Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-28 Thread Patrick Powell 

On 10/26/16 03:56, David Demelier wrote:

On 10/26/2016 09:32 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is
no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious
problem so far. Or then I missed something.

Approx. 20 years ago (?), some FreeBSD developer with a old-style
logo on a t-shirt was asked to leave some saloon in Texas
because the logo suggested that they worship the antichrist.

Brilliant ! :-)

There was a job (in rec.humor.funny?) about it 8-}

That's why this reference to the demon logo is made 8-}



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I have an autographed T Shirt by the artist -  Phil Foglio.  Who also 
did the artwork for the MythAdventures (Graphic Novel) as well as 
others.  When asked for an update at one of the San Diego Comic Cons,  
he just laughed hysterically and then politely said 'No!'


See http://www.studiofoglio.com/ for examples of his work.

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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-26 Thread David Demelier 

On 10/26/2016 09:32 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is
no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious
problem so far. Or then I missed something.

Approx. 20 years ago (?), some FreeBSD developer with a old-style
logo on a t-shirt was asked to leave some saloon in Texas
because the logo suggested that they worship the antichrist.

Brilliant ! :-)

There was a job (in rec.humor.funny?) about it 8-}

That's why this reference to the demon logo is made 8-}



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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-26 Thread Bob Eager 
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:32:55 +0200
Kurt Jaeger  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> > I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is
> > no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious
> > problem so far. Or then I missed something.  
> 
> Approx. 20 years ago (?), some FreeBSD developer with a old-style
> logo on a t-shirt was asked to leave some saloon in Texas
> because the logo suggested that they worship the antichrist.
> 
> There was a job (in rec.humor.funny?) about it 8-}
> 
> That's why this reference to the demon logo is made 8-}
> 

http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html
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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-26 Thread Kurt Jaeger 
Hi!

> I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is
> no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious
> problem so far. Or then I missed something.

Approx. 20 years ago (?), some FreeBSD developer with a old-style
logo on a t-shirt was asked to leave some saloon in Texas
because the logo suggested that they worship the antichrist.

There was a job (in rec.humor.funny?) about it 8-}

That's why this reference to the demon logo is made 8-}

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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-26 Thread David Demelier 
2016-10-25 22:57 GMT+02:00 Dave Horsfall :
> Have you seen the FreeBSD home page?

Well, I thought the OP was talking about the logo [0], not the home
web page. Anyway, I think comparing religious and offensive content a
bit offtopic.

I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is
no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious
problem so far. Or then I missed something.

Regards,

[0]: https://www.freebsd.org/fr/logo.html (why the english version
does not have them?)

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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-25 Thread Dave Horsfall 
On Tue, 25 Oct 2016, David Demelier wrote:

> I'm a bit surprised to see so much traffic about the jive removal.

I'm not :-)

> I personally don't care about offensive software, users are free to not 
> use it (sudo may have funny insults, disabled by default though). 
> Perhaps marking it broken because it's offensive was inappropriate.

Which was the whole point of the argument.

> However bapt pointed out some valuable reasons, the software is not 
> maintained and has no more distfiles available and this was a good 
> reason for being removed.

So once the *technical* requirements have been met (as opposed to 
someone's delicate sensibilities being offended), it's OK to bring it 
back?

Could be tricky, though, as the sources were posted to USENET some time in 
the 80s...

> And the daemon logo is a ball for several years now, not really a daemon 
> anymore. :)

Have you seen the FreeBSD home page?

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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-25 Thread Vitaly Magerya 
> can anyone in
> this thread explain why misc/jive is considered offensive and removed

I'd like to extend the question: is there a new policy about "offensive"
ports not being allowed in the ports tree any longer? If so, could
someone point me to it?

If not, then, well, I don't know what to say. You leave me very
confused. Was the removal arbitrary? Is someone working on updating
ports tree policies?
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Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-25 Thread David Demelier 
2016-10-24 20:21 GMT+02:00 Dave Hayes :
> On 10/23/2016 19:10, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
>>
>> In a mail thread about jive that finding is very mature 8-}
>
>
> Speaking of maturity and attempting to add consistency, can anyone in this
> thread explain why misc/jive is considered offensive and removed, but the
> FreeBSD daemon logo (on the main web page) is left there ... even though
> there are numerous searchable stories about that image being offensive to
> some religious people?
>
> Thank you for your cogent reply. :)

I'm a bit surprised to see so much traffic about the jive removal.

I personally don't care about offensive software, users are free to
not use it (sudo may have funny insults, disabled by default though).
Perhaps marking it broken because it's offensive was inappropriate.
However bapt pointed out some valuable reasons, the software is not
maintained and has no more distfiles available and this was a good
reason for being removed.

And the daemon logo is a ball for several years now, not really a
daemon anymore. :)

Regards,

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Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-24 Thread Dave Hayes 

On 10/23/2016 19:10, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

In a mail thread about jive that finding is very mature 8-}


Speaking of maturity and attempting to add consistency, can anyone in 
this thread explain why misc/jive is considered offensive and removed, 
but the FreeBSD daemon logo (on the main web page) is left there ... 
even though there are numerous searchable stories about that image being 
offensive to some religious people?


Thank you for your cogent reply. :)
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