Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Ade Lovett

 It just means that folks didn't plan ahead and didn't think up
 proper contingency plans.

First off, apologies to Garrett, I'm not picking on you directly, but I
kinda knew this would come up.

The undeniable fact is that configure scripts in general have chosen to
do things a certain way.  Unfortunately for us (us being FreeBSD), we
have now broken these conceptions by moving to a dual-digit major
release.

Emails have been passed around (somewhere starting around the 7.x
series when it became obvious we would be hitting 10.x a lot sooner
than expected).  It is no-one's fault that 23,000+ third party
applications couldn't be tweaked prior to a trivial change
in /sys/conf/newvers.sh that resulted in this oops.

The message I wanted to set across is that until such time as us ports
folks have had a chance to really work out the damage, and start on
fixing it, then for those running 10-CURRENT, things are likely to be
non-linear for a while.

Our primary responsibility right now is to ensure that a proper set of
packages gets built for the impending 9.0-RELEASE.  We haven't
forgotten you bleeding edge folks, it's just that right now, you're
somewhat down the food chain.

Make no mistake.  This move to a double-digit major version number is
going to cause serious pain.  We will do our best to fix, hack, slash,
and whatever around it, but right now the focus is the last of our
remaining single-digit releases.  Until that is out the door, do not be
expecting tree-wide commits to fix things.

-aDe
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread h h
Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com writes:

 On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovett a...@freebsd.org wrote:

 With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
 expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.

 The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
 at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
 major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
 FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.
[...]

 aDe,

 Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
 entry when ports/ is unbroken).

Also mention a workaround, e.g.

  $ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Daniel O'Connor

On 27/09/2011, at 13:33, Ade Lovett wrote:
 That is to say, until 9.0-R happens, and for some considerable period
 afterwards, ya'll can pretty much expect ports/ to be non-functional on
 HEAD.  PRs mentioning this will be gleefully closed referencing this
 message.

I imagine you can work around it by setting UNAME_r=9.0-CURRENT before building 
stuff.

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outside the box (Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT)

2011-09-27 Thread perryh
Ade Lovett a...@freebsd.org wrote:

 The undeniable fact is that configure scripts in general have
 chosen to do things a certain way.  Unfortunately for us (us
 being FreeBSD), we have now broken these conceptions by moving
 to a dual-digit major release.

I don't suppose 

  REVISION=A.1

i.e. using a single hex digit instead of two decimal digits,
would work any better :)

(IIRC alphas do sort after numerics, at least in the C locale.)
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Re: Current unassigned ports problem reports

2011-09-27 Thread Thomas Mueller
Is the cups-base problem on the assigned list, being incompatible with the 
optional avahi (DNSSD)?

 The BROKEN message references http://www.avahi.org/ticket/303 -- look
 there for more information on why it's marked as such.


Tom

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread O. Hartmann

On 09/27/11 08:35, h h wrote:

Kevin Obermankob6...@gmail.com  writes:


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovetta...@freebsd.org  wrote:


With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.

The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.

[...]


aDe,

Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
entry when ports/ is unbroken).


Also mention a workaround, e.g.

   $ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'



Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for 
their tenth version of their operating system ...

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Garrett Cooper

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, h h wrote:


Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com writes:


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovett a...@freebsd.org wrote:


With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.

The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.

[...]


aDe,

Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
entry when ports/ is unbroken).


Also mention a workaround, e.g.

 $ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'


Assuming that a script's detection algorithm is simple. Please see 
http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2007-07/msg00597.html 
for a more complete masquerading algorithm.p

-Garrett
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
 On 09/27/11 08:35, h h wrote:
 Kevin Obermankob6...@gmail.com  writes:
 
 On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovetta...@freebsd.org  wrote:
 
 With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
 expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.
 
 The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
 at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
 major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
 FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.
 [...]
 
 aDe,
 
 Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
 entry when ports/ is unbroken).
 
 Also mention a workaround, e.g.
 
$ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'
 
 
 Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for 
 their tenth version of their operating system ...

At least there will be a long rest after
the move to 10 is complete.. until FreeBSD 100.

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Eduardo Morras

At 11:18 27/09/2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

 Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for
 their tenth version of their operating system ...

At least there will be a long rest after
the move to 10 is complete.. until FreeBSD 100.



Or move to hexadecimal

$ export UNAME_r='A.0-CURRENT' 



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Re: outside the box (Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT)

2011-09-27 Thread O. Hartmann

On 09/27/11 16:46, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

Ade Lovetta...@freebsd.org  wrote:


The undeniable fact is that configure scripts in general have
chosen to do things a certain way.  Unfortunately for us (us
being FreeBSD), we have now broken these conceptions by moving
to a dual-digit major release.


