FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date

2013-12-20 Thread portscout
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vlc 2.1.2,4

2013-12-20 Thread Ajtim
Hi!

I don't know what is different but previous update of 2.1.1,4 which I had 
problem to built (QT4 plugin) to version 2.1.1_1,4 works and version 2.1.1_2,4 
works too but todays update doesn't works again:

GEN  ../modules/plugins.dat
gmake[4]: *** [../modules/plugins.dat] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/vlc/work/vlc-2.1.2/bin'
gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/vlc/work/vlc-2.1.2'
gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/vlc/work/vlc-2.1.2'
=== Compilation failed unexpectedly.
Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes and rebuild before reporting the failure to
the maintainer.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/multimedia/vlc
*** Error code 1

I don't know what is going wrong...it works...it doesn't.

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:13:43 -0700
From: Chad Perrin c...@apotheon.net
To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm
 unsubscribing

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 
 From: Thomas Mueller
 
 There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or
 what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly.
 
 I disagree.
 I use only send-pr to send PRs.
 I use sendmail.

I disagree with you.  For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability
train wreck, and insufficiently well documented.

Let's agree to disagree.

A slightly different point:
I was a new user not so long ago.
The major issue for me was whether
to send a report at all.
Most times I'd be thinking
that I fucked up myself
(and in many cases I did).
In that case my first action would be to
ask in questions@, usually after
several days of trying to figure
out what I have done wrong. Only
after being advised in questions@
that it might be a real issue
and that I should submit a PR for it,
would I do it.

In other words, as a new user
I thought of sending a PR as
a last resort, because I doubted
myself a lot more than the
stability of FreeBSD and the
expertise of the team.
The actual tools to submit a PR
were never an obstacle.

Anton
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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread clutton
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:45 -0500, Eitan Adler wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote:
  Am 2013-12-17 23:33, schrieb John Marino:
 
  Over the months I've seen several ports users copy a failure log and
  mail it to ports@, usually without even saying hello.  I've tried to
  discourage that behavior but other members of this mail list encourage
  this method of bypassing writing PRs.  One user even proudly boasted
  that sending email to ports@ is faster than writing a PR so of course he
  was going to do that instead.
 
 
  That only shows how badly GNATS sucks and that it's much more uncomfortable
  to
  use than writing a mail.
  I totally agree that error need to be tracked in an error tracker where
  reports
  don't get lost, you have a proper history etc. pp. but GNATS is just ancient
  and
  should have died in a fire a long time ago.
 
 Agreed.  There is active work on moving to bugzilla instead of GNATS.
 I can't give a definite timeline but it should be 'soon'.
 

I would suggest to take a look at redmine. Not because I'm a ruby
developer. Pivotal and redmine are trackers which people like most.
Redmine does the same thing as a jira or a track but in more polite
manner :)


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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Thomas Mueller
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 
  From: Thomas Mueller
 
  There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or
  what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly.

  I disagree.
  I use only send-pr to send PRs.
  I use sendmail.

 I disagree with you.  For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability
 train wreck, and insufficiently well documented.  Sendmail is legendary
 for its obtuse configuration.  I suppose you should be proud of the fact
 you find these tools easy to use, but that does not mean you should
 dismiss others' concerns over how difficult some people find them.  The
 fact many people find these tools very difficult to use is in fact kind
 of a big problem, and I'm glad something is being done about it with
 regard to the bugzilla system.  I wouldn't have chosen bugzilla if it
 was up to me, but it's not up to me and it's sure to be a huge
 improvement over the system currently in place, so I'm grateful for the
 work being done.  Hopefully the command line send-pr tool will also be
 replaced with something that actually provides a low-friction way for
 people with problem reports to contribute to the FreeBSD project.

 In conclusion, I agree with Thomas (though I much prefer fdm over mpop,
 personally), and believe that send-pr (or its replacement, whenever that
 happens) desperately needs some better documentation.  I rather suspect
 that a lot of people with problems to report simply give up and leave us
 with no clue there's anything wrong.

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I think train wreck applies more to sendmail than send-pr.  Sendmail dates back 
to long-ago pre-Internet days where computer users didn't send email to other 
computer users.  Now a computer user needs to be able to send through ISP's 
SMTP server.

I see in FreeBSD 10-prerelease, certificates in /etc/mail, suspect that might 
be related to sendmail, but looks useful even to a sendmail nonuser.

