Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[LuKreme]

On Feb 7, 2018, at 20:06, Michelle Sullivan  wrote:
> Just saying telling people not to call the product the same as the trademark 
> if there are any changes to the product is the way to protect the trademark.

But is there a trademark? It seems not from an earlier post.

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committer for snuffleupagus update

[Franco Fichtner]

Hi all,

See: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225593


Thank you,
Franco
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Re: FreeBSD Port: transmission-remote-gui-5.0.1_13

[Walter Schwarzenfeld]

opened a PR

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225747

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FreeBSD Port: transmission-remote-gui-5.0.1_13

[Alex V. Petrov]

After update Lazarus:

Free Pascal Compiler version 3.0.4 [2018/02/01] for x86_64
Copyright (c) 1993-2017 by Florian Klaempfl and others
Warning: (11053) The selected debug format is not supported on the
current target, not changing the current setting
(1002) Target OS: FreeBSD for x86-64
(3104) Compiling transgui.lpr
(3104) Compiling baseform.pas
(3104) Compiling vargrid.pas
(3104) Compiling varlist.pas
/usr/ports/net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui/work/TransGUI/vargrid.pas(543,7)
Error: (5000) Identifier not found "UTF8UpperCase"
/usr/ports/net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui/work/TransGUI/vargrid.pas(549,10)
Error: (5000) Identifier not found "UTF8UpperCase"
vargrid.pas(1460) Fatal: (10026) There were 2 errors compiling module,
stopping
Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
Error: /usr/local/bin/ppcx64 returned an error exitcode
Error: (lazarus) Compile Project, Target: units/transgui: stopped with
exit code 256
Error: (lazbuild) failed compiling of project
/usr/ports/net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui/work/TransGUI/transgui.lpi
*** Error code 2

Stop.
make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/ports/net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui

===>>> make build failed for net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui
===>>> Aborting update

===>>> Update for net-p2p/transmission-remote-gui failed
===>>> Aborting update
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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Michelle Sullivan]

Dave Horsfall wrote:

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Michelle Sullivan wrote:

The reaction to the repo in question is also very weird to me, and 
possibly what worries me the most. He is hurting his own trademarked 
(heh) product by doing this.


Quite the opposite.  He has done the right thing to protect his 
trademark.


There's a difference between gently pointing out to a volunteer that 
they are not complying with the terms of the licence and could they 
please fix it, and being an arrogant prick with said volunteer and 
acting like a scum-sucking bottom-feeding lawyer (as if there's any 
other sort).


Oddly enough, I find that I get better results from volunteers when I 
ask them to do something, instead of ordering them around like an 
arse-hat boss.


Oh not disputing that or the tone.  Just saying telling people not to 
call the product the same as the trademark if there are any changes to 
the product is the way to protect the trademark.


Michelle

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Dave Hayes]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 20:18:48 -0600
Jake Roberts  wrote:
> Does Pale Moon do anything that something like Otter doesn't?

I have never used Pale Moon. I just saw a comment and am truly curious
as to where it's coming from. :)

Perhaps at this point, to balance the sentiment against pale
moon, someone knowledgeable about it should engage in some advocacy as
to why Pale Moon is something to use?  
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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Jake Roberts]

Does Pale Moon do anything that something like Otter doesn't?

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:22 PM, Dave Hayes  wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 02:42:12 +0300
> Rozhuk Ivan  wrote:
> > Such a reaction is not appropriate for educated people.
>
> Are you actually implying that modern education somehow
> teaches emotional stability?
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>  *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* 
>
> Politeness and telling the truth are, to your certain
> knowledge and mine, often opposites. Any society which
> enjoins its members to adhere to both of these is a
> fraud. All sorts of compromise formula have been devised to
> gloss over or obscure this basic weakness. It remains
> nonetheless.
>
> This is not an exhortation to abandon politeness or telling
> the truth. It is a statement which has to be carefully
> thought about.
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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Dave Hayes]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 02:42:12 +0300
Rozhuk Ivan  wrote:
> Such a reaction is not appropriate for educated people.

Are you actually implying that modern education somehow
teaches emotional stability? 
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Politeness and telling the truth are, to your certain
knowledge and mine, often opposites. Any society which
enjoins its members to adhere to both of these is a
fraud. All sorts of compromise formula have been devised to
gloss over or obscure this basic weakness. It remains
nonetheless.

