did have some mixup in my email account for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement on how that is handled now. I get regular e-mails for marked as broken. Last one I have is from Jan 21, prior to that it was twice monthly. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: saving a few ports from death
Adam, On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:51:39PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Garance A Drosehn writes: Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken and FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion show up recently. I did have some mixup in my email account for a short period, so I assume I just missed an announcement on how that is handled now. I get regular e-mails for marked as broken. Last one I have is from Jan 21, prior to that it was twice monthly. Must be they were scheduled for deletion ;) last ones I received here for the two first listed subjects above were recieved January. -- Regards, (jhell) Jason Hellenthal pgpcLCljljQNW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: saving a few ports from death
I need to migrate portsmon to another server so that we can start up these periodic emails again. mcl ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dropping maintainership of my ports
27.04.2011 05:43, Charlie Kester пишет: Well, due to some serious philosophical differences re these deprecation campaigns and what seems to be resistance to any further discussion, I don't think I can continue working with the committers. So I'm stepping down. If no one else wants to maintain them, please reset the maintainer of the following ports to po...@freebsd.org: I'm interesting in maintaing of this ports: multimedia/gpodder sysutils/rdup -- Regards, Ruslan ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dropping maintainership of my ports
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: Well, due to some serious philosophical differences re these deprecation campaigns and what seems to be resistance to any further discussion, I don't think I can continue working with the committers. So I'm stepping down. If no one else wants to maintain them, please reset the maintainer of the following ports to po...@freebsd.org: audio/mcplay deskutils/osmo deskutils/teapot devel/argtable devel/egypt devel/gengetopt devel/libXGP devel/libYGP finance/xinvest finance/xquote graphics/box graphics/boxer graphics/fly graphics/sng math/ised misc/vifm misc/xsw multimedia/gpodder multimedia/openshot multimedia/photofilmstrip security/beecrypt security/ccrypt security/nettle security/ranpwd sysutils/dircomp sysutils/gaffitter sysutils/iextract sysutils/lookat sysutils/moreutils sysutils/moreutils-parallel sysutils/ncdu sysutils/rdup textproc/tdhkit x11/fbpanel O-o-ok... philosophical differences. audio/mcplay and the 3 multimedia-related ports, + fbpanel, have many users, AFAIK, and require much works. We need to someone to take them soon. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Zhihao Yuan The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org