Otherwise I'd put WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes in /etc/src.conf .

There needs to be documentation on how to use send-pr for sending through ISP's 
SMTP server, and computer's hostname should not have to match email address.

Nowadays, computer users may have multiple email accounts.

When I had OS/2 Warp 4, I sent mail by
sendmail -t  outgoing-message-with-all-headers
but figuring what to add to sendmail.cf took many hours.

Tom

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread clutton
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 11:13 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  
  From: Thomas Mueller
  
  There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or
  what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly.
  
  I disagree.
  I use only send-pr to send PRs.
  I use sendmail.
 
 I disagree with you.  For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability
 train wreck, and insufficiently well documented.  Sendmail is legendary
 for its obtuse configuration.  I suppose you should be proud of the fact
 you find these tools easy to use, but that does not mean you should
 dismiss others' concerns over how difficult some people find them.  The
 fact many people find these tools very difficult to use is in fact kind
 of a big problem, and I'm glad something is being done about it with
 regard to the bugzilla system.  I wouldn't have chosen bugzilla if it
 was up to me, but it's not up to me and it's sure to be a huge
 improvement over the system currently in place, so I'm grateful for the
 work being done.  Hopefully the command line send-pr tool will also be
 replaced with something that actually provides a low-friction way for
 people with problem reports to contribute to the FreeBSD project.
 
 In conclusion, I agree with Thomas (though I much prefer fdm over mpop,
 personally), and believe that send-pr (or its replacement, whenever that
 happens) desperately needs some better documentation.  I rather suspect
 that a lot of people with problems to report simply give up and leave us
 with no clue there's anything wrong.
 

+1
People wouldn't read the «Porters Handbook» because they want to make a
bug report. Category and Class are far away from obvious.

Handbook said that the FreeBSD consists from src, ports, and docs.
The send-pr Category dropbox contains ports, bin, java, ia64, etc. It's
insane to put everything here.


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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm
 unsubscribing
From: clutton clut...@zoho.com
To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  
  From: Thomas Mueller
  
  There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or
  what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly.
  
  I disagree.
  I use only send-pr to send PRs.
  I use sendmail.
 
 I disagree with you.  For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability
 train wreck, and insufficiently well documented.  Sendmail is legendary
 for its obtuse configuration.  I suppose you should be proud of the fact
 you find these tools easy to use, but that does not mean you should
 dismiss others' concerns over how difficult some people find them.  The
 fact many people find these tools very difficult to use is in fact kind
 of a big problem, and I'm glad something is being done about it with
 regard to the bugzilla system.  I wouldn't have chosen bugzilla if it
 was up to me, but it's not up to me and it's sure to be a huge
 improvement over the system currently in place, so I'm grateful for the
 work being done.  Hopefully the command line send-pr tool will also be
 replaced with something that actually provides a low-friction way for
 people with problem reports to contribute to the FreeBSD project.
 
 In conclusion, I agree with Thomas (though I much prefer fdm over mpop,
 personally), and believe that send-pr (or its replacement, whenever that
 happens) desperately needs some better documentation.  I rather suspect
 that a lot of people with problems to report simply give up and leave us
 with no clue there's anything wrong.
 

+1
People wouldn't read the «Porters Handbook» because they want to make a
bug report. Category and Class are far away from obvious.

Handbook said that the FreeBSD consists from src, ports, and docs.
The send-pr Category dropbox contains ports, bin, java, ia64, etc. It's
insane to put everything here.

This is a minor issue.
You could probably also remove severity
and priority, and let committers reclassify
as they see fit.

Most bug report systems I used - GCC, kde, paraview, qt -
present report submission forms which are too detailed,
in my users' opinion. Sure these extra fields might
help those dealing with the problem, who are ultimately
the people designing these systems.

Anyway, all this is trivia.

The major issues are - not enough people dealing
with PRs and PRs taking too long to be addressed.

Anton

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Kubilay Kocak
On 20/12/2013 10:32 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 In other words, as a new user
 I thought of sending a PR as
 a last resort, because I doubted
 myself a lot more than the
 stability of FreeBSD and the
 expertise of the team.
 The actual tools to submit a PR
 were never an obstacle.

This.

If you don't *get* what Anton just said, read it again until you do.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am that user too. A
@FreeBSD.org email, commit bit and still a new user that doubts myself
sometimes and looks to the team for the right thing to do.