This is not an exhortation to abandon politeness or telling
the truth. It is a statement which has to be carefully
thought about.
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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Rozhuk Ivan]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 02:18:28 -0700
LuKreme  wrote:

> Huh. I would have nuked the port after about the 5th post in that
> thread. You’re a very patient person, and Matt is... well. I can’t
> say anything nice, so...
> 

The reaction of the community (OpenBSD) is more like a emotional baiting:
all just attacked a defenseless victim who dared to pick up words inaccurately.
No one read further than the first message, but everyone condemns.
Many do not even use the palemoon.
Such a reaction is not appropriate for educated people.

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Dave Horsfall]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Michelle Sullivan wrote:

The reaction to the repo in question is also very weird to me, and 
possibly what worries me the most. He is hurting his own trademarked 
(heh) product by doing this.


Quite the opposite.  He has done the right thing to protect his 
trademark.


There's a difference between gently pointing out to a volunteer that they 
are not complying with the terms of the licence and could they please fix 
it, and being an arrogant prick with said volunteer and acting like a 
scum-sucking bottom-feeding lawyer (as if there's any other sort).


Oddly enough, I find that I get better results from volunteers when I ask 
them to do something, instead of ordering them around like an arse-hat 
boss.


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Re: Error 8192 with phpldapadmin

[Matthew Seaman]

On 07/02/2018 21:09, Carmel NY wrote:
> Name   : phpldapadmin
> Version: 1.2.3_7,1
> 
> Name   : php72
> Version: 7.2.2
> 
> 
> Recently, "phpldapadmin" has started throwing an error message as
> shown below:
> 
> Unrecognized error number: 8192: Function create_function() is deprecated
> 
> How can I go about correcting this error? Googling did not reveal a
> positive method.

The phpldapadmin codebase has not seen significant work for some years
now.  This is a symptom of that neglect -- the code has not been adapted
to upstream changes in php.  At the moment despite being self-described
as an 'error', this is really no more than a warning, and you can pretty
much ignore it for now.

You might have a better experience with web2ldap:

https://www.web2ldap.de/web2ldap.html

which I have heard good things about, although I have not used it myself.

Cheers,

Matthew





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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Dave Horsfall]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote:

My $dayjob is with a company that makes open-source software which we 
redistribute under the MPL.  I've shared that link with our team as an 
example of the absolute wrong way to go about engaging with the 
community.


Back when I was active in Toastmasters (that's the "DTM" in my signature) 
and training people, I found that having examples of what *not* to do were 
more effective; people tended to remember them e.g. "The Radio Ham" is 
essential viewing for anyone who is involved in emergency communications 
(that's the "VK2KFU" in my signature).


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Re: Error 8192 with phpldapadmin

[jim]

http://php.net/manual/en/function.create-function.php

On Feb 7, 2018, 4:10 PM -0500, Carmel NY , wrote:
> Name : phpldapadmin
> Version : 1.2.3_7,1
>
> Name : php72
> Version : 7.2.2
>
>
> Recently, "phpldapadmin" has started throwing an error message as shown below:
>
> Unrecognized error number: 8192: Function create_function() is deprecated
>
> How can I go about correcting this error? Googling did not reveal a positive
> method.
>
> --
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Error 8192 with phpldapadmin

[Carmel NY]

Name   : phpldapadmin
Version: 1.2.3_7,1

Name   : php72
Version: 7.2.2


Recently, "phpldapadmin" has started throwing an error message as shown below:

Unrecognized error number: 8192: Function create_function() is deprecated

How can I go about correcting this error? Googling did not reveal a positive
method.

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Michelle Sullivan]

Andreas Andersson wrote:

Not saying we should keep this in ports tree and keep using the name. Just
stating that there is nothing he could do about it unless he registers the
trademark and get's it registered (varumärkesskyddat in swedish.).

The reaction to the repo in question is also very weird to me, and possibly
what worries me the most. He is hurting his own trademarked (heh) product
by doing this.


Quite the opposite.  He has done the right thing to protect his trademark.

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Andreas Andersson]

So, moonchild (that's his actual name (or tilltalsnamn in swedish) ) might
own the trademark. But atleast Swedish trademark laws
https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/varumarkeslag-20101877_sfs-2010-1877
grants usage to other parties as long as "other parties" does not make
money off of the name or the product. For him to actually enforce this it
has to be registered by the swedish PRV http://www.prv.se and subsequently
worldwide  by wipo. I've looked through PRVs database and nor does a search
on his name, full name or the variations of pale moon turn up any results
in a search.

