Re: Some suggestions about PKGNG documentation

2014-07-07 Thread Warren Block

On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, Patrick Powell wrote:

On 07/05/14 03:18, Mike Brown wrote:

Warren Block wrote:

The documentation team has a standing offer to either assist with markup
or accept content-only submissions and do the markup on them.

That's good to know. I was under the impression it had to be submitted as
DocBook XML. Thanks!

OK.  Its been 10 years since I lasted looked at the FBSD documents. Nowever, 
I know SGML, XML,

and have written documents in them.

1. Point me to the source of one of the documents as a starting point.
2. Point me to the tools that I need to use to massage the document.
   (There used to be a Documenter's Handbook, is it still around?)

I will take one of these documents as a starting point and then update it.

HOWEVER...  I am hoping that one of the document team will 'proof' this for 
format and content.


The books and articles are in DocBook XML 5.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/index.html

Chapter 9 shows examples of DocBook markup.

Articles are simpler than books.  For example:
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cups/article.xml?revision=44687view=markup
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Re: Some suggestions about PKGNG documentation

2014-07-06 Thread Patrick Powell

On 07/05/14 03:18, Mike Brown wrote:

Warren Block wrote:

The documentation team has a standing offer to either assist with markup
or accept content-only submissions and do the markup on them.

That's good to know. I was under the impression it had to be submitted as
DocBook XML. Thanks!
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OK.  Its been 10 years since I lasted looked at the FBSD documents. 
Nowever, I know SGML, XML,

and have written documents in them.

1. Point me to the source of one of the documents as a starting point.
2. Point me to the tools that I need to use to massage the document.
(There used to be a Documenter's Handbook, is it still around?)

I will take one of these documents as a starting point and then update it.

HOWEVER...  I am hoping that one of the document team will 'proof' this 
for format and content.



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Re: Some suggestions about PKGNG documentation

2014-07-05 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 07:00:00PM -0600, Mike Brown wrote:
 After starting down this road, you may decide it's less of an ordeal just to 
 write something yourself and put it up on your own blog. :/

There are those of us who will do our best to pick up changes and run with
them.

mcl
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Re: Some suggestions about PKGNG documentation

2014-07-05 Thread Mike Brown
Warren Block wrote:
 The documentation team has a standing offer to either assist with markup 
 or accept content-only submissions and do the markup on them.

That's good to know. I was under the impression it had to be submitted as
DocBook XML. Thanks!
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Re: Some suggestions about PKGNG documentation

2014-07-04 Thread Mike Brown
Patrick Powell wrote:
 TUTORIAL:  The Savant's Guide To Ports, Packages, PkgNG
 Try to put a lot of the information about pkgng, repositories,
 etc. in a single place.  I suggest a tutorial format,  rather
 than a user manual format,  with references to the various
 man pages, other documents, etc.

Your suggestions sound good to me.

Unfortunately, it's not like there's a team of tech writers sitting around 
waiting for suggestions of things to write and put into the docs. Rather, 
updating pretty much anything in the documentation -- or the ports for that 
matter -- requires suggesting the actual changes you want in the form of 
patches that replace the existing content with your version.

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc
http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/fdp-primer/book.html 

After starting down this road, you may decide it's less of an ordeal just to 
write something yourself and put it up on your own blog. :/
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Re: Some suggestions about PKGNG documentation

2014-07-04 Thread Warren Block

On Fri, 4 Jul 2014, Mike Brown wrote:


Patrick Powell wrote:

TUTORIAL:  The Savant's Guide To Ports, Packages, PkgNG
Try to put a lot of the information about pkgng, repositories,
etc. in a single place.  I suggest a tutorial format,  rather
than a user manual format,  with references to the various
man pages, other documents, etc.


Your suggestions sound good to me.

Unfortunately, it's not like there's a team of tech writers sitting around
waiting for suggestions of things to write and put into the docs. Rather,
updating pretty much anything in the documentation -- or the ports for that
matter -- requires suggesting the actual changes you want in the form of
patches that replace the existing content with your version.


The documentation team has a standing offer to either assist with markup 
or accept content-only submissions and do the markup on them.  Clear, 
useful instructions are the difficult part to create.  It helps if the 
writer is familiar with existing work like the Handbook, but is not 
required.



After starting down this road, you may decide it's less of an ordeal just to
write something yourself and put it up on your own blog. :/


It's sometimes easier to do that, but fewer people benefit.
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