If not for the encouragement of those in the project who grok what
motivates and demotivates people, I wouldn't be doing what I do today.

This thread is a real shame, mired in technical minutia as if that's
what really matters.

I am here to enable and be a steward for users like Anton, and your
contributions are valued. So thank you for sharing.

--
koobs.
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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread John Marino
On 12/20/2013 14:17, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
 I don't know about the rest of you, but I am that user too. A
 @FreeBSD.org email, commit bit and still a new user that doubts myself
 sometimes and looks to the team for the right thing to do.
 
 If not for the encouragement of those in the project who grok what
 motivates and demotivates people, I wouldn't be doing what I do today.
 
 This thread is a real shame, mired in technical minutia as if that's
 what really matters.
 
 I am here to enable and be a steward for users like Anton, and your
 contributions are valued. So thank you for sharing.

This sentiment described above is fine, but the thread was never
focused on cases like this.  The very narrow focus is on when the user
is saavy enough to recognize that the problem is not him, and that the
problem deserves a report.  Rather than submit a PR however, the user
just sends it to ports@.  That is not the case you are talking about --
in your scenario, the user is going to provide context and express his
confusion or doubt.  That is a far cry from sending exclusively a build
log.  So the real shame is that topic is getting expanding to include
all user interaction which was never the intent.

btw, accepting PRs at ports@ because we the maintainers are not
processing GNATS PRs better is treating the symptom of a bigger issue.
Yes, GNATS is antiquated, and letting the user specified the
classification is beyond boneheaded (as is never fixing that issue).
However, a lot of the PR processing issues is centered on inadequate
policies and frankly a coddling of delinquent maintainers (I'd like to
see it a lot easier to loss commit privileges).  But this is an entirely
different topic, one that portmgr has to stop avoiding and start
addressing.  In fact, there are a lot of areas of policy that need
updating (for years now) that are flat-out being neglected.  But the PR
system as it exists today is still the official process so we should try
to make it work.

John
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Re: x11/fbpanel: pkg fallout at 10.x

2013-12-20 Thread Boris Samorodov
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20.12.2013 10:58, Baptiste Daroussin пишет:
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:42:38AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 Hi All!

 The last week I started to get pkg-fallout@ emails about x11/fbpanel
 error:
 -
 cc panel.o misc.o plugin.o gtkbar.o bg.o gtkbgbox.o ev.o run.o xconf.o
 gconf.o gconf_panel.o gconf_plugins.o -o fbpanel  -L/usr/local/lib
 -lglib-2.0 -lintl   -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0
 -latk-1.0 -lcairo -pthread -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0
 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lintl -lfontconfig
 -L/usr/local/lib -lfreetype   -Wl,--export-dynamic -lgmodule-2.0
 -pthread -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lintl   -L/usr/local/lib
 -lglib-2.0 -lintl   -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0
 -latk-1.0 -lcairo -pthread -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0
 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lintl -lfontconfig
 -L/usr/local/lib -lfreetype
 /usr/bin/ld: �: invalid DSO for symbol `XChangeGC' definition
 //usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
 cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)
 gmake[2]: *** [fbpanel] Error 1
 -

 Full log is here:
 http://beefy2.isc.freebsd.org/bulk/10amd64-default/2013-12-19_20h45m51s/logs/fbpanel-6.1_4.log

 However I can not reproduce it myself:
 http://gw.wart.ru/bulk/10-i386-testing/2013-12-19_21h02m40s/logs/fluxbox-1.3.5.log
 http://gw.wart.ru/bulk/10-amd64-testing/2013-12-19_21h01m49s/logs/fluxbox-1.3.5.log

 Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

 
 That is probably a gtk2 upgrade fallout.
 
 gtk2 pkgconfig file is not adding -lX11 to LDFLAGS anymore.
 
 In general: on FreeBSD 10+, the ld(1) behaviour has been changed so that it 
 does
 not recursively get the DT_NEEDED from libraries it linked binaries to.
 
 Meaning in that case something exposes a X function to fbpanel, but does not
 tell it is needs to link to X11
 
 /usr/bin/ld: �: invalid DSO for symbol `XChangeGC' definition
 //usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
 
 LDFLAGS+= -lX11 should solve this.

I've seen some similar commit at the portstree. The problem is: I can't
reproduce the errors (hence can't test a fix).

