Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. snip A bit of FAQ: Q: There is problem with pkg-plist. A: Yes, I know about that. The reason why I leave complete @dirrm in the pkg-plist, so that way I can comparing what's the most common @dirrm for I can create matehier (like gnomehier). Q: When will MATE ports merge into FreeBSD ports tree. A: Even thought if I finished everything with MATE. It won't be merged into FreeBSD ports tree unless I get more people to help me with the MATE project. Right now, I am only a person that work on MATE. I prefer to be least three people. I have been getting emails about when MATE will be merged into ports tree. My FAQ above still stands, because I don't have much of time for FreeBSD right now (since two months so far). I will not put MATE in the ports tree when I can't give a good promise to keep maintain it. I have been thinking about put MATE in my github to allow anyone to fork, pull request and etc. You even can take and maintain it if you want to. It's below than public domain as I don't care about the credit in any of ports that I created. BTW: MATE 1.6 is going to be change with the dependencies if they keep on target with their roadmap. It's very good changes. http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/roadmap .. It might be make port GNOME 2 apps to MATE pointless with that kind of changes. It's just a guess, so I might be wrong or right. Cheers, Mezz Q: If there is problem, where do I report to? Send a PR? A: Please no PR. I hate GNATS, but we should use it when MATE merges into FreeBSD ports tree though. For now, just send me an email or gn...@freebsd.org. Q: Does MATE conflicts with GNOME 2/3? A: No, it's complete parallel even in the ~/.* too. Q: Why you won't check on GDM? A: Because it's a GNOME applications and I do not want to install any extra dependency. :-) But if MATE folks fork the GDM and yes I will work on it. Q: Is it easy to use MATE with GDM? A: I think it should be easy as MATE does provide session files. I think GDM will pick up that session and add in the list for which desktop you want to log in. Q: Does the http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html works for MATE? A: Yes, most of them. Same goes for HAL: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html Cheers, Mezz -- mezz.free...@gmail.com - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org -- mezz.free...@gmail.com - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like MATE is gathering steam. I saw that Fedora is switching from Gnome3 to MATE Are you sure? Can you point me to announce, e-mail in mailing list or something like that? Not the messages like now MATE available for Fedora, but Fedora prefers MATE over Gnome3 or MATE is the default DE for Fedora replacing Gnome3, or something like that. Reason: Fedora is RedHat project. Gnome3 driven by RedHat people mostly. Therefore, Fedora switches from Gnome to MATE essencially would to mean RedHat switches has focus from Gnome to MATE that would to mean Gnome loses the major supporter and driving force. Therefore: please, point me to the source of your Fedora is switching from Gnome3 to MATE statement or be more accurate in citing and/or interpretation. MATE proposed to inclusion into Fedora 18 absolutelly not equal to MATE replaces Gnome3 in in Fedora 18 nor Fedora 18 switches from Gnome3 to MATE. -- Andrew W. Nosenko andrew.w.nose...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko andrew.w.nose...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like MATE is gathering steam. I saw that Fedora is switching from Gnome3 to MATE Are you sure? Can you point me to announce, e-mail in mailing list or something like that? Not the messages like now MATE available for Fedora, but Fedora prefers MATE over Gnome3 or MATE is the default DE for Fedora replacing Gnome3, or something like that. Reason: Fedora is RedHat project. Gnome3 driven by RedHat people mostly. Therefore, Fedora switches from Gnome to MATE essencially would to mean RedHat switches has focus from Gnome to MATE that would to mean Gnome loses the major supporter and driving force. Therefore: please, point me to the source of your Fedora is switching from Gnome3 to MATE statement or be more accurate in citing and/or interpretation. MATE proposed to inclusion into Fedora 18 absolutelly not equal to MATE replaces Gnome3 in in Fedora 18 nor Fedora 18 switches from Gnome3 to MATE. -- Andrew W. Nosenko andrew.w.nose...@gmail.com http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop It reads to me like MATE is planned for 18, but I will concede that I may be reading too much into it. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. The MATE base list can be viewed at http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/building . I will add more applications that are in the 'Extras' list that will be in the x11/mate (doesn't exist as now). snip The x11/mate has been created. I want anyone to keep in mind about that I am deaf. I have no idea if the sound works or not, so feel free to report and I will see what I can do with it. Cheers, Mezz -- mezz.free...@gmail.com - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. The MATE base list can be viewed at http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/building . I will add more applications that are in the 'Extras' list that will be in the x11/mate (doesn't exist as now). snip The x11/mate has been created. I want anyone to keep in mind about that I am deaf. I have no idea if the sound works or not, so feel free to report and I will see what I can do with it. Thanks, Mezz! Looks like MATE is gathering steam. I saw that Fedora is switching from Gnome3 to MATE while Mint had previously announced the same thing. (But then, Mint was largely born of dislike of the Gnome based Unity desktop in Ubuntu.) I'm trying to gather the courage to give it a try. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Jeremy Messenger wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. ... ... To get it, you will need to grab marcusmerge script from http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/marcusmerge then run 'sh marcusmerge -m ports-experimental'. Doug Barton responded: This is a great example of where a ports projects/ branch in svn would be very helpful. :) I agree, either projects/, experimental/, wip/ or something like that for a testing branch. NetBSD pkgsrc has a pkgsrc-wip (Work In Progress) branch separate from pkgsrc tree, at pkgsrc-wip.sourceforge.net FreeBSD users could then try out testing/beta versions of ports and give feedback. Tom ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On 7/27/12 3:44 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. snip A bit of FAQ: Q: There is problem with pkg-plist. A: Yes, I know about that. The reason why I leave complete @dirrm in the pkg-plist, so that way I can comparing what's the most common @dirrm for I can create matehier (like gnomehier). Q: When will MATE ports merge into FreeBSD ports tree. A: Even thought if I finished everything with MATE. It won't be merged into FreeBSD ports tree unless I get more people to help me with the MATE project. Right now, I am only a person that work on MATE. I prefer to be least three people. Q: If there is problem, where do I report to? Send a PR? A: Please no PR. I hate GNATS, but we should use it when MATE merges into FreeBSD ports tree though. For now, just send me an email or gn...@freebsd.org. Q: Does MATE conflicts with GNOME 2/3? A: No, it's complete parallel even in the ~/.* too. Q: Why you won't check on GDM? A: Because it's a GNOME applications and I do not want to install any extra dependency. :-) But if MATE folks fork the GDM and yes I will work on it. Q: Is it easy to use MATE with GDM? A: I think it should be easy as MATE does provide session files. I think GDM will pick up that session and add in the list for which desktop you want to log in. Q: Does the http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html works for MATE? A: Yes, most of them. Same goes for HAL: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html Here's another QA for you. Is MATE compatible with GNOME 2 such that I can link my GNOME 2 apps to MATE libraries? Will MATE include links for GNOME 2 libraries? If not, could it? Okay, those were three questions. I think you see where I'm going. If we wanted to yank GNOME 2 out in favor of MATE, how difficult would it be? I'm not saying we would or that we're ready. I'm just testing the waters. Joe -- PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Joe Marcus Clarke mar...@marcuscom.com wrote: On 7/27/12 3:44 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. snip A bit of FAQ: Q: There is problem with pkg-plist. A: Yes, I know about that. The reason why I leave complete @dirrm in the pkg-plist, so that way I can comparing what's the most common @dirrm for I can create matehier (like gnomehier). Q: When will MATE ports merge into FreeBSD ports tree. A: Even thought if I finished everything with MATE. It won't be merged into FreeBSD ports tree unless I get more people to help me with the MATE project. Right now, I am only a person that work on MATE. I prefer to be least three people. Q: If there is problem, where do I report to? Send a PR? A: Please no PR. I hate GNATS, but we should use it when MATE merges into FreeBSD ports tree though. For now, just send me an email or gn...@freebsd.org. Q: Does MATE conflicts with GNOME 2/3? A: No, it's complete parallel even in the ~/.* too. Q: Why you won't check on GDM? A: Because it's a GNOME applications and I do not want to install any extra dependency. :-) But if MATE folks fork the GDM and yes I will work on it. Q: Is it easy to use MATE with GDM? A: I think it should be easy as MATE does provide session files. I think GDM will pick up that session and add in the list for which desktop you want to log in. Q: Does the http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html works for MATE? A: Yes, most of them. Same goes for HAL: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html Here's another QA for you. Is MATE compatible with GNOME 2 such that I can link my GNOME 2 apps to MATE libraries? Will MATE include links for GNOME 2 libraries? If not, could it? MATE API is compatible with GNOME 2 only if you rename stuff in the GNOME 2 apps source code. http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/migrating https://github.com/benpicco/mate-scripts I didn't do much of homework on this part yet at some point though, so can't really give a 100% answer. Only thing that I have noticed error in the script is that they had gdm - mdm, which the mdm does not exist. Maybe it did, but not today. Okay, those were three questions. I think you see where I'm going. If we wanted to yank GNOME 2 out in favor of MATE, how difficult would it be? I'm not saying we would or that we're ready. I'm just testing the waters. We will find out when we start to dive into this step. :-) Cheers, Mezz Joe -- PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc -- mezz.free...@gmail.com - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