Not saying we should keep this in ports tree and keep using the name. Just
stating that there is nothing he could do about it unless he registers the
trademark and get's it registered (varumärkesskyddat in swedish.).

The reaction to the repo in question is also very weird to me, and possibly
what worries me the most. He is hurting his own trademarked (heh) product
by doing this.

2018-02-07 10:28 GMT+01:00 Kurt Jaeger :

> Hi!
>
> > > After your recent harassment of OpenBSD
> > > (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to
> > > investigate our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also
> > > building against system libraries. You can review our build log
> > > here:
> >
> > Huh. I would have nuked the port after about the 5th post in that
> > thread.
>
> While I'm also surprised about the interpretation of the open
> source spirit, I'm also a very satisfied palemoon user right now,
> after the latest firefox changes. So I'm happy that we try to
> keep palemoon, even if we call it newmoon 8-}
>
> If there's something I can do to help (test etc), I'll try...
>
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RE: FreeBSD Port: nagvis-1.8.5_1

[Brandon McCorkle]

It seems to have built with one change.  After running the patch both of these 
files were zero bytes and make complained:

patch-share_server_core_classes_objects_NagVisService.php
patch-share_server_core_ext_php_gettext.php

Deleting them the allowed the port to be built.   I haven't got any further on 
trying to get it running yet.



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Jaeger [mailto:li...@opsec.eu] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:07 PM
To: Brandon McCorkle 
Cc: de...@vei.ru; po...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: nagvis-1.8.5_1

Hi!

> Unfortunately, that's a little beyond my skillset and I'm also trying 
> to use it with Icinga2 and the DB IDO backend or I'd try to give you a 
> hand.  It looks like the port is setup for Nagios or at least 
> Livestatus with Icinga2?

I've prepared a patch, see

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225705

Can you test that patch ? I tried to mail to the maintainer, but I got a 
bounced mail ?

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FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date

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Re: Package depending on any one of multiple FLAVORS

[Matthew Seaman]

On 06/02/2018 10:43, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote:

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Matthew Seaman wrote:


This is down to a deficiency in pkg(8) -- it can't handle having a
number of alternate packages or ranges of different package versions to
fulfil a dependency.  The dependencies "baked into" each package are on
exactly the dependency package and version used at compilation time.


This feels a lot like what I was just asking about, as well.  Are there 
plans for this dependency to be addressed in the future?  My brief 
combing of the wiki didn't find any kind of a roadmap or anything like 
that.


Well, this is one of about three wide-ranging changes to the ports that 
are currently in play.  That is: Flavours, Sub-packages and Variable 
dependencies.  I believe the plan is to implement them in that order -- 
so Flavours has landed now, but there's a lot of work ongoing to apply 
it everywhere it is needed.  There's a code review up for sub-packages, 
but that project is still in the very early stages.  Variable 
dependencies will probably happen sometime after all that.  It needs a 
bunch of code changes in pkg(8) and then a lot of wide-ranging changes 
in the ports tree itself.


So, don't get too excited just yet...

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Kurt Jaeger]

Hi!

> > After your recent harassment of OpenBSD
> > (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to
> > investigate our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also
> > building against system libraries. You can review our build log
> > here:
> 
> Huh. I would have nuked the port after about the 5th post in that
> thread.

While I'm also surprised about the interpretation of the open
source spirit, I'm also a very satisfied palemoon user right now,
after the latest firefox changes. So I'm happy that we try to
keep palemoon, even if we call it newmoon 8-}

If there's something I can do to help (test etc), I'll try...

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[LuKreme]

On Feb 6, 2018, at 15:21, Mark Felder  wrote:
> 
> After your recent harassment of OpenBSD 
> (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to investigate 
> our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also building against 
> system libraries. You can review our build log here:

Huh. I would have nuked the port after about the 5th post in that thread. 
You’re a very patient person, and Matt is... well. I can’t say anything nice, 
so...

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Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

[Peter Jeremy]

On 2018-Feb-06 22:32:46 -0800, "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)"  wrote:
>My $dayjob is with a company that makes open-source software which we 
>redistribute under the MPL.  I've shared that link with our team as an 
>example of the absolute wrong way to go about engaging with the community.

Most definitely.  I notice that Palemoon claims to be "free software" and
links to https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html as a definition of "free
software".  One of the "four essential freedoms" listed on that page is "The
freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3)"
- and it is precisely the exercise of that "freedom" that Matt A. Tobin is
objecting to.

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