The strange thing is that my test and pkg-fallout@ use different
environments:

=== pkg-fallout ===
- ---Begin OPTIONS List---
=== The following configuration options are available for fbpanel-6.1_4:
 DOCS=on: Build and/or install documentation
=== Use 'make config' to modify these settings
- ---End OPTIONS List---

- --CONFIGURE_ARGS--
- --prefix=/usr/local
- --End CONFIGURE_ARGS--
===


=== my poudriere test ===
- ---Begin OPTIONS List---
=== The following configuration options are available for fluxbox-1.3.5:
 DEBUG=off: Install debug symbols
 DOCHTML=off: Install html documentation
 DOCS=on: Build and/or install documentation
 GNOME=off: GNOME desktop environment support
 IMLIB2=off: Imlib 2 image library support
 NLS=on: Native Language Support
 PDFDOCS=off: Build and install PDF documentation
 REMEMBER=on: Enable remember feature
 SLIT=on: Enable slit feature
 SYSTRAY=on: Enable systray feature
 TOOLBAR=on: Enable toolbar feature
 XINERAMA=off: X11 Xinerama extension support
 XRENDER=on: Enable xrender support
=== Use 'make config' to modify these settings
- ---End OPTIONS List---

- --CONFIGURE_ARGS--
- --disable-imlib2 --enable-xinerama --enable-nls --enable-remember
- --enable-slit --enable-systray --enable-toolbar --enable-xrender
- --enable-gnome --x-libraries=/usr/local/lib
- --x-includes=/usr/local/include --prefix=/usr/local
${_LATE_CONFIGURE_ARGS}
- --End CONFIGURE_ARGS--
==


Seems that pkg-fallout does not know anything about port options and
their default values. My poudriere test uses default options. While
pkg-fallout just use the DOCS option.

- -- 
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FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
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Re: x11/fbpanel: pkg fallout at 10.x

2013-12-20 Thread John Marino
On 12/20/2013 14:54, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 20.12.2013 10:58, Baptiste Daroussin пишет:
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:42:38AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 gtk2 pkgconfig file is not adding -lX11 to LDFLAGS anymore.
 
 In general: on FreeBSD 10+, the ld(1) behaviour has been changed so that it 
 does
 not recursively get the DT_NEEDED from libraries it linked binaries to.
 
 Meaning in that case something exposes a X function to fbpanel, but does not
 tell it is needs to link to X11
 
 /usr/bin/ld: �: invalid DSO for symbol `XChangeGC' definition
 //usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
 
 LDFLAGS+= -lX11 should solve this.
 
 I've seen some similar commit at the portstree. The problem is: I can't
 reproduce the errors (hence can't test a fix).

I've recently seen dozens of similar, new errors on dports/dragonfly.
It's definitely a pkgconf issue and it just appeared.
I haven't tracked it done yet, but adding LDFLAGS+= to every broken port
is not ideal.  It's better to figure out which .pc file is broken and
fix that.

John
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Re: x11/fbpanel: pkg fallout at 10.x

2013-12-20 Thread Boris Samorodov
20.12.2013 18:00, John Marino пишет:

 It's better to figure out which .pc file is broken and fix that.

I believe it's what kwm@ is working on.

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Kubilay Kocak
On 21/12/2013 12:41 AM, John Marino wrote:
 On 12/20/2013 14:17, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
 I don't know about the rest of you, but I am that user too. A
 @FreeBSD.org email, commit bit and still a new user that doubts myself
 sometimes and looks to the team for the right thing to do.

 If not for the encouragement of those in the project who grok what
 motivates and demotivates people, I wouldn't be doing what I do today.

 This thread is a real shame, mired in technical minutia as if that's
 what really matters.

 I am here to enable and be a steward for users like Anton, and your
 contributions are valued. So thank you for sharing.
 
 This sentiment described above is fine, but the thread was never
 focused on cases like this.  The very narrow focus is on when the user
 is saavy enough to recognize that the problem is not him, and that the
 problem deserves a report.  Rather than submit a PR however, the user
 just sends it to ports@.  That is not the case you are talking about --
 in your scenario, the user is going to provide context and express his
 confusion or doubt.  That is a far cry from sending exclusively a build
 log.  So the real shame is that topic is getting expanding to include
 all user interaction which was never the intent.
 
 btw, accepting PRs at ports@ because we the maintainers are not
 processing GNATS PRs better is treating the symptom of a bigger issue.
 Yes, GNATS is antiquated, and letting the user specified the
 classification is beyond boneheaded (as is never fixing that issue).
 However, a lot of the PR processing issues is centered on inadequate
 policies and frankly a coddling of delinquent maintainers (I'd like to
 see it a lot easier to loss commit privileges).  But this is an entirely
 different topic, one that portmgr has to stop avoiding and start
 addressing.  In fact, there are a lot of areas of policy that need
 updating (for years now) that are flat-out being neglected.  But the PR
 system as it exists today is still the official process so we should try
 to make it work.
 
