Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:08:48 +0200 (CEST), Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote They are not included in flightgear-data, so I'll add them to the new flightgear-aircrafts port. The patch has been committed, thanks for your help :) Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:53:11 +0200, Alexey Shuvaev wrote Hi Alexey, I don't know which aircraft are in the base package (flightgear-data), but IMHO: * harrier : British Aerospace Harrier is something known and interesting (vertical takeoff/landing), * il2 : Ilyoushin IL-2 is also quite famous WWII attack plane and * wrightFlyer1903 : 1903 Wright Flyer is must have :) They are not included in flightgear-data, so I'll add them to the new flightgear-aircrafts port. Thanks for your feedback, Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On 17 Oct 2011 10:09, Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:53:11 +0200, Alexey Shuvaev wrote Hi Alexey, I don't know which aircraft are in the base package (flightgear-data), but IMHO: * harrier : British Aerospace Harrier is something known and interesting (vertical takeoff/landing), * il2 : Ilyoushin IL-2 is also quite famous WWII attack plane and * wrightFlyer1903 : 1903 Wright Flyer is must have :) They are not included in flightgear-data, so I'll add them to the new flightgear-aircrafts port. Thanks for your feedback, If you haven't committed it yet, can you please drop the 's' from aircraft? Chris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On 17/10/2011 15:10, Chris Rees wrote: On 17 Oct 2011 10:09, Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:53:11 +0200, Alexey Shuvaev wrote Hi Alexey, I don't know which aircraft are in the base package (flightgear-data), but IMHO: * harrier : British Aerospace Harrier is something known and interesting (vertical takeoff/landing), * il2 : Ilyoushin IL-2 is also quite famous WWII attack plane and * wrightFlyer1903 : 1903 Wright Flyer is must have :) They are not included in flightgear-data, so I'll add them to the new flightgear-aircrafts port. Thanks for your feedback, If you haven't committed it yet, can you please drop the 's' from aircraft? I guess he meant the new version, as the games/flightgear-aircrafts port itself has been around since 2005. http://www.freshports.org/games/flightgear-aircrafts/ Cheers, Luchesar ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:10:26 +0100, Chris Rees wrote Hi Chris, If you haven't committed it yet, can you please drop the 's' from aircraft? Yep, I am aware of that typo (Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com has previously reported that in a previous mail) ; it's on my TODO list. Once the limited aircraft list is committed (and 9.0 released), I'll ask for a repocopy from : games/flightgear-aircrafts = games/flightgear-aircraft I'll then change PORTNAME. Meanwhile, my awaiting patch already includes COMMENT/pkg-descr fixes. Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On 17/10/2011 15:16, Luchesar V. ILIEV wrote: On 17/10/2011 15:10, Chris Rees wrote: On 17 Oct 2011 10:09, Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:53:11 +0200, Alexey Shuvaev wrote Hi Alexey, I don't know which aircraft are in the base package (flightgear-data), but IMHO: * harrier : British Aerospace Harrier is something known and interesting (vertical takeoff/landing), * il2 : Ilyoushin IL-2 is also quite famous WWII attack plane and * wrightFlyer1903 : 1903 Wright Flyer is must have :) They are not included in flightgear-data, so I'll add them to the new flightgear-aircrafts port. Thanks for your feedback, If you haven't committed it yet, can you please drop the 's' from aircraft? I guess he meant the new version, as the games/flightgear-aircrafts port itself has been around since 2005. Oops, sorry, haven't realized it wasn't quite correct. :) L. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On 17 Oct 2011 13:17, Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:10:26 +0100, Chris Rees wrote Hi Chris, If you haven't committed it yet, can you please drop the 's' from aircraft? Yep, I am aware of that typo (Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com has previously reported that in a previous mail) ; it's on my TODO list. Once the limited aircraft list is committed (and 9.0 released), I'll ask for a repocopy from : games/flightgear-aircrafts = games/flightgear-aircraft I'll then change PORTNAME. Meanwhile, my awaiting patch already includes COMMENT/pkg-descr fixes. Best regards, Thank you! Chris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:29:32 +0200 (CEST), Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote Hi Everyone, I've established a first selection by following the main aircraft page : http://www.flightgear.org/download/aircraft-v2-4/ and removing alpha/beta/experimental/early-production planes. I'll try to shorten this list one way or another and come back with a limited aircraft list. If somebody wants a plane to be added to it, just tell me : I'll update it. I'll try to work on that ASAP, but I am currently very busy, so don't expect any change before a few weeks. Following my previous