Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
In response to Jeffrey Goldberg jeff...@goldmark.org: I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports list. I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists. I would like to set up multiple instances of Mailman on a FreeBSD 7- STABLE system with using Postfix. Looking at the ports Makefile, it appears that if I set MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/domain-for-this-instance everything should work file (plus add FORCE_PACKAGE_REGISTER allow this second instance to be installed.) Were it me, I'd add jails to the system. Then you can install a separate copy of mailman in each jail. This will keep them happily independent of each other. That's obviously not the only way to get what you want, just my suggestion. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 11:40:47 Bill Moran wrote: In response to Jeffrey Goldberg jeff...@goldmark.org: I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports list. I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists. I would like to set up multiple instances of Mailman on a FreeBSD 7- STABLE system with using Postfix. Looking at the ports Makefile, it appears that if I set MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/domain-for-this-instance everything should work file (plus add FORCE_PACKAGE_REGISTER allow this second instance to be installed.) Were it me, I'd add jails to the system. Then you can install a separate copy of mailman in each jail. This will keep them happily independent of each other. That's obviously not the only way to get what you want, just my suggestion. And mine. FORCE_PKG_REGISTER abuse will hurt you sooner or later. If you must, then set PKG_DBDIR, PORT_DBDIR and PREFIX correctly. But things get much easier if you use seperate jails and a postfix in mailhub mode on the main IP if you have only one incoming IP. -- Mel ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 13:55:18 -0500 Jeffrey Goldberg jeff...@goldmark.org
wrote:
I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports
list. I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists.
But when I do
% cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman
% sudo make -DMM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org -
DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install
It just installs in the default location, /usr/local/mailman
This could be a really stupid question (because I've never tried to
do what you're doing), but shouldn't the above line be:
$ sudo make MM_DIR=/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org
In other words, don't you have to provide the *absolute* patch to
the install location?
No. Reading the Makefile it is clear that MM_DIR is relative to $PREFIX
The default setting in the Makefile is
MM_DIR?= mailman
And later on there is a
MAILMANDIR= ${PREFIX}/${MM_DIR}
With MAILMANDIR being the absolute install directory.
The problem is, I'm not exactly sure *where* you want mailman to
install, so it's hard to be correct without more information.
Mailman (under normal defaults) installs in various directories under
/usr/local/mailman
The python for all of the CGIs lives in
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman
and the programs that an administrator might run on the command line
live in
/usr/local/mailmain/bin
And there are various other directories for queues and logs and data
and per list configurations and such
I want to have instances installed in
/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/site1
/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/site2
/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/site3
Cheers,
-j
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Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
--On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 13:55:18 -0500 Jeffrey Goldberg jeff...@goldmark.org wrote: I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports list. I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists. I would like to set up multiple instances of Mailman on a FreeBSD 7- STABLE system with using Postfix. Looking at the ports Makefile, it appears that if I set MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/domain-for-this-instance everything should work file (plus add FORCE_PACKAGE_REGISTER allow this second instance to be installed.) But when I do % cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman % sudo make -DMM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org - DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install It just installs in the default location, /usr/local/mailman And this paradoxical report of various settings $ sudo make MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org - This could be a really stupid question (because I've never tried to do what you're doing), but shouldn't the above line be: $ sudo make MM_DIR=/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org In other words, don't you have to provide the *absolute* patch to the install location? In addition, I would think you would need to change PREFIX as well for the port to install where you want it to. So, ISTM, you should be doing this: $ sudo make PREFIX=/usr/local/mailman/vhost/lists.wilson-pta.org -DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install rather than trying to set MM_DIR. Note you may *also* have to set MM_DIR, but I'm almost certain you need to set PREFIX if you want the port to install there instead of /usr/local/mailman. The problem is, I'm not exactly sure *where* you want mailman to install, so it's hard to be correct without more information. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 12 August 2009 11:40:47 Bill Moran wrote: Were it me, I'd add jails to the system. [...] That's obviously not the only way to get what you want, just my suggestion. And mine. Thank you and Bill for the jail suggestion. I've never played with jails, as I really only have one public IP address available. FORCE_PKG_REGISTER abuse will hurt you sooner or later. I am living in fear of that. If you must, then set PKG_DBDIR, PORT_DBDIR and PREFIX correctly. I don't understand the Package and Port databases well enough to actually set them correctly, so I do suspect that I am causing trouble for myself this way. But things get much easier if you use seperate jails and a postfix in mailhub mode on the main IP if you have only one incoming IP. Ah. I hadn't thought of that. I do only have one IP. I hadn't realized that I could set up private addresses on the same host. Would the postfix on the main IP be able to run scripts that are on individual jails? If not, I'd have to set up a listening postfix in each jail which would accept mail forwarded to it only from the main IP. For outgoing mail, mailman can talk SMTP to a remote mail server. Another point of confusion with jails is that the HTTP interface for mailman would need to be on the public IP, but would need to access the appropriate mailman data that live within jails. So I really think that unless I can do full jails, each with their own SMTP and HTTP daemons on their own public IPs, this would be very complicated to maintain. But I am only guessing here as I don't really know what can and can't be done easily with jails. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:41:19 -0500
Jeffrey Goldberg jeff...@goldmark.org wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 13:55:18 -0500 Jeffrey Goldberg
jeff...@goldmark.org
wrote:
I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports
list. I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists.
But when I do
% cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman
% sudo make -DMM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org -
DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install
It just installs in the default location, /usr/local/mailman
This could be a really stupid question (because I've never tried to
do what you're doing), but shouldn't the above line be:
$ sudo make MM_DIR=/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org
In other words, don't you have to provide the *absolute* patch to
the install location?
No. Reading the Makefile it is clear that MM_DIR is relative to $PREFIX
The default setting in the Makefile is
MM_DIR?= mailman
And later on there is a
MAILMANDIR= ${PREFIX}/${MM_DIR}
With MAILMANDIR being the absolute install directory.
The problem is, I'm not exactly sure *where* you want mailman to
install, so it's hard to be correct without more information.
Mailman (under normal defaults) installs in various directories under
/usr/local/mailman
The python for all of the CGIs lives in
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman
and the programs that an administrator might run on the command line
live in
/usr/local/mailmain/bin
And there are various other directories for queues and logs and data
and per list configurations and such
I want to have instances installed in
/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/site1
/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/site2
/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/site3
Cheers,
-j
--
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Can you not just ( cp -r /usr/local/mailman /path/to/vhost/staging ) edit some
of the paths and then just host it. How many of the files are you actually
required to edit ?. If this will be a continual process it might be better off
to rsync your master mailman directory to all the separate vhosts obviously
skipping configs and list directories and then scripting out the exact changes
you need to make up creation of a new vhost.
Best regards.
:wq
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Re: Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 12 August 2009 11:40:47 Bill Moran wrote: Were it me, I'd add jails to the system. [...] That's obviously not the only way to get what you want, just my suggestion. And mine. Thank you and Bill for the jail suggestion. I've never played with jails, as I really only have one public IP address available. You could assign each jail an RFC 1918 private address and perform NAT for them on the host system. I do this with PF and it works like a charm. -Boris FORCE_PKG_REGISTER abuse will hurt you sooner or later. I am living in fear of that. If you must, then set PKG_DBDIR, PORT_DBDIR and PREFIX correctly. I don't understand the Package and Port databases well enough to actually set them correctly, so I do suspect that I am causing trouble for myself this way. But things get much easier if you use seperate jails and a postfix in mailhub mode on the main IP if you have only one incoming IP. Ah. I hadn't thought of that. I do only have one IP. I hadn't realized that I could set up private addresses on the same host. Would the postfix on the main IP be able to run scripts that are on individual jails? If not, I'd have to set up a listening postfix in each jail which would accept mail forwarded to it only from the main IP. For outgoing mail, mailman can talk SMTP to a remote mail server. Another point of confusion with jails is that the HTTP interface for mailman would need to be on the public IP, but would need to access the appropriate mailman data that live within jails. So I really think that unless I can do full jails, each with their own SMTP and HTTP daemons on their own public IPs, this would be very complicated to maintain. But I am only guessing here as I don't really know what can and can't be done easily with jails. Cheers, -j ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