 John
 

I appreciate the distinction, and I agree with your premises. Setting a
high standard is not in question.

If your aim however, is to change or influence others, and you'll grant
that not everyone can know all there is to know about the values and
behaviours we espouse in advance, then a reply guiding (read: leading)
those individuals in the right direction would likely prove more
effective than what was perhaps just a symptom of frustration.

If you don't feel up to taking on that role, then maybe unsubscribing is
the way to go, though I hope its not as you have a lot of value to add.

koobs

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread John Marino
On 12/20/2013 15:09, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
 I appreciate the distinction, and I agree with your premises. Setting a
 high standard is not in question.

Thanks.

 If your aim however, is to change or influence others, and you'll grant
 that not everyone can know all there is to know about the values and
 behaviours we espouse in advance, then a reply guiding (read: leading)
 those individuals in the right direction would likely prove more
 effective than what was perhaps just a symptom of frustration.

At the beginning of the thread, I used the gcc developer list as an
actual example.  If anyone posst an inappropriate topic to the list, it
may get answered, but it will always get a this is not appropriate for
this list, please don't do it again, use the  list for this next
time.  I can imagine it's a slight put-off for brand new users but it
is effective.  People make a mistake once, and after that they do the
right thing.  Since they are publicly corrected, you can imagine they
educate dozens of people *before* they can make the same mistake.

So I'm talking about policing the list consistently.

 If you don't feel up to taking on that role, then maybe unsubscribing is
 the way to go, though I hope its not as you have a lot of value to add.

I had to try, but I suspected this thread would go the way of NetBSD
(Much discussion, zero net effect) and so far it has.  I expect this
topic to die down soon and I'll unsubscribe around new years eve, since
two weeks seems to be the ports grace period. :)

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ports/181836

2013-12-20 Thread Jay Borkenhagen
Hi,

It was suggested to me that I ask this question here.

Per http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=181836

An issue in the FreeBSD port of smartmontools was fixed on
21-November, yet an update containing that fix has not yet propagated
through the ports system.

What needs to happen for an updated port to be distributed?

Thank you.

Jay B.

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Kubilay Kocak
On 21/12/2013 1:24 AM, John Marino wrote:
 On 12/20/2013 15:09, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
 I appreciate the distinction, and I agree with your premises. Setting a
 high standard is not in question.
 
 Thanks.
 
 If your aim however, is to change or influence others, and you'll grant
 that not everyone can know all there is to know about the values and
 behaviours we espouse in advance, then a reply guiding (read: leading)
 those individuals in the right direction would likely prove more
 effective than what was perhaps just a symptom of frustration.
 
 At the beginning of the thread, I used the gcc developer list as an
 actual example.  If anyone posst an inappropriate topic to the list, it
 may get answered, but it will always get a this is not appropriate for
 this list, please don't do it again, use the  list for this next
 time.  I can imagine it's a slight put-off for brand new users but it
 is effective.  People make a mistake once, and after that they do the
 right thing.  Since they are publicly corrected, you can imagine they
 educate dozens of people *before* they can make the same mistake.

Delivery matters, more than people think, or recognize.

corrected - developed, enlightened, tutored, polished
policing - maintaining high quality

It *is* possible to set assertive, clear expectations and have a
positive interaction that sets the tone for the rest of a users experience.

 So I'm talking about policing the list consistently.

 If you don't feel up to taking on that role, then maybe unsubscribing is
 the way to go, though I hope its not as you have a lot of value to add.
 
