Re: www/squid's cache dir
Hi Nick! FWIW, I have the squid port installed on hundreds of systems, however I do not use the port defaults and have logs and cache on a separate filesystem mounted in /squid (i.e., /squid/logs, /squid/cache). In my opinion, it makes sense for the port to default to using /var/squid/cache and /var/squid/logs, which I believe is already the case? No, it's not the case for the log dir. In my opinion using /var/cache/squid/... does not make any sense. I'm not exactly sure the intention of /var/cache - my systems only use it for pkg(8), but it seems intended more for a temporary application cache in the traditional sense and not so much for things like a web cache that need to be much larger. In reality, I would think that most users of squid with a reasonably sized cache-dir would need to relocate squid cache and logs to a filesystem of larger size than the average /var, or mount /var/squid elsewhere in which case they would likely want /var/squid of the /var filesystem to be empty. Ok, a small squid installation can live with /var/squid/cache or /var/cache/squid, it doesn't matter. If user wants to use squid extensively he/she does the additional work manually. That's what I understood. Just looked into ubuntu and centos - they use /var/spool/squid as a default cache dir. So as a conclusion I'd got rid of /var/squid/logs. Cache is in /var/squid/cache and logs are in /var/log/squid like right now. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/www-squid-s-cache-dir-tp6025127p6025665.html Sent from the freebsd-ports mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: www/squid's cache dir
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:05 AM, timp tim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick! FWIW, I have the squid port installed on hundreds of systems, however I do not use the port defaults and have logs and cache on a separate filesystem mounted in /squid (i.e., /squid/logs, /squid/cache). In my opinion, it makes sense for the port to default to using /var/squid/cache and /var/squid/logs, which I believe is already the case? No, it's not the case for the log dir. In my opinion using /var/cache/squid/... does not make any sense. I'm not exactly sure the intention of /var/cache - my systems only use it for pkg(8), but it seems intended more for a temporary application cache in the traditional sense and not so much for things like a web cache that need to be much larger. In reality, I would think that most users of squid with a reasonably sized cache-dir would need to relocate squid cache and logs to a filesystem of larger size than the average /var, or mount /var/squid elsewhere in which case they would likely want /var/squid of the /var filesystem to be empty. Ok, a small squid installation can live with /var/squid/cache or /var/cache/squid, it doesn't matter. If user wants to use squid extensively he/she does the additional work manually. That's what I understood. Just looked into ubuntu and centos - they use /var/spool/squid as a default cache dir. So as a conclusion I'd got rid of /var/squid/logs. Cache is in /var/squid/cache and logs are in /var/log/squid like right now. I think that makes perfect sense as well. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/www-squid-s-cache-dir-tp6025127p6025665.html Sent from the freebsd-ports mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: www/squid's cache dir
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:39:39 -0700 (MST)
timp wrote:
Squid can use more than one cache directory, so it makes sense to
have the default cache directory as a sub-directory of squid/.
Additional cache dirs can be created manually by user in /var/squid, I
agree. Like /var/squid/cache{1,2,3} etc whatever.
But these dirs can be created manually in /var/cache too. Like
/var/cache/squid{1,2,3}. I can't see any difference.
If you can't see any difference, what the point's in making a change?
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Re: www/squid's cache dir
Ok, so you don't see the difference too, do you?
The point is get rid of dirs which we don't really need for this port,
and place cache to suitable dir which is made in base system for such
purposes.
Just for order. You think it's bad idea?
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:39:39 -0700 (MST)
timp wrote:
Squid can use more than one cache directory, so it makes sense to
have the default cache directory as a sub-directory of squid/.
Additional cache dirs can be created manually by user in /var/squid, I
agree. Like /var/squid/cache{1,2,3} etc whatever.
But these dirs can be created manually in /var/cache too. Like
/var/cache/squid{1,2,3}. I can't see any difference.
If you can't see any difference, what the point's in making a change?
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Re: www/squid's cache dir
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:25:56 -0700 (MST)
timp wrote:
Ok, so you don't see the difference too, do you?
Actually I do see the difference - I think the current layout is
better. My point was that I can't see any difference isn't a good
argument for making disruptive change.
I think it's obvious that putting multiple caches under one squid
directory is better than having multiple squid directories.
The point is get rid of dirs which we don't really need for this port,
and place cache to suitable dir which is made in base system for such
purposes.
Just for order. You think it's bad idea?
I think it's cleaner to have a default location for squid caches,
rather than just a default cache location. There's an unnecessary
directory to the same extent as there is with a single home directory
under /home.
Whether squid goes under /var or /var/cache is a completely different
issue. In the second case you would need /var/cache/squid/cache.
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:39:39 -0700 (MST)
timp wrote:
Squid can use more than one cache directory, so it makes sense to
have the default cache directory as a sub-directory of squid/.