I don't suppose

   REVISION=A.1

i.e. using a single hex digit instead of two decimal digits,
would work any better :)



... it will only postpone the agony ... better to deal now than shifting 
it to the future ...

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread krad
On 27 September 2011 10:18, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.uk wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
  On 09/27/11 08:35, h h wrote:
  Kevin Obermankob6...@gmail.com  writes:
  
  On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovetta...@freebsd.org  wrote:
  
  With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to
 be
  expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.
  
  The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
  at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
  major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1*
 (ie:
  FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.
  [...]
  
  aDe,
  
  Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
  entry when ports/ is unbroken).
  
  Also mention a workaround, e.g.
  
 $ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'
 
 
  Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for
  their tenth version of their operating system ...

 At least there will be a long rest after
 the move to 10 is complete.. until FreeBSD 100.

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 Mech Eng Dept
 Bristol University
 University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK
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we can leave that to our grand children to figure out though 8)
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread h h
Eduardo Morras nec...@retena.com writes:

 At 11:18 27/09/2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

  Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for
  their tenth version of their operating system ...

At least there will be a long rest after
the move to 10 is complete.. until FreeBSD 100.


 Or move to hexadecimal

 $ export UNAME_r='A.0-CURRENT' 

Wouldn't this fail if version is parsed with regex?

# from mysql
ELSEIF(CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME MATCHES FreeBSD)
  STRING(REGEX MATCH [0-9]+\\.[0-9]+  VER ${CMAKE_SYSTEM_VERSION})
  SET(DEFAULT_PLATFORM ${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME}${VER})
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Robert Huff

krad writes:
  we can leave that to our grand children to figure out though 8)

Wasn't that what people said about two-digit years?


Robert Huff

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 08:22:54AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote:
 
 krad writes:
   we can leave that to our grand children to figure out though 8)
 
   Wasn't that what people said about two-digit years?

Not quite.  There they mostly said No way that this program will still
be in use when two-digit years becomes a problem!  




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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Eitan Adler
2011/9/27 O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de:
 Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for their
 tenth version of their operating system ...

FreeBSD XP anyone?

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 27 September 2011 20:22, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:

 krad writes:
  we can leave that to our grand children to figure out though 8)

        Wasn't that what people said about two-digit years?

Our children will be dealing with Y2038. :-)



Adrian
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Doug Rabson
On 27 September 2011 13:57, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 27 September 2011 20:22, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:
 
  krad writes:
   we can leave that to our grand children to figure out though 8)
 
 Wasn't that what people said about two-digit years?

 Our children will be dealing with Y2038. :-)


I'm sure some of us old-timers will be looking for high-paid 2038
consultancy work to fund our lavish retirement plans...
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Robert Huff

Adrian Chadd writes:

    we can leave that to our grand children to figure out though 8)
  
          Wasn't that what people said about two-digit years?
  
  Our children will be dealing with Y2038. :-)

Statistically, some of us will.


Robert Huff

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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:36:17AM -0400 I heard the voice of
Robert Huff, and lo! it spake thus:
 Adrian Chadd writes:
   Our children will be dealing with Y2038. :-)
 
 Statistically, some of us will.

Actually, I had to deal with it just last week...


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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Hartmann, O.
On 09/27/11 16:27, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:36:17AM -0400 I heard the voice of
 Robert Huff, and lo! it spake thus:
 Adrian Chadd writes:
  Our children will be dealing with Y2038. :-)
 Statistically, some of us will.
 Actually, I had to deal with it just last week...



I was there, tomorrow.
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 September 2011 10:18, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
 On 09/27/11 08:35, h h wrote:
 Kevin Obermankob6...@gmail.com  writes:
 
 On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovetta...@freebsd.org  wrote:
 
 With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
 expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.
 
 The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
 at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
 major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
 FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.
 [...]
 
 aDe,
 
 Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
 entry when ports/ is unbroken).
 
 Also mention a workaround, e.g.
 
    $ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'


 Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for
 their tenth version of their operating system ...

 At least there will be a long rest after
 the move to 10 is complete.. until FreeBSD 100.



I'm afraid not;

freebsd2*)

We'll be just as screwed at 20.

Hopefully we can fix that at the same time.

Chris
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Brandon Gooch
On Sep 27, 2011 10:04 AM, Chris Rees cr...@freebsd.org wrote:

 On 27 September 2011 10:18, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.uk
wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
  On 09/27/11 08:35, h h wrote:
  Kevin Obermankob6...@gmail.com  writes:
  
  On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Ade Lovetta...@freebsd.org  wrote:
  
  With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to
be
  expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.
  
  The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something
completely
  at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
  major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1*
(ie:
  FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.
  [...]
  
  aDe,
  
  Could an entry to this effect be added to UPDATING (with a matching
  entry when ports/ is unbroken).
  
  Also mention a workaround, e.g.
  