 I had to try, but I suspected this thread would go the way of NetBSD
 (Much discussion, zero net effect) and so far it has.  I expect this
 topic to die down soon and I'll unsubscribe around new years eve, since
 two weeks seems to be the ports grace period. :)
 John

Seek and you shall find. Confirmation bias perhaps. :)


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Re: vlc 2.1.2,4

2013-12-20 Thread Ajtim
On Friday 20 December 2013 06:18:24 you wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I don't know what is different but previous update of 2.1.1,4 which I had 
 problem to built (QT4 plugin) to version 2.1.1_1,4 works and version 
 2.1.1_2,4 works too but todays update doesn't works again:
 
 GEN  ../modules/plugins.dat
 gmake[4]: *** [../modules/plugins.dat] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/vlc/work/vlc-2.1.2/bin'
 gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/vlc/work/vlc-2.1.2'
 gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2
 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/vlc/work/vlc-2.1.2'
 === Compilation failed unexpectedly.
 Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes and rebuild before reporting the failure to
 the maintainer.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop.
 make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/multimedia/vlc
 *** Error code 1
 
 I don't know what is going wrong...it works...it doesn't.
 
 

It missed vlc-notify.patch. With this patch it build on my FreeBSD 10.0-RC2.

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--- Makefile	(revision 335948)
+++ Makefile	(working copy)
@@ -167,7 +167,8 @@
 NLS_USES=		gettext
 NLS_CONFIGURE_ENABLE=	nls
 
-NOTIFY_LIB_DEPENDS=	libnotify.so:${PORTSDIR}/devel/libnotify
+NOTIFY_LIB_DEPENDS=	libnotify.so:${PORTSDIR}/devel/libnotify \
+			libgtk-x11-2.0.so:${PORTSDIR}/x11-toolkits/gtk20
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Re: ports/181836

2013-12-20 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
El 20/12/2013 15:50, Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org escribió:

 Hi,

 It was suggested to me that I ask this question here.

 Per http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=181836

 An issue in the FreeBSD port of smartmontools was fixed on
 21-November, yet an update containing that fix has not yet propagated
 through the ports system.

 What needs to happen for an updated port to be distributed?

It needs to catch the attention of a ports committer.


 Thank you.

 Jay B.

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Re: ports/181836

2013-12-20 Thread Rodrigo Osorio

Hi, 

Ask/harass someone to commit the patch and bump PORTREVISION ... That's all.

- regard

On 20/12/13 09:49 -0500, Jay Borkenhagen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 It was suggested to me that I ask this question here.
 
 Per http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=181836
 
 An issue in the FreeBSD port of smartmontools was fixed on
 21-November, yet an update containing that fix has not yet propagated
 through the ports system.
 
 What needs to happen for an updated port to be distributed?
 
 Thank you.
 
   Jay B.
 
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Can someone please commit ports/183905

2013-12-20 Thread Michael Gmelin
It's super trivial.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/183905

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Re: ports/181836

2013-12-20 Thread Jay Borkenhagen
Thanks, Rodrigo (and Fernando as well).

Have I come to the right place to find someone who can and will do
that kind of thing?



Rodrigo Osorio writes:
  
  Hi, 
  
  Ask/harass someone to commit the patch and bump PORTREVISION ... That's all.
  
  - regard
  
  On 20/12/13 09:49 -0500, Jay Borkenhagen wrote:
   Hi,
   
   It was suggested to me that I ask this question here.
   
   Per http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=181836
   
   An issue in the FreeBSD port of smartmontools was fixed on
   21-November, yet an update containing that fix has not yet propagated
   through the ports system.
   
   What needs to happen for an updated port to be distributed?
   
   Thank you.
   
  Jay B.
   
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Re: ports/181836

2013-12-20 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
El 20/12/2013 17:26, Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org escribió:

 Thanks, Rodrigo (and Fernando as well).

 Have I come to the right place to find someone who can and will do
 that kind of thing?

IMHO, freebsd-ports@ is the proper place. Let's see if some committer reads
your message.




 Rodrigo Osorio writes:
  
   Hi,
  
   Ask/harass someone to commit the patch and bump PORTREVISION ...
That's all.
  
   - regard
  
   On 20/12/13 09:49 -0500, Jay Borkenhagen wrote:
Hi,
   
It was suggested to me that I ask this question here.
   
Per http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=181836
   
An issue in the FreeBSD port of smartmontools was fixed on
21-November, yet an update containing that fix has not yet propagated
through the ports system.
   
What needs to happen for an updated port to be distributed?
   
Thank you.
   
   Jay B.
   
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Re: Can someone please commit ports/183905

2013-12-20 Thread William Grzybowski
Hi,

Committed.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Michael Gmelin free...@grem.de wrote:

 It's super trivial.

 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/183905

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Re: Can someone please commit ports/183905

2013-12-20 Thread Michael Gmelin
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:29:09 -0200
William Grzybowski willia...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Committed.
 