snip Finally got mate-utils ported that has screenshot app. Here's two screenshots. It's what it looks like for default of MATE Desktop. It looks pretty much same with GNOME 2 beside that background and probably themes. http://people.freebsd.org/~mezz/freebsd-mate0.png http://people.freebsd.org/~mezz/freebsd-mate1.png I know I will need to add a patch to change the words in the about dialog. BTW: About ten MATE extras ports left to be ported then it's complete to have x11/mate available. Cheers, Mezz ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Jeremy Messenger wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. ... ... To get it, you will need to grab marcusmerge script from http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/marcusmerge then run 'sh marcusmerge -m ports-experimental'. This is a great example of where a ports projects/ branch in svn would be very helpful. :) Doug -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short. Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. The MATE base list can be viewed at http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/building . I will add more applications that are in the 'Extras' list that will be in the x11/mate (doesn't exist as now). To get it, you will need to grab marcusmerge script from http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/marcusmerge then run 'sh marcusmerge -m ports-experimental'. To update it: - - sh marcusmerge -U - Update your ports tree by using csup or other method. -sh marcusmerge -u -m ports-experimental - To run MATE desktop: /etc/rc.conf: - dbus_enable=YES hald_enable=YES avahi_daemon_enable=YES avahi_dnsconfd_enable=YES - ~/.xinitrc: - exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch mate-session - If you want to use login manager. I only have tested it with x11/slim so far. I do not plan to test it with GDM, so feel free to test and fix on your own. To get x11/slim works.. /etc/rc.conf: - dbus_enable=YES hald_enable=YES avahi_daemon_enable=YES avahi_dnsconfd_enable=YES slim_enable=YES - ~/.xinitrc: - exec mate-session - While I am here. I did some work on port LightDM to FreeBSD, but there is a problem with our x11/xorg-server (/usr/local/bin/X) is missing some function that LightDM needs like 'X -novtswitch' and probably other more. I have tried to add -novtswitch and it got me to the login screen, but it doesn't let me to log in with my password for some reasons. I will clean up the x11/lightdm and pass on to anyone that who want to finish it (got bored with it for me when I found x11/slim). Please continue to read to the bottom. Cheers, Mezz -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeremy Messenger m...@marcuscom.com Date: Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM Subject: [marcuscom-devel] cvs commit: ports-experimental/x11/mate-base Makefile pkg-descr pkg-message pkg-plist To: marcuscom-de...@marcuscom.com mezz2012-07-27 17:37:20 UTC MarcusCom CVS repository Added files: x11/mate-baseMakefile pkg-descr pkg-message pkg-plist Log: This metaport installs only MATE base (lite, a lean desktop) with file manager without any of extra applications. If you want to have the most common user MATE applications, please install the x11/mate metaport. It was copied from the pkg-descr as we don't have the x11/mate yet, but we will. The version is 1.4. However, I have decided to add mate-base because it is stable compare to 1.2. The only error that I am getting is: dbus[1377]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type=method_call, sender=:1.13 (uid=1001 pid=1602 comm=caja ) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties member=GetAll error name=(unset) requested_reply=0 destination=:1.2 (uid=0 pid=1520 comm=/usr/local/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ) I don't know what it is, but it looks like it doesn't affect function to use MATE. I haven't test the mount/umount yet, so it probably affects on that part or not. Revision ChangesPath 1.1 +34 -0 ports-experimental/x11/mate-base/Makefile (new) 1.1 +21 -0 ports-experimental/x11/mate-base/pkg-descr (new) 1.1 +8 -0 ports-experimental/x11/mate-base/pkg-message (new) 1.1 +1 -0 ports-experimental/x11/mate-base/pkg-plist (new) ___ marcuscom-de...@marcuscom.com mailing list http://www.marcuscom.com/mailman/listinfo/marcuscom-devel To unsubscribe, send any mail to marcuscom-devel-unsubscr...@marcuscom.com -- mezz.free...@gmail.com - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: MATE 'base' desktop is ready for anyone to test it.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jeremy Messenger mezz.free...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The MATE base desktop (x11/mate-base) is ready to use and test. The MATE base is a very lite and lean desktop. snip A bit of FAQ: Q: There is problem with pkg-plist. A: Yes, I know about that. The reason why I leave complete @dirrm in the pkg-plist, so that way I can comparing what's the most common @dirrm for I can create matehier (like gnomehier). Q: When will MATE ports merge into FreeBSD ports tree. A: Even thought if I finished everything with MATE. It won't be merged into FreeBSD ports tree unless I get more people to help me with the MATE project. Right now, I am only a person that work on MATE. I prefer to be least three people. Q: If there is problem, where do I report to? Send a PR? A: Please no PR. I hate GNATS, but we should use it when MATE merges into FreeBSD ports tree though. For now, just send me an email or gn...@freebsd.org. Q: Does MATE conflicts with GNOME 2/3? A: No, it's complete parallel even in the ~/.* too. Q: Why you won't check on GDM? A: Because it's a GNOME applications and I do not want to install any extra dependency. :-) But if MATE folks fork the GDM and yes I will work on it. Q: Is it easy to use MATE with GDM? A: I think it should be easy as MATE does provide session files. I think GDM will pick up that session and add in the list for which desktop you want to log in. Q: Does the http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html works for MATE? A: Yes, most of them. Same goes for HAL: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html Cheers, Mezz -- mezz.free...@gmail.com - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