 $ export UNAME_r='9.9-BLAH'
 
 
  Now I understand why some OS vendors have choosen the latin 10 'X' for
  their tenth version of their operating system ...
 
  At least there will be a long rest after
  the move to 10 is complete.. until FreeBSD 100.
 


 I'm afraid not;

 freebsd2*)

 We'll be just as screwed at 20.

 Hopefully we can fix that at the same time.

 Chris


Now is the moment we grab 'BSD', dropping the 'Free', and start fresh at a
1.x point... Rebrand and be more conservative with release numbering...

Crazy right? Sorry for the noise...

(Goes off to check the status of bsd.org)

-Brandon
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Re: USE_GCC and unnesessary RUN_DENEDS on gcc port (Was: Print +REQUIRED_BY as tree?)

2011-09-27 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
 Or, maybe automate this, as now port system warns user about possible 
 network servers -- check all installed binaries and libraries for 
 linkage with non-system-gcc libraries and add run dependency. But
 I'm not sure it is easy to do, as it should be done after installation, 
 when, I afraid, adding RUN_DEPEND at this stage doesn't help, so this 
 automatic should make all depends-related work (+REQUIRED_BY / +CONTENT) 
 by hands.

I think you have a good observation here.  One way of addressing it,
which would be simpler and less effort and risk, is to split the large
lang/gcc ports into smaller bits, including a run-time port, once the
work on this infrastructure (that Linux distributions have been using
for more than ten years) is in place.

In other words, have something like a gcc-runtime package that falls
out of the lang/gcc port and covers all those needs.  (That's not the
minimum, assuming we still have something -- bet it GCC 4.2 or LLVM
based in the base system -- but quite small.)

Gerald
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Gleb Kurtsou
On (26/09/2011 23:03), Ade Lovett wrote:
 With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
 expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.
 
 The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
 at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
 major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
 FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.

It's more exciting than that. FreeBSD = 10 is already seized by
Apple :)

http://www.google.com/codesearch#search/q=__FreeBSD__%5CW%2B10type=cs


 
 This is going to be some fairly fundamental breakage.
 
 However, until such time as 9.0-RELEASE is completely out of the door,
 with autotools hat on, I will _not_ be committing any changes to
 infrastructural ports to fix this.
 
 That is to say, until 9.0-R happens, and for some considerable period
 afterwards, ya'll can pretty much expect ports/ to be non-functional on
 HEAD.  PRs mentioning this will be gleefully closed referencing this
 message.
 
 -aDe
 
 Reply-To set to me.  Please honor it.
 
 
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Vlad Galu
On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Gleb Kurtsou wrote:
 On (26/09/2011 23:03), Ade Lovett wrote:
 With the advent of the conversion of HEAD to 10.0-CURRENT and, as to be
 expected, ports/ is going to be essentially unusable for a while.
 
 The issue stems from configure scripts (to choose something completely
 at random) assuming that FreeBSD would never jump to a double-digit
 major version number, and as such, various regexps for freebsd1* (ie:
 FreeBSD 1.1.x) are now matching freebsd10.
 
 It's more exciting than that. FreeBSD = 10 is already seized by
 Apple :)
 
 http://www.google.com/codesearch#search/q=__FreeBSD__%5CW%2B10type=cs
 

That seems to be a FUSE-ism. __FreeBSD__  isn't defined anywhere on my OSX 
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Re: HEADS UP: ports/ and 10.0-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi--

On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gleb Kurtsou wrote:
 It's more exciting than that. FreeBSD = 10 is already seized by Apple :)
 
 http://www.google.com/codesearch#search/q=__FreeBSD__%5CW%2B10type=cs

MacOS X doesn't define __FreeBSD__ either in CPP macros or the system headers:

% touch foo.h; cpp -dM foo.h | grep __FreeBSD__ 
% cpp --version
i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)
Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Regards,
-- 
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Re: Shared libs problem with ports under 10-CURRENT

2011-09-27 Thread Eitan Adler
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Rainer Hurling rhur...@gwdg.de wrote:
 This morning I tried to upgrade my ports after installing the new 10-CURRENT
 (amd64).
There was a message about this on the list already.


 Does anyone else observes this behaviour? I would really appreciate some
 help.

https://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.freebsd.ports/msg/10c37925f4ee0341?dmode=sourceoutput=gplainnoredirect




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Re: ports/161089: [REPOCOPY] math/qhull -- math/qhull5

2011-09-27 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
I am sending this to you because you maintain a port that depends upon 
math/qhull.  I plan to move this to math/qhull5, because the new version 
of qhull is not necessarily compatible with the port(s) you maintain.


This is the complete list.
games/kdegames4, math/labplot, math/octave-devel, math/octave, and 
math/plplot.


More details at:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=161089




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