 

Thank you.

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:17:21AM +1100, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
 On 20/12/2013 10:32 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  In other words, as a new user
  I thought of sending a PR as
  a last resort, because I doubted
  myself a lot more than the
  stability of FreeBSD and the
  expertise of the team.
  The actual tools to submit a PR
  were never an obstacle.
 
 This.
 
 If you don't *get* what Anton just said, read it again until you do.
 
 I don't know about the rest of you, but I am that user too. A
 @FreeBSD.org email, commit bit and still a new user that doubts myself
 sometimes and looks to the team for the right thing to do.

I got what Anton said, and it's irrelevant to what I said before that.
I take the same approach, except that it usually never gets to the last
resort phase of submitting a PR because it's much easier to seek help
in IRC channels I frequent with knowledgeable people in them, and when
*that* is exhausted I *still* don't want to use the PR system, because
it sucks so badly.

The PR system sucks.  That's the problem I was pointing out.  Yes, the
approach of triple-checking to make sure it's not you who's at fault,
and of using questions@ instead of ports@ to seek help, is good.  No,
that doesn't mean the PR system is easy to use.

I also think that people who post nothing but a dump log to ports@ are
Doing It Wrong and should be gently encouraged to do things differently,
and I doubt that making problem reports easier than send-pr will affect
the kinds of people who think that ports@ is a good place for dump logs
with no explanation very much, but that doesn't mean the PR system
doesn't need help.

I'm glad something is being done about the PR system.  I'm grateful to
those making the changes.  Making comments to the effect that there's
nothing wrong with the PR system when many people obviously find it
daunting and discouraging to attempt to use it -- that comes off like a
dismissal of the very people who can contribute real value by alerting
port maintainers and committers to the fact there are potentially
unnoticed issues.

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:30:09PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
 
 I think train wreck applies more to sendmail than send-pr.  Sendmail
 dates back to long-ago pre-Internet days where computer users didn't
 send email to other computer users.  Now a computer user needs to be
 able to send through ISP's SMTP server.

I think the fact one needs, by default, to have sendmail set up before
one can use send-pr is a problem with send-pr as well.

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Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

2013-12-20 Thread Eitan Adler
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chad Perrin c...@apotheon.net wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:30:09PM +, Thomas Mueller wrote:

 I think train wreck applies more to sendmail than send-pr.  Sendmail
 dates back to long-ago pre-Internet days where computer users didn't
 send email to other computer users.  Now a computer user needs to be
 able to send through ISP's SMTP server.

 I think the fact one needs, by default, to have sendmail set up before
 one can use send-pr is a problem with send-pr as well.

[ bugmeister@ hat off ]

I think just about everyone doesn't like send-pr / GNATS.  We *are*
working to move towards bugzilla.  In fact I think a few test emails
may have leaked. ;)

The question is what to do in the meantime.  Merely sending the build
log an no additional context (revision of ports tree, what other ports
were being installed, etc.) is not useful either as a PR or as an
email.  In either case this forces the
maintainer/developer/contributor to email back and ask for more
details.  We *do* have documents explaining the needed information but
they are long and probably confusing.  A simple one paragraph here is
the information we need when you send a bug report is a good idea.

That said, assuming you are providing enough details, a PR is the most
helpful as it allows us at least some rudimentary level of tracking.
Emails shouldn't be ignored, but also shouldn't be the first resort
for bug reports either.
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Re: x11/fbpanel: pkg fallout at 10.x

2013-12-20 Thread Koop Mast

On 20-12-2013 15:00, John Marino wrote:

On 12/20/2013 14:54, Boris Samorodov wrote:

20.12.2013 10:58, Baptiste Daroussin пишет:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:42:38AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:
gtk2 pkgconfig file is not adding -lX11 to LDFLAGS anymore.
In general: on FreeBSD 10+, the ld(1) behaviour has been changed so that it does
not recursively get the DT_NEEDED from libraries it linked binaries to.
Meaning in that case something exposes a X function to fbpanel, but does not
tell it is needs to link to X11

/usr/bin/ld: �: invalid DSO for symbol `XChangeGC' definition
//usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value

LDFLAGS+= -lX11 should solve this.

I've seen some similar commit at the portstree. The problem is: I can't
reproduce the errors (hence can't test a fix).