post, here is a selection of planes I've made. They will remain available in the flightgear-aircrafts port, any other plane will be removed and will have to be installed manually : * 737-200_20110713.zip : Boeing 737-200 * A-10_20110629.zip : Fairchild A-10 * A300_20101217.zip : Airbus A300 * Alouette-II_20110523.zip : Alouette II * Alphajet_20110228.zip : Dassault/Dornier Alphajet * B-17_20110516.zip : Boeing B17 * Breguet-XIX_20101217.zip : Breguet XIX * C130_20101217.zip : C130 Hercules * Caravelle_20101217.zip : Caravelle * Caudron-G3_20101217.zip : Caudron G.III * F80C_20101217.zip : Lockheed F-80C Shooting Star * Hurricane_20110815.zip : Hawker Hurricane IIb * Lightning_20110705.zip : English Electric Lightning F.1A * Lockheed1049h_1.0.zip : Lockheed 1049H Super Constellation * Messerschmitt-P1101_20101217.zip : Messerschmitt Me P1101 * MirageIII_20110124.zip : Mirage IIING * PaperAirplane_20110103.zip : Paper airplane * Pond-Racer_20101217.zip : Rutan Pond Racer * R44_20110523.zip : Robinson R44 * Spitfire_20110705.zip : Supermarine Spitfire * Stieglitz_20101217.zip : Focke Wulf FW44 Stiegltz * Super-Etendard_20110324.zip : Dassault-Breguet Super Etendard * Supermarine-S.6B_20110118.zip : Supermarine S6B * Superwal_20101217.zip : Dornier Superwal * airwaveXtreme150_20101217.zip : Airwave Xtreme 150 hang glider * asw20_20101217.zip : ASW-20 sailplane * bf109_20110629.zip : Messerschmitt BF-109 G14 * c310_20110113.zip : Cessna 310 * dhc3_20110411.zip : DHC 3 Otter * f16_20110629.zip : General Dynamics F-16 * pa24-250_20110222.zip : Piper Comanche 250 * tu154_20101217.zip : Tupolev 154 This (now very limited) list includes every plane in the 'production' state, as well as well-known or seemingly interesting ones (no devel, beta, alpha, or pre-production ones). I have also tried to keep a wide variety of planes available. This list will make the port maintainable again. Anyway, it is far from perfect ; also, if a plane is missing, do not hesitate to contact me : I'll just add it. I'll commit the changes within 15 days if there is no complaint about this list. Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 09:14:46AM +0200, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:29:32 +0200 (CEST), Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote Hi Everyone, I've established a first selection by following the main aircraft page : http://www.flightgear.org/download/aircraft-v2-4/ and removing alpha/beta/experimental/early-production planes. I'll try to shorten this list one way or another and come back with a limited aircraft list. If somebody wants a plane to be added to it, just tell me : I'll update it. I'll try to work on that ASAP, but I am currently very busy, so don't expect any change before a few weeks. Following my previous post, here is a selection of planes I've made. They will remain available in the flightgear-aircrafts port, any other plane will be removed and will have to be installed manually : * 737-200_20110713.zip : Boeing 737-200 * A-10_20110629.zip : Fairchild A-10 * A300_20101217.zip : Airbus A300 * Alouette-II_20110523.zip : Alouette II * Alphajet_20110228.zip : Dassault/Dornier Alphajet * B-17_20110516.zip : Boeing B17 * Breguet-XIX_20101217.zip : Breguet XIX * C130_20101217.zip : C130 Hercules * Caravelle_20101217.zip : Caravelle * Caudron-G3_20101217.zip : Caudron G.III * F80C_20101217.zip : Lockheed F-80C Shooting Star * Hurricane_20110815.zip : Hawker Hurricane IIb * Lightning_20110705.zip : English Electric Lightning F.1A * Lockheed1049h_1.0.zip : Lockheed 1049H Super Constellation * Messerschmitt-P1101_20101217.zip : Messerschmitt Me P1101 * MirageIII_20110124.zip : Mirage IIING * PaperAirplane_20110103.zip : Paper airplane * Pond-Racer_20101217.zip : Rutan Pond Racer * R44_20110523.zip : Robinson R44 * Spitfire_20110705.zip : Supermarine Spitfire * Stieglitz_20101217.zip : Focke Wulf FW44 Stiegltz * Super-Etendard_20110324.zip : Dassault-Breguet Super Etendard * Supermarine-S.6B_20110118.zip : Supermarine S6B * Superwal_20101217.zip : Dornier Superwal * airwaveXtreme150_20101217.zip : Airwave Xtreme 150 hang glider * asw20_20101217.zip : ASW-20 sailplane * bf109_20110629.zip : Messerschmitt BF-109 G14 * c310_20110113.zip : Cessna 310 * dhc3_20110411.zip : DHC 3 Otter * f16_20110629.zip : General Dynamics F-16 * pa24-250_20110222.zip : Piper Comanche 250 * tu154_20101217.zip : Tupolev 154 This (now very limited) list includes every plane in the 'production' state, as well as well-known or seemingly interesting ones (no devel, beta, alpha, or pre-production ones). I have also tried to keep a wide variety of planes available. This list will make the port maintainable again. Anyway, it is far from perfect ; also, if a plane is missing, do not hesitate to contact me : I'll just add it. I don't know which aircraft are in the base package (flightgear-data), but IMHO: * harrier : British Aerospace Harrier is something known and interesting (vertical takeoff/landing), * il2 : Ilyoushin IL-2 is also quite famous WWII attack plane and * wrightFlyer1903 : 1903 Wright Flyer is must have :) I'll commit the changes within 15 days if there is no complaint about this list. Thanks for taking care if the port! Alexey (with 0.03 air$). ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:56:21 +0200, Alexey Shuvaev wrote
Hi Alexey,
Thanks for your answer,
I have not looked what is needed to install new aircraft as a
user, but it it would be something against the habbits of a
typical FreeBSD user. At least I would certainly forget to
update an aircraft installed this way...
You would just have to copy data files to
${PREFIX}/share/flightgear/Aircraft/. Simple but not convenient, I agree.
From my experiency a while ago, the quality of the aircraft
models varied greatly from model to model. I remember, there
was some transition from one simulation engine to another more
advanced one (JSBsim - YASim or vice versa?). For example,
some WW II planes were able to perfom back loop in the
simulator, which is a non-sense... So, my 0.02$ is if you
are somewhat familiar with at least some of aircraft, you can
chose those which are mature enough (such as default Cessna
172).
From another point of view, you are the maintainer of the port,
so it is up to you to decide (according to your personal
prefereces) which aircraft to include in the port. If somebody
lacks his favorite aircraft, he is free to create another
aircraft add-on port, after all...
I've established a first selection by following the main aircraft page :
http://www.flightgear.org/download/aircraft-v2-4/
and removing alpha/beta/experimental/early-production planes. I'll try
to shorten this list one way or another and come back with a limited
aircraft list. If somebody wants a plane to be added to it, just tell me
: I'll update it.
I'll try to work on that ASAP, but I am currently very busy, so don't
expect any change before a few weeks.
Best regards,
--
Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org
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Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
As for me, I have played fgfs some time ago (5 years?), so... On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 08:21:24PM +0200, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:38:33 -0400, Greg Larkin wrote You can also break them by first letter of the distfile names, combining where appropriate. [...] This would not solve any problems with the port, only add troubles for the end-user. On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:57:58 -0400, Robert Huff wrote my first reaction was to break it into broad categories. For example: aircraft-required aircraft-25-most-popular aircraft-civilian-prop [...] On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:58:03 +0200, Guido Falsi wrote A civialian-aerobatic category could be sensible. [...] Greg, Robert, Guido, thanks for your suggestions ; anyway, this would not solve one of the problems : maintainability of the port :/ Well, this depends, how many aircraft would go into each of categories. See below... On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:11:39 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote #2 is reasonable, IMO. Other options, like breaking it up into multiple ports, would not make it easier to maintain and might be more difficult for users. Warren, I agree with you : it would make the port even more complex. From a maintainer port of view, we will still have to keep up-to-date with those 350+ zip files which regularly change upstream, but will now have to deal with sorting them and updating several different ports. From a user point of view, it would also be a pain : users would have to browse into each category ports to be able to get all the planes they need. I am not sure this is the right way to go :/ I would also vote for #2, or, if we can get a limited list of good airplanes, option #1. I will try to find if I can get a list of top planes on FLightGear website, but I have not seen such a page so far. I have not looked what is needed to install new aircraft as a user, but it it would be something against the habbits of a typical FreeBSD user. At least I would certainly forget to update an aircraft installed this way... (Note: aircraft is both singular and plural, so the port name really should be just flightgear-aircraft.) Thanks, I'll fix its name if we can manage to keep this port alive :) From my experiency a while ago, the quality of the aircraft models varied greatly from model to model. I remember, there was some transition from one simulation engine to another more advanced one (JSBsim - YASim or vice versa?). For example, some WW II planes were able to perfom back loop in the simulator, which is a non-sense... So, my 0.02$ is if you are somewhat familiar with at least some of aircraft, you can chose those which are mature enough (such as default Cessna 172). From another point of view, you are the maintainer of the port, so it is up to you to decide (according to your personal prefereces) which aircraft to include in the port. If somebody lacks his favorite aircraft, he is free to create another aircraft add-on port, after all... HTH, Alexey. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
About games/flightgear-aircrafts
Hi list, As you may know, games/flightgear-aircrafts is *HUGE*, way too big to be useable and buildable correctly, and, as a maintainer, a real pain to update. Today, if you just need one airplane from flightgear-aircrafts, you would have to download 350+ airplanes and more than 2 GB of data, which makes no sense at all. We have to get rid of that. I am thinking of two options : 1) providing only a subset of available airplanes (i.e. *not* every single airplane available on the FTP servers). This would be nice, but requires to set up a list of the best planes to include (top 30 best planes ?), and that list may not be the one every single user would have established. 2) removing the port and consider users have to install additional planes *manually*. After all, those airplanes are only addons ; limiting the ports to flightgear + flightgear-data, which already ship with several airplanes, does not seem crazy to me. A third option would have been to provide the full list of available airplanes but only select a few of them through OPTIONS, but I'd like to avoid going this way : this will not simplify the port at all, it will only make it harder to maintain as the OPTIONS list will be huge, and (maybe ?) pointless for the end-user. Flightgear users, I would go for option 2), but what do *you* think ? Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On 22 Sep 2011 09:11, Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org wrote: Hi list, As you may know, games/flightgear-aircrafts is *HUGE*, way too big to be useable and buildable correctly, and, as a maintainer, a real pain to update. Today, if you just need one airplane from flightgear-aircrafts, you would have to download 350+ airplanes and more than 2 GB of data, which makes no sense at all. We have to get rid of that. I am thinking of two options : 1) providing only a subset of available airplanes (i.e. *not* every single airplane available on the FTP servers). This would be nice, but requires to set up a list of the best planes to include (top 30 best planes ?), and that list may not be the one every single user would have established. 2) removing the port and consider users have to install additional planes *manually*. After all, those airplanes are only addons ; limiting the ports to flightgear + flightgear-data, which already ship with several airplanes, does not seem crazy to me. A third option would have been to provide the full list of available airplanes but only select a few of them through OPTIONS, but I'd like to avoid going this way : this will not simplify the port at all, it will only make it harder to maintain as the OPTIONS list will be huge, and (maybe ?) pointless for the end-user. Flightgear users, I would go for option 2), but what do *you* think ? 4) add-on ports? Chris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:03:38AM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: On 22 Sep 2011 09:11, Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org wrote: Hi list, As you may know, games/flightgear-aircrafts is *HUGE*, way too big to be useable and buildable correctly, and, as a maintainer, a real pain to update. Today, if you just need one airplane from flightgear-aircrafts, you would have to download 350+ airplanes and more than 2 GB of data, which makes no sense at all. We have to get rid of that. I am thinking of two options : 1) providing only a subset of available airplanes (i.e. *not* every single airplane available on the FTP servers). This would be nice, but requires to set up a list of the best planes to include (top 30 best planes ?), and that list may not be the one every single user would have established. 2) removing the port and consider users have to install additional planes *manually*. After all, those airplanes are only addons ; limiting the ports to flightgear + flightgear-data, which already ship with several airplanes, does not seem crazy to me. A third option would have been to provide the full list of available airplanes but only select a few of them through OPTIONS, but I'd like to avoid going this way : this will not simplify the port at all, it will only make it harder to maintain as the OPTIONS list will be huge, and (maybe ?) pointless for the end-user. Flightgear users, I would go for option 2), but what do *you* think ? 4) add-on ports? yes, this seems to be the case with latex, works fine. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:07:40 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote Chris, Anton, Thanks for your feedback. 4) add-on ports? yes, this seems to be the case with latex, works fine. I am not sure to understand what you mean exactly. Could you be more precise ? -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/22/11 5:28 AM, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:07:40 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote Chris, Anton, Thanks for your feedback. 4) add-on ports? yes, this seems to be the case with latex, works fine. I am not sure to understand what you mean exactly. Could you be more precise ? I'm not familiar with the flightgear and latex ports, but it appears that latex is structured with a base port and a number of ports for add-ons. Have a look at the output of ls -ld /usr/ports/print/latex-*, and you'll see the add-on ports. If you can break the flightgear airplanes (or subsets of airplanes) into a number of add-on ports, that would be one way to avoid the huge download problem, as well as an excessive number of OPTIONS in the base port. Of course, the add-on port idea assumes that airplanes can be downloaded individually in some fashion. Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk57L6gACgkQ0sRouByUApD7eQCfQ2y2n8/ZzabCc3sSdzV/xGQE 90EAnjD8bvcVs4Zea6hNK2AooO3ezvGf =sh/Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:52:56 -0400, Greg Larkin wrote Hi Greg, [...] If you can break the flightgear airplanes (or subsets of airplanes) into a number of add-on ports, that would be one way to avoid the huge download problem, as well as an excessive number of OPTIONS in the base port. Of course, the add-on port idea assumes that airplanes can be downloaded individually in some fashion. Thanks for this explanation. I had thought about that option too, but the same questions as my first solution remain : what should be the list of the available ports ? I really have no idea here : any craft may be interesting to players. Also, if this list could be established, why not keep a single port (which would then be *a lot* easier to maintain) ? To sum um, in my opinion, there are in really 2 options : 1) Limit the port to a few selected aircrafts = (either in one port or split) 2) Remove the port I can go for 1), but I would need help to establish the list of aircrafts you'd like... :p Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 01:35:48PM +0200, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:43:47 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote Hi Anton, print/teTeX is quite old. However, it's a critical port for many people, and there is no easy update or replacement (tex-live work is ongoing, I think). So, rather than updating the whole of teTeX, hrs@ has been adding new (or newer) latex packages as separate add-on ports, e.g. print/latex-nomencl or print/latex-chapterfolder. This way, user who need newer latex features, can easily get them, still within the ports framework. Others, who only need the core of latex, do not need to install those add-on ports, e.g. textproc/docproj-jadetex. Thanks for this clarification. In my opinion, games/flightgear-aircrafts can already been considered as an addon port : none of the aircrafts installed by this port is mandatory to have the game run correctly. The main problem I face is that several distfiles change regularly, and keeping a list of 350+ aircrafts distfiles up-to-date within a single port is a real pain. The other problem is being able to provide the distfiles for a longer time than the official mirrors do : it would require to set up an additional mirror to collect them all and it would require a lot of space to do so. So, if I understand correctly, your 4th suggestion would be to split this huge port up into single aircraft ones ? If yes, the same question remains : what should be the list of selected ports ? And if this list should be limited to, say, 30 ports, why not provide them in a single port (which would then be a lot easier to maintain) ? sorry, no idea. My point was just that sometimes it's easier to split a large port into a smaller core, and several add-on ports. Best regards, PS : ports@ not included in your previous answer, is it voluntary ? just forgot -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/22/11 9:13 AM, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:52:56 -0400, Greg Larkin wrote Hi Greg, [...] If you can break the flightgear airplanes (or subsets of airplanes) into a number of add-on ports, that would be one way to avoid the huge download problem, as well as an excessive number of OPTIONS in the base port. Of course, the add-on port idea assumes that airplanes can be downloaded individually in some fashion. Thanks for this explanation. I had thought about that option too, but the same questions as my first solution remain : what should be the list of the available ports ? I really have no idea here : any craft may be interesting to players. Also, if this list could be established, why not keep a single port (which would then be *a lot* easier to maintain) ? To sum um, in my opinion, there are in really 2 options : 1) Limit the port to a few selected aircrafts = (either in one port or split) 2) Remove the port I can go for 1), but I would need help to establish the list of aircrafts you'd like... :p Best regards, I don't use flightgear, so others would have a better opinion than me about how to partition the airplane ports. Is there a forum on the upstream distro site where you could ask? You can also break them by first letter of the distfile names, combining where appropriate. An analysis of the number of distfiles per first letter of the filename yields: 2 1 7 16 a 35 b 30 c 30 d 29 e 5 f 28 g 5 h 18 i 2 j 9 k 8 l 17 m 22 n 6 o 4 p 22 q 1 r 10 s 32 t 8 u 2 v 7 w 1 x 2 y 3 z 2 You could combine some letters together and make a bunch of add-on ports with ~30 planes per port. Regards, Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk57OlkACgkQ0sRouByUApCD7wCguk8h/fk1QKuBP1kW6B+b4ebo C2sAn2krZJC5wtQpq1AZk5MDpoEIZ9dj =fgl+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On 9/22/2011 9:38 AM, Greg Larkin wrote: I don't use flightgear, so others would have a better opinion than me about how to partition the airplane ports. Is there a forum on the upstream distro site where you could ask? You can also break them by first letter of the distfile names, combining where appropriate. An analysis of the number of distfiles per first letter of the filename yields: 2 1 7 16 a 35 b 30 c 30 d 29 e 5 f 28 g 5 h 18 i 2 j 9 k 8 l 17 m 22 n 6 o 4 p 22 q 1 r 10 s 32 t 8 u 2 v 7 w 1 x 2 y 3 z 2 You could combine some letters together and make a bunch of add-on ports with ~30 planes per port. I don't use this program either, but my first reaction was to break it into broad categories. For example: aircraft-required aircraft-25-most-popular aircraft-civilian-prop aircraft-civilian-jet aircraft-military-prop aircraft-military-jet Other categories may suggest themselves to those more familiar with the game. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote: 1) providing only a subset of available airplanes (i.e. *not* every single airplane available on the FTP servers). This would be nice, but requires to set up a list of the best planes to include (top 30 best planes ?), and that list may not be the one every single user would have established. 2) removing the port and consider users have to install additional planes *manually*. After all, those airplanes are only addons ; limiting the ports to flightgear + flightgear-data, which already ship with several airplanes, does not seem crazy to me. A third option would have been to provide the full list of available airplanes but only select a few of them through OPTIONS, but I'd like to avoid going this way : this will not simplify the port at all, it will only make it harder to maintain as the OPTIONS list will be huge, and (maybe ?) pointless for the end-user. Flightgear users, I would go for option 2), but what do *you* think ? #2 is reasonable, IMO. Other options, like breaking it up into multiple ports, would not make it easier to maintain and might be more difficult for users. (Note: aircraft is both singular and plural, so the port name really should be just flightgear-aircraft.) ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:57:58AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: I don't use this program either, but my first reaction was to break it into broad categories. For example: aircraft-required aircraft-25-most-popular aircraft-civilian-prop aircraft-civilian-jet aircraft-military-prop aircraft-military-jet Other categories may suggest themselves to those more familiar with the game. A civialian-aerobatic category could be sensible. Also, a distinction between turbo-prop and piston engine craft could make sense. Turbo props and piston engines are very different categories in aviation and should appeal to rather different players and simulator use cases. -- Guido Falsi m...@madpilot.net ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About games/flightgear-aircrafts
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:38:33 -0400, Greg Larkin wrote You can also break them by first letter of the distfile names, combining where appropriate. [...] On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:57:58 -0400, Robert Huff wrote my first reaction was to break it into broad categories. For example: aircraft-required aircraft-25-most-popular aircraft-civilian-prop [...] On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:58:03 +0200, Guido Falsi wrote A civialian-aerobatic category could be sensible. [...] Greg, Robert, Guido, thanks for your suggestions ; anyway, this would not solve one of the problems : maintainability of the port :/ On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:11:39 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote #2 is reasonable, IMO. Other options, like breaking it up into multiple ports, would not make it easier to maintain and might be more difficult for users. Warren, I agree with you : it would make the port even more complex. From a maintainer port of view, we will still have to keep up-to-date with those 350+ zip files which regularly change upstream, but will now have to deal with sorting them and updating several different ports. From a user point of view, it would also be a pain : users would have to browse into each category ports to be able to get all the planes they need. I am not sure this is the right way to go :/ I would also vote for #2, or, if we can get a limited list of good airplanes, option #1. I will try to find if I can get a list of top planes on FLightGear website, but I have not seen such a page so far. (Note: aircraft is both singular and plural, so the port name really should be just flightgear-aircraft.) Thanks, I'll fix its name if we can manage to keep this port alive :) Best regards, -- Ganael LAPLANCHE ganael.laplan...@martymac.org http://www.martymac.org | http://contribs.martymac.org FreeBSD: martymac marty...@freebsd.org, http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