Additional cache dirs can be created manually by user
in /var/squid, I agree. Like /var/squid/cache{1,2,3} etc whatever.
But these dirs can be created manually in /var/cache too. Like
/var/cache/squid{1,2,3}. I can't see any difference.
Please don't top-post.
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Re: www/squid's cache dir
Ok, so you don't see the difference too, do you? Actually I do see the difference - I think the current layout is better. My point was that I can't see any difference isn't a good argument for making disruptive change. I think it's obvious that putting multiple caches under one squid directory is better than having multiple squid directories. Well, yes, in most cases. The point is get rid of dirs which we don't really need for this port, and place cache to suitable dir which is made in base system for such purposes. Just for order. You think it's bad idea? I think it's cleaner to have a default location for squid caches, rather than just a default cache location. There's an unnecessary directory to the same extent as there is with a single home directory under /home. Whether squid goes under /var or /var/cache is a completely different issue. In the second case you would need /var/cache/squid/cache. I like the /var/cache/squid/cache variant =) It looks too long though. About a half of a year cache dir was hided a bit deeper. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revisionrevision=373442 Is it your commit? Sorry, I can't see your name, just a name of mail list. Do you think logs should be under /var/squid too (now empty /var/squid/logs dir)? Please don't top-post. I'm sorry! I'll do my best. Does anyone have any other opinion? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/www-squid-s-cache-dir-tp6025127p6025493.html Sent from the freebsd-ports mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: www/squid's cache dir
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:33 AM, timp tim...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so you don't see the difference too, do you? Actually I do see the difference - I think the current layout is better. My point was that I can't see any difference isn't a good argument for making disruptive change. I think it's obvious that putting multiple caches under one squid directory is better than having multiple squid directories. Well, yes, in most cases. The point is get rid of dirs which we don't really need for this port, and place cache to suitable dir which is made in base system for such purposes. Just for order. You think it's bad idea? I think it's cleaner to have a default location for squid caches, rather than just a default cache location. There's an unnecessary directory to the same extent as there is with a single home directory under /home. Whether squid goes under /var or /var/cache is a completely different issue. In the second case you would need /var/cache/squid/cache. I like the /var/cache/squid/cache variant =) It looks too long though. About a half of a year cache dir was hided a bit deeper. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revisionrevision=373442 Is it your commit? Sorry, I can't see your name, just a name of mail list. Do you think logs should be under /var/squid too (now empty /var/squid/logs dir)? FWIW, I have the squid port installed on hundreds of systems, however I do not use the port defaults and have logs and cache on a separate filesystem mounted in /squid (i.e., /squid/logs, /squid/cache). In my opinion, it makes sense for the port to default to using /var/squid/cache and /var/squid/logs, which I believe is already the case? In my opinion using /var/cache/squid/... does not make any sense. I'm not exactly sure the intention of /var/cache - my systems only use it for pkg(8), but it seems intended more for a temporary application cache in the traditional sense and not so much for things like a web cache that need to be much larger. In reality, I would think that most users of squid with a reasonably sized cache-dir would need to relocate squid cache and logs to a filesystem of larger size than the average /var, or mount /var/squid elsewhere in which case they would likely want /var/squid of the /var filesystem to be empty. Please don't top-post. I'm sorry! I'll do my best. Does anyone have any other opinion? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/www-squid-s-cache-dir-tp6025127p6025493.html Sent from the freebsd-ports mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: www/squid's cache dir
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:33:33 +0300 Pavel Timofeev wrote: Hi! A question was born in my mind about www/squid port: Do we really need a separate /var/squid dir for 'cache' and always empty 'logs' subdirs? Squid's logs are really in /var/log/squid, not in /var/squid/logs. So I think what if we had cache dir like /var/cache/squid, and got rig of /var/squid at all? What do you think? I can see a case for fixing the Makefile so the log directory is created in the right place. Moving the squid directory itself wouldn't avoid creating /var/squid/logs. Squid can use more than one cache directory, so it makes sense to have the default cache directory as a sub-directory of squid/. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: www/squid's cache dir
I can see a case for fixing the Makefile so the log directory is
created in the right place.
What do you mean? It's already created and used by port in right place -
/var/log/squid.
Moving the squid directory itself wouldn't avoid creating
/var/squid/logs.
And there is no need to move this directory. Removing a few lines from
Makefile and pkg-plist would avoid this. Do I misunderstand something?
Squid can use more than one cache directory, so it makes sense to have the
default cache directory as a sub-directory of squid/.
Additional cache dirs can be created manually by user in /var/squid, I
agree. Like /var/squid/cache{1,2,3} etc whatever.
But these dirs can be created manually in /var/cache too. Like
/var/cache/squid{1,2,3}. I can't see any difference.
Explain, please.
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