I've recently seen dozens of similar, new errors on dports/dragonfly.
It's definitely a pkgconf issue and it just appeared.
I haven't tracked it done yet, but adding LDFLAGS+= to every broken port
is not ideal.  It's better to figure out which .pc file is broken and
fix that.

John


Should be fixed now, I restored the old behaviour.

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Re: x11/fbpanel: pkg fallout at 10.x

2013-12-20 Thread Boris Samorodov
21.12.2013 01:20, Koop Mast пишет:
 On 20-12-2013 15:00, John Marino wrote:
 On 12/20/2013 14:54, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 20.12.2013 10:58, Baptiste Daroussin пишет:
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:42:38AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 gtk2 pkgconfig file is not adding -lX11 to LDFLAGS anymore.
 In general: on FreeBSD 10+, the ld(1) behaviour has been changed so that 
 it does
 not recursively get the DT_NEEDED from libraries it linked binaries to.
 Meaning in that case something exposes a X function to fbpanel, but does 
 not
 tell it is needs to link to X11
 /usr/bin/ld: �: invalid DSO for symbol `XChangeGC' definition
 //usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
 LDFLAGS+= -lX11 should solve this.
 I've seen some similar commit at the portstree. The problem is: I can't
 reproduce the errors (hence can't test a fix).
 I've recently seen dozens of similar, new errors on dports/dragonfly.
 It's definitely a pkgconf issue and it just appeared.
 I haven't tracked it done yet, but adding LDFLAGS+= to every broken port
 is not ideal.  It's better to figure out which .pc file is broken and
 fix that.
 
 Should be fixed now, I restored the old behaviour.

Thank you!

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Re: x11/fbpanel: pkg fallout at 10.x

2013-12-20 Thread John Marino
On 12/20/2013 22:20, Koop Mast wrote:
 On 20-12-2013 15:00, John Marino wrote:
 On 12/20/2013 14:54, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 20.12.2013 10:58, Baptiste Daroussin пишет:
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:42:38AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 gtk2 pkgconfig file is not adding -lX11 to LDFLAGS anymore.
 In general: on FreeBSD 10+, the ld(1) behaviour has been changed so
 that it does
 not recursively get the DT_NEEDED from libraries it linked binaries to.
 Meaning in that case something exposes a X function to fbpanel, but
 does not
 tell it is needs to link to X11
 /usr/bin/ld: �: invalid DSO for symbol `XChangeGC' definition
 //usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
 LDFLAGS+= -lX11 should solve this.
 I've seen some similar commit at the portstree. The problem is: I can't
 reproduce the errors (hence can't test a fix).
 I've recently seen dozens of similar, new errors on dports/dragonfly.
 It's definitely a pkgconf issue and it just appeared.
 I haven't tracked it done yet, but adding LDFLAGS+= to every broken port
 is not ideal.  It's better to figure out which .pc file is broken and
 fix that.

 John
 
 Should be fixed now, I restored the old behaviour.

Hmm, I fixed it differently.  I waited until now until the partial bulk
build completed, which confirmed the fix worked.  The attached
Makefile.DragonFly has been present for months, but the diff to the
Makefile is what was missing which caused a bad .pc file generation.

After adding the one line to the makefile and in addition to the changes
in Makefile.DragonFly, all the broken ports built.
John
--- Makefile.orig   2013-12-20 16:29:25.910469000 +
+++ Makefile
@@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ post-patch:
@${FIND} ${WRKSRC} -name Makefile.in | ${XARGS} ${GREP} -l lgmodule | 
\
${XARGS} ${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|-lgmodule|@GMODULE_LIBS@|g'
@${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|[{]libdir[}]/locale|{datadir}/locale|g' \
+   -e 's|GTK_PACKAGES pangoft2|GTK_PACKAGES x11 pangoft2|' \
${WRKSRC}/configure
@${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|@LN_S@|${LN} -sf|' ${WRKSRC}/gtk/Makefile.in
@${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|file,cups|file,cups,lpr|' \
USE_XORG+=  pixman

LIB_DEPENDS+=   png15:${PORTSDIR}/graphics/png
LIB_DEPENDS+=   freetype.9:${PORTSDIR}/print/freetype2
LIB_DEPENDS+=   fontconfig:${PORTSDIR}/x11-fonts/fontconfig
LIB_DEPENDS+=   cairo:${PORTSDIR}/graphics/cairo
LIB_DEPENDS+=   expat:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/